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Where is the rest of her family (and I guess the families of the other major campaign staff) currently? I thought at least some of them had moved their children out of the country in advance of the election as a precaution, but I forget the specifics. Granted, if Russia is pro-Lukashenko behind the scenes (I think that's most likely the case--Putin doesn't have much love for Lukashenko, but I doubt he's particularly interested in this sort of regime change and probably won't mind having leverage over him), being elsewhere in Europe isn't the strongest of protections, but eh, whatever, I'm overthinking things. Edit: video coming out suggests that protesters aren't backing down en masse, and cities other than Minsk don't appear much different than the past couple days (i.e. people are still coming out, and police presence there is less). From Gomel: https://twitter.com/lituainianach/status/1293273721109651457 Nexta's Telegram is calling for others to come out in various other cities, but I don't know how much people inside the country can receive that at present (presumably not great--some people clearly have Telegram access, but probably not many since it presumably requires some sort of internet link that doesn't go through a state carrier). Minsk it's really hard to tell what the hell is going on, but it looks like protesters are moving around more, car blockades are fewer, and police have gotten more violent. In particular, the police have apparently started attacking vehicles more; there's footage of vehicles getting shot and their occupants beaten, with one report that security services shot out tires before breaking the glass and dragging people out. Kolesnikova is still in Belarus and isn't encouraging protestors, but she isn't telling them to stop either. The main thrust of the message here isn't directed to them of course (it's to the authorities, asking them to stand down), but she does address them at the end and just asks everyone to be safe and take care of themselves and those around them: https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1293264076362178564 Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 11, 2020 |
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Interesting news and conjecture out of Poland. Apparently Poland was completely sidelined by the EU. Polish PM’s call for an extraordinary EU summit in Belarus was dismissed as arrogant, especially in light of the ongoing breaches of the rule of law in the country. Tikhanovskaya’s exit was negotiated by Lithuanian PM, who has visited Belarus a month ago and is reported to be on talking terms with Luka, under the auspices of the US, who don’t want the situation in Belarus to change drastically. By all indications, Lithuania’s in the drivers sear for the EU on this one.
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:being elsewhere in Europe isn't the strongest of protections, but eh, whatever, I'm overthinking things. She and her family aren't former spies or anything so I wouldn't be too concerned in that regard. Likely their lives wouldn't be at risk in Belarus either but made up charges and certain imprisonment are guaranteed. Her husband is already behind bars expecting a trial for three years in prison.
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Mokotow posted:Interesting news and conjecture out of Poland. Apparently Poland was completely sidelined by the EU. Polish PM’s call for an extraordinary EU summit in Belarus was dismissed as arrogant, especially in light of the ongoing breaches of the rule of law in the country. Tikhanovskaya’s exit was negotiated by Lithuanian PM, who has visited Belarus a month ago and is reported to be on talking terms with Luka, under the auspices of the US, who don’t want the situation in Belarus to change drastically. By all indications, Lithuania’s in the drivers sear for the EU on this one. Forget the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, it's the Grand Duchy of Lithuania time!
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Neo-Lithuania arrives from the future.
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Charliegrs posted:Yeah the authorities are definitely threatening her with something. Probably the life of family members. They have her husband, he is in jail since june.
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The internet has apparently been turned back on! In lighter news, this is neat https://globalvoices.org/2020/08/11/meet-the-artist-embroidering-belaruss-protests/  An embroidery version of the DJ protest! Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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There was the first officially confirmed case of the police using live ammunition against protesters.Ministry of Internal Affairs posted:In Brest, police officers were attacked by a group of aggressive citizens with pieces of metal rebar in their hands. Preemptive shots up did not stop them. In order to protect the life and health of the law enforcement personnel, they had to shoot to kill. One of the attackers was injured. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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A Lithuanian friend just informed me the Lithuanian government refused to accept the results of the election in Belarus.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:A Lithuanian friend just informed me the Lithuanian government refused to accept the results of the election in Belarus.
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Also, sanctions against Lukashenko and they are going to address the EU.
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Things picked up much earlier today. Looks like mostly women out protesting in white with flowers, OMON seems to be at a loss what to do. Edit: just as I wrote this... https://twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/status/1293540275730755584?s=21 https://twitter.com/positivehater1/status/1293551590016724998?s=21 Mokotow fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 15:10
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1293573960458801153 https://twitter.com/user/status/1293483006934605824 I really dont know how to comment it.
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My favorite today in this gloom. Guy gets released by crowd, women in white surround riot cops and shower them with flowers. https://twitter.com/romanvillaitaly/status/1293591256300490760?s=21
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Seeing more of this today. https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1293622212470210562
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Seeing more of this today. much less effective than joining the protestors in uniform I highly doubt they'll follow through if really ordered to kill the demonstrators
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Dunno, it'd be odd to join protesters in uniform? I think it makes sense that defectors would view their insignia and uniforms as a statement that they're part of the administration and remain in its service, which isn't the message in those videos. A couple things like this coming out though, where groups or individual OMON officers on the street are just leaving protesters be after arriving, or talking with them peacefully: https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1293633079387590656
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Belarusian riot cop to an arrested Russian journalist: “We're just waiting for you to start burning something on the streets. And then we will start shooting at you, we have an order to do so. There once was a great country — the Soviet Union, and because of faggots like you, it died. Because no one put you in place on time. If you [Russians] think that you have successfully implanted your Tikhanovskaya here, you were tricked by her. You should know that you will not succeed in orchestrating a second Ukraine, we will not allow Belarus to become part of Russia.” The rest (in Russian): https://www.znak.com/2020-08-12/prprpl What political ideology is this.
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Necronormiecon posted:Belarusian riot cop to an arrested Russian journalist: Something attacking democratic protestors AND raging at Russia would I guess be Lukashenkoism. I'd love to see how this fits into the international fantasy football logistics for tankies.
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I also understand sonic weapons were going to be used or are being used. Does anyone know if this is the case?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I also understand sonic weapons were going to be used or are being used. Does anyone know if this is the case? I have not seen a single image out of hundreds I’ve seen in the last 4 days that would indicate anything of the sort.
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Necronormiecon posted:Belarusian riot cop to an arrested Russian journalist: 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I also understand sonic weapons were going to be used or are being used. Does anyone know if this is the case? I've seen this on telegram, but the way it was described, it was like a sonic tank from Dune mixed with God know what other futuristic technology that also emits high frequency light that causes headaches (???), and my guess is the whole thing was probably fake. With the amount of information coming in, it's an unfortunate consequence that the few people responsible for several biggest telegram channels just can't moderate everything properly.
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Paladinus posted:I've seen this on telegram, but the way it was described, it was like a sonic tank from Dune mixed with God know what other futuristic technology that also emits high frequency light that causes headaches (???), and my guess is the whole thing was probably fake. With the amount of information coming in, it's an unfortunate consequence that the few people responsible for several biggest telegram channels just can't moderate everything properly. Good to know. They are terrible and unfortunately have been used in the US.
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Necronormiecon posted:What political ideology is this. Nationalism is mind poison.
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https://twitter.com/cuestickGenius/status/1293665369819877376?s=19 can someone expand on the english description of this video? is it not normal for Police in Belarus to carry live ammunition?
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I don't know about police, but these look like army regulars. They get issued ammunition when deployed, which is what this looks like.
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not a pkm belt no lol, you see cops with aks or more accurately those Kalashnikov sub machine guns, but I've never seen them with a machine gun.
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Things got pretty terrifying, one cop in Brest already fired his gun at the protesters and there are several instances of people running over the police with cars.
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Necronormiecon posted:Belarusian riot cop to an arrested Russian journalist: Authoritarian conspiracism. Everyone I don't like is in cahoots with each other with the goal of sowing chaos and destroying the natural order of glorious $COUNTRY_NAME. If it seems like they're opposed it just proves how devious they are and how everything is a false flag provocation.
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No good endgame here, sounds like the police were just told to beat the CIA agents into submission: https://mobile.twitter.com/Lillyfloria/status/1293608225145868288 One of the people caught on Sunday wasn't given any food and kept in an overcrowded cell for three days. BTW, this is a great opportunity to make a list of "anti-imperialists" who deserve their own lamp post. any good cspam threads defending Luka?
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Takes real courage to do that. Surprised they didn't come with doctors notice for 3 months time off work due to a sudden bout of blue flu.
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I mean, Belarus is probably a decent approximation of what the Soviet Union would have looked like today if it had survived in some form instead of becoming Russia, especially if the conservative (in relation to reforming/staying with the Soviet system) hardliners in the Party and the armed forces had managed to oust Gorbachev and/or Yeltsin. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Lots of factories, including MA3, have walked out today. Protesters out on the street basically since before noon. EU ambassadors laid flowers on the spot where a protester was killed. Evening convoy of anti-riot troops, as every day, is making its way into Minsk.
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Mokotow posted:Lots of factories, including MA3, have walked out today. Protesters out on the street basically since before noon. EU ambassadors laid flowers on the spot where a protester was killed. Evening convoy of anti-riot troops, as every day, is making its way into Minsk. What's unprecedented is that mayors and other officials are willing to speak to protesters directly. Zhodino's (BelAZ hometown) mayor reluctantly promised to visit today's protest to make sure that neither the police or the protesters escalate the situation.
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EU Belarus ambassadors, laying flowers where protester was killed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIgGyA-P1Es
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Oddly enough his case was dismissed by the judge and he was released. They tried him for inciting illigal mass action by his post about quitting on instagram. I would think they'd make an example of him. There was also a number of government journalists quitting and 2 beurocrats from president administration. Most notable of whom is Dmitriy Semchenko, the head of presidents journalists pool.
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