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darkwasthenight posted:Saw the frozen goods theory, yeah. I haven't seen anything on how long it can remain infectious at that kind of temp but surely that stuff must have been in transit for days if not weeks? And at every step along the way it was being transferred by human hands. Plus yeah virus can last a while in cold storage (really cold will kill it, but normal cold storage Temps usually wont)
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this is the third time i've heard of that frozen foods have been a source of infection. China Says Frozen Chicken Wings from Brazil Test Positive for Virus quote:Consumers in the Chinese city of Shenzhen have been urged to exercise caution when buying imported frozen food after a surface sample of chicken wings from Brazil tested positive for coronavirus, according to a statement from the local government. It definitely seems to be a thing that happens.
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What’s so special about frozen surfaces that the virus readily transmits to and from them, whereas surfaces at room temperature don’t seem to play any significant role in transmission? Is it a matter of the surface transmission being normally a minor factor when compared to cough-in-your-face transmission, and only becomes noticeable when there is no human to human contact?
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I would be more likely to believe it came with the people moving the frozen items across borders than it clinging to the frozen items themselves. Correlation not implying causation and all
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Aug 13, 2020 13:03
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Note that one of the cases had live virus on the chicken itself, not the packaging.
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HerStuddMuffin posted:What’s so special about frozen surfaces that the virus readily transmits to and from them, whereas surfaces at room temperature don’t seem to play any significant role in transmission? Is it a matter of the surface transmission being normally a minor factor when compared to cough-in-your-face transmission, and only becomes noticeable when there is no human to human contact? Low temperatures slow down all sorts of chemical and biological processes, including some of the ones that would normally cause virions to degrade and become non-viable. If a room-temperature surface still has viable virus on it, then airborne droplets will still contain viable virus, so if you're in a position to touch the surface you've probably already breathed it in. That's not true if the surface is cold enough to preserve the virus for longer.
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Aug 13, 2020 13:12
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Lol if Brazil is sending some roni back to China
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Our government (Finland) continues to be a bunch of spineless wimps. They have now given a "recommendation" to wear a mask in public spaces throughout the country. It's not mandatory, they just think you should do so. Much like every other recommendation, it is going to have zero loving effect. I was out and about today and saw two masks (one in the mirror), and I'm sure I won't see too many more tomorrow.
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they were right about people not knowing how to properly wear masks though. half the people i see dont realize it goes over your nose too. or they dont like to do it.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:they were right about people not knowing how to properly wear masks though. half the people i see dont realize it goes over your nose too. or they dont like to do it. Maybe they were shopping at 7-Eleven?  https://twitter.com/7ElevenAus/status/1293745623313784834
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I think the issue with coronavirus on the surface of Frozen foods, is not as big as a problem as it sounds, initially. You can't get covid-19, by eating it. Enzymes, acids, and general lack of receptors in the digestive tract make it pretty much impossible. There's never been a confirmed case of coronavirus transmission by food consumption. Still, you can always get it on your hands, and then spread it around, but one would hope after touching raw chicken, you're going to wash your drat hands, anyway. on a separate note, I live in a college town in Connecticut, and it looks like we're raring up for a huge Spike and transmissions. UConn is doing everything it can, it seems, including a mandatory Quarantine for 2 weeks, and mandatory testing... But I cannot imagine they're not going to get a spike. whereas before, I had no problem going out to get takeout, or even go to the grocery store, with all those new students there, it sounds increasingly dicey. I've taken to wearing a k n95 mask with a cloth mask over it, but I'm scared that too many people with uncertain health are going to be in the area. Looks like I'm going back to crappy instacart orders, for the next two months.
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Doggles posted:Maybe they were shopping at 7-Eleven? Touching their face and then of course touching stuff in the store, which, if they're infected, is a great way to spread covid face-juices. Isn't facial recognition also horribly flawed anyway?
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1293917275829960704Zugzwang posted:Isn't facial recognition also horribly flawed anyway? in a moral sense entirely
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null_pointer posted:I think the issue with coronavirus on the surface of Frozen foods, is not as big as a problem as it sounds, initially. You can't get covid-19, by eating it. Enzymes, acids, and general lack of receptors in the digestive tract make it pretty much impossible. There's never been a confirmed case of coronavirus transmission by food consumption. cite your sources
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Aug 13, 2020 15:32
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Polio Vax Scene posted:cite your sources Okie dokie. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/food-and-COVID-19.html unpacked robinhood posted:Why are people going to school in early august anyway everyone is quarantined in their room, or outside only, for 3 days. They could test it on the first day, quarantine until they get the results back. It seems about as smart as you can do it, while still doing something dumb.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:36
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null_pointer posted:I think the issue with coronavirus on the surface of Frozen foods, is not as big as a problem as it sounds, initially. You can't get covid-19, by eating it. Enzymes, acids, and general lack of receptors in the digestive tract make it pretty much impossible. There's never been a confirmed case of coronavirus transmission by food consumption. Breathing and eating share a tube. Lots of stuff hasn’t been confirmed because this pandemic isn’t unfolding in a glove box. There are confounding variables everywhere. Is food as significant a vector as air? Clearly not. Is it more significant than doorknobs and keypads? Maybe.
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yeah, maybe I shouldn't be as comfortable with eating food, as I should be... There are some things that I just have to let go, otherwise I'm going to go completely insane. Going out to get a goddamn veggie wrap, or Dunkin Donuts, is one of the few times I can actually get out of the house.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:39
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Couldn't get a pic or video while driving but the main road leading to our hospital has the sides all filled up with huge middle aged diabetic white women brandishing giant "COVID HOAX" and "VIRUS GOVERNMENT CONTROL" etc etc. Looks like its finally broken people even near Chicago.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:40
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Fenarisk posted:the main road leading to our hospital has the sides all filled up with huge middle aged diabetic white women brandishing giant "COVID HOAX" and "VIRUS GOVERNMENT CONTROL" etc etc. This rules lmao
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Aug 13, 2020 15:46
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This is uhhhh I'm not a scientist but this seems like really bad news
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Aug 13, 2020 15:47
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Another Bill posted:This is uhhhh I'm not a scientist but this seems like really bad news it's really not really news, it was clear since February. it's just not being communicated by people in powers because the implications cripple the economy
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Aug 13, 2020 15:49
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I mean, loving Brian Kemp learned about the role of asymptomatic carriers on the second of April, and 14/80 isn’t that far off the 20/80 rule.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:53
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people are at their most infectious right before and after they start feeling symptoms (if they are not asymptomatic) so this is fairly predictable, but yes i don't think people have really understood it yet
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Aug 13, 2020 16:02
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I'm currently seeing that asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission demonstrated right now. Working a job where we have daily screening for symptoms before work, most everyone is wearing KN95's all day, people are distancing, most of us get tested 3 times per week and others every day and the positives are still trickling in. All it takes is one person to get it and be slightly lax about ppe. gently caress 2020 gently caress covid
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Aug 13, 2020 16:08
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Mozi posted:people are at their most infectious right before and after they start feeling symptoms (if they are not asymptomatic) so this is fairly predictable, but yes i don't think people have really understood it yet Up where I am in Toronto they're calling for at home self evaluations by parents before you send your kids to school. This seems to indicate that these are largely useless in controlling the spread, nevermind all the parents who will send their kids to school sick anyways because the virus isn't real / its just the flu bro / I have an important meeting at work today. I'm so glad we're remote learning our kids this year.
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Der Shovel posted:Our government (Finland) continues to be a bunch of spineless wimps. They have now given a "recommendation" to wear a mask in public spaces throughout the country. It's not mandatory, they just think you should do so. Lol you're still leaps and bounds ahead of us in the U.S. because our president is a manchild who has soupbrained supporters wielding positions of power
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Another Bill posted:Up where I am in Toronto they're calling for at home self evaluations by parents before you send your kids to school. “Hmm, let’s see.” “Yup, my kid still has a human body susceptible to the pestilence stalking the land.”
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Aug 13, 2020 16:17
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Platystemon posted:Breathing and eating share a tube. Still seems like low odds, but they’d still want to monitor and tamp down ways the virus gets into otherwise clean countries. 1/1,000,000 odds is low for an individual until you take 1,000,000 dice rolls across a country. Mithaldu posted:it's really not really news, it was clear since February. I thought viruses working this way was common knowledge but douchebags refusing to wear masks because “I don’t feel sick” keep proving me wrong.
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Mithaldu posted:it's really not really news, it was clear since February. Ahh yes, crippling the economy through mandatory mask-wearing.
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Spandex Bonerlord posted:Ahh yes, crippling the economy through mandatory mask-wearing. It's not the masks, it's the paranoia over the fact that literally everyone around you can spread it to you without warning and you can spread it to others in ignorance. That kind of cripples consumer purchases because no one wants to go out and buy things, go into indoor spaces with others, or even be around others period. So people spend less money and a LOT of businesses fail. For example, the food industry is suffering right now even with the mass stupidity in America.
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Der Shovel posted:Our government (Finland) continues to be a bunch of spineless wimps. They have now given a "recommendation" to wear a mask in public spaces throughout the country. It's not mandatory, they just think you should do so. Well, at least they managed to say the parts "you should wear a mask in public transportation" and "you should wear a mask when you cannot be certain that you can keep the 2m distance". This was actually more than what I was expecting from them.
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Yaaaaaay Blockbuster "sleepover"! https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/445771...10078&irparam1=
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Gotta be a resident of deschutes county though so it doesn't exactly sound that appealing as you can already go there normally and why bother paying to go sit in the blockbuster and watch a movie instead of your own place.
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it is pretty weird going in there though. cheapest form of time travel there is, then you can go next door to papa Murphy's and get a take and bake
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Der Kyhe posted:"you should wear a mask when you cannot be certain that you can keep the 2m distance". God knows just having people say this isn't a given right now but I see this everywhere and it drives me batty. Let me rephrase it with different preventive measures: "you should wear a condom when you cannot be certain that your partner is on birth control" It's ludicrous. You can do both! There is nothing stopping you from doing both whenever possible and everyone is safer for it! It's not an either or thing! 
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FoolyCharged posted:God knows just having people say this isn't a given right now but I see this everywhere and it drives me batty. Let me rephrase it with different preventive measures: Lets put it this way: it allows schools and universities to enforce mask rules because you cannot be certain that people are, in fact, always at least 2m from you in the classrooms and laboratories.
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