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Skyarb posted:Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity. I'm doing quite a bit but not within the normal framework because the normal framework is inherently resistant to change. fair enough, I didn't need to get that nasty
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SKULL.GIF posted:interesting timing/phrasing on this Daou tweet given CSPAM's new subtitle Peter has made so much progress. he's turning into a true Samurai of Online.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:51
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Pingui posted:Why would anybody ever listen to this idiot? - he doesn't seem like he understands Biden, Bernie, the DNC, voters, material conditions or well... politics as a whole really. Vaush is cool and good 90% of the time. He's doing the 'harm reduction' angle on Biden, which is dumb, but even good lefties aren't perfect 100% of the time. I haven't run into any other views of his that are all that questionable, thankfully.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:52
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Vitamin P posted:Vaush is generally good, he's just obnoxiously bad at making his key point that electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards. Which is still significantly better than the LARPing twats itt who proudly boast about being above it all donchkno. Electoralism is a tool yes but thinking you can push Biden or Harris (who went from supporting M4A to not supporting M4A) left is frankly delusional. I'm not going to yell at someone voting for Biden in a swing state because they feel it's harm reduction or whatever, but I don't live in a swing state. My vote for president is purely virtue signalling and I'm not going to vote for someone like Biden. Trump is much less likely to start another war than a Biden/Harris admin will, as insane as that sounds.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:52
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Professorjuggalo posted:president Biden depresses any leftist movement for a decade, and then the GOP come back with president Tom cotton and VP kid rock (similar to the Obama-trump transition) What leftist movement is that again mate? Only relevant one in the last 30 loving years was built around Sanders, explain where on earth the post-electoralism movement is and why it's hurt more by Biden than Trump without donkey brain hypothetical accelerationism?
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Aug 13, 2020 22:53
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Didn't Vaush also do some sex pest stuff last year? I remember Breadtube cancelled him for a time, but he was aggressively defending himself at the time (instead of half apologizing and going silent).
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Aug 13, 2020 22:54
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spacemang_spliff posted:I've watched a few of his videos. I was going to say "fair enough", because I really don't know the guy at all, besides the video you posted to mock him. But then Vitamin P posted that he is "generally good" and now I feel less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. Vitamin P posted:Vaush is generally good, he's just obnoxiously bad at making his key point that electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards. Which is still significantly better than the LARPing twats itt who proudly boast about being above it all donchkno. This is an absurd statement.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:54
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Biden is the accelerationist pick and will get us much closer to an American collapse and more converts to leftism Electoralism is dead but having allies in government is still useful (c.f. Sawant in Seattle), please vote for Scarane and Markey
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Aug 13, 2020 22:55
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The dems doing something about the post office yet or just gushing more about kamala
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Aug 13, 2020 22:56
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Vitamin P posted:Vaush is generally good, he's just obnoxiously bad at making his key point that electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards. Which is still significantly better than the LARPing twats itt who proudly boast about being above it all donchkno. wtf is "lefty cucked."
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Aug 13, 2020 22:58
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Euphoriaphone posted:Didn't Vaush also do some sex pest stuff last year? I remember Breadtube cancelled him for a time, but he was aggressively defending himself at the time (instead of half apologizing and going silent). He admitted he was creepy with some gamergirl he was friends with and apologized for it. I think it was mostly unwanted dirty chat but I'm not 100% sure, he talked about it in one of his videos.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:59
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Vitamin P posted:I am a donkey brain 
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Vitamin P posted:Vaush is generally good, he's just obnoxiously bad at making his key point that electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards. Which is still significantly better than the LARPing twats itt who proudly boast about being above it all donchkno. The issue is that Vaush (and seemingly you as well judging from this post) don't have a good understanding of how politics impacts society. Something is deeply wrong if someone believes that there's some huge fundamental difference between the outcome of a Biden presidency and a Trump one, and it's actually pretty easy to imagine how a Biden presidency could end up worse in various ways. Probably the biggest and most obvious point is that a Biden presidency essentially guarantees no left-wing power through electoralism for at least the next 8 years. While the chance is low, there's at least a non-zero chance of electing a different Democrat in 2024. My personal feelings differ somewhat from this*, but it's still one of several obvious reasons to think that the Biden/Trump choice isn't remotely black/white. I think the key thing separating people like Vaush from people with more substantive left-wing politics is that he (and others like him) still fundamentally view US politics through a partisan lens. They don't start from looking at the actual sources of harm/inequality (which inevitably leads one to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority stems from bipartisan consensus), and instead start from looking at each party and compiling cherry-picked lists of the things they've done (which is basically the sort of thinking the media will guide you to). * I think that if Trump is reelected, the vast majority of Democrats will quickly cling to voter suppression (which will obviously be a real problem) and they'll probably just go with another lovely Democrat in 2024. The alternative isn't much (or any) better, though; Biden will likely make many people lose faith in the Democratic Party, but that will likely just translate to previous Democratic voters not voting and the far right ascending.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:00
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Like Vaush is good if he stops some kid from going down the right wing to nazi youtube rabbit hole. But if you're earnestly arguing that voting Biden is praxis I'm going to make fun of you in the succ zone
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Aug 13, 2020 23:01
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Vitamin P posted:What leftist movement is that again mate? Only relevant one in the last 30 loving years was built around Sanders, explain where on earth the post-electoralism movement is and why it's hurt more by Biden than Trump without donkey brain hypothetical accelerationism? the occupy movement didn’t happen?I bet any Libyan would rather have had Romney instead of obummer Professorjuggalo has issued a correction as of 23:03 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Aug 13, 2020 23:01
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some semi-literate morons posted:vaush read a loving book, or even a long-form article if you watch braindead youtube/twitch personalities to educate yourself you aren't equipped to have a voice and need to sit back down at the kiddie table
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Aug 13, 2020 23:02
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Vitamin P posted:What leftist movement is that again mate? Only relevant one in the last 30 loving years was built around Sanders, explain where on earth the post-electoralism movement is and why it's hurt more by Biden than Trump without donkey brain hypothetical accelerationism? 30 years is a long time and the "Left" did have victories even in that period of capitalist ascendency Red for Ed had wildcat strikes win in deep red states George Floyd protests were some of the biggest protests in US history The immigration movement's mass protests defeated the Sensenbrenner Bill in 2005 Gay marriage was won largely because the LGBTQ movement refused to demobilize when Obama won
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Aug 13, 2020 23:03
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Pingui posted:I was going to say "fair enough", because I really don't know the guy at all, besides the video you posted to mock him. But then Vitamin P posted that he is "generally good" and now I feel less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. I'm a CIA funded psy-op poster employed to weaken the left so congrats for not falling into my trap your brain is huge. Pingui posted:This is an absurd statement. 'electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards.' At some point a revolutionary movement will come into conflict with the established system, if there are sympathetic elements within the established system then that significantly benefits the revolutionaries because it eases the potential transition. Simple point, irrefutable, would love to see a counter argument that more systemic tension is better actually? though so have at it Electoralism is also legitimising to a movement, it's a useful recruiting tool, its accessible to first timers, there's no reason to not use electoralism if you want to bring people on board. It has an extra benefit that surrendering it means a more hostile government will be in power that will be more inclined to physically crush your hypothetical revolutionary movement.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:10
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SKULL.GIF posted:Biden is the accelerationist pick and will get us much closer to an American collapse and more converts to leftism Yeah I really don’t know what happens to the Dems after Biden gets in and nothing gets fixed. How long does the residual Trump hate sustain them.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:13
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Raccooon posted:Yeah I really don’t know what happens to the Dems after Biden gets in and nothing gets fixed. How long does the residual Trump hate sustain them. They'll just blame it all on Republican obstruction, you know this, that's what they did with Obama. They're not going to radicalize under Biden, they will believe he's trying his best to fix the country.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:14
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spacemang_spliff posted:Like Vaush is good if he stops some kid from going down the right wing to nazi youtube rabbit hole. As you should. Calling people out for bad takes is good, I'm just tired of folks going LIBERAL!!!!! when someone isn't 100% purethought. Wheeee posted:read a loving book, or even a long-form article And then there's this baffling take
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Wheeee posted:read a loving book, or even a long-form article Just start beginning your posts with "what's up guys, it's me [username]" to get their brains to click on
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Atrocious Joe posted:wtf is "lefty cucked." It's the performative thing that someone like Vaush who has a demographic he's beholden to will just not address issues that go against lefty hivemind orthodoxy, even if it requires making bad/dishonest arguments.
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Ytlaya posted:Probably the biggest and most obvious point is that a Biden presidency essentially guarantees no left-wing power through electoralism for at least the next 8 years. While the chance is low, there's at least a non-zero chance of electing a different Democrat in 2024. My personal feelings differ somewhat from this*, but it's still one of several obvious reasons to think that the Biden/Trump choice isn't remotely black/white. Clinging to voter suppression is probably correct as far as the upper echelon of the dems goes, but they would at least nominally stay on the left, while the material conditions degradation [pick a valid doomer type] would move the working class towards the left. My biggest fear is that a Biden presidency would placate the VBNMW contingent completely and make them even more actively antagonistic towards the left, while the working class is offered no alternative but the right, unless they go looking for it themselves.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:16
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Pingui posted:My biggest fear is that a Biden presidency would placate the VBNMW contingent completely and make them even more actively antagonistic towards the left, while the working class is offered no alternative but the right, unless they go looking for it themselves. Bingo.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:17
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Aug 13, 2020 23:19
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WampaLord posted:They'll just blame it all on Republican obstruction, you know this, that's what they did with Obama. Guess I am still thinking this can’t go on forever. How long can we just keep going back and forth with no political changes. But history is littered with empires getting stuck in that for decades or longer. Raccooon has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Aug 13, 2020 23:20
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uber_stoat posted:Peter has made so much progress. he's turning into a true Samurai of Online. he's a ronin now, right? technically?
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Aug 13, 2020 23:22
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:Woah this kinda loving rules Lol the music in the first part is Nine Inch Nails, specifically the song that got sampled in Old Town Road.
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Aug 13, 2020 23:22
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i thunk voting; good
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Aug 13, 2020 23:25
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Nucleic Acids posted:It’s just loving incredible how brazen they’re being about this and the Democrats are doing nothing to stop them. Can they do anything besides appeal to the supreme court?
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Aug 13, 2020 23:26
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Raccooon posted:Guess I am still thinking this can’t go on forever. How long can we just keep going back and forth with no political changes. Yes, the decline of America will take a long long time. Or maybe it won't! We'll see!
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Aug 13, 2020 23:28
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Vitamin P posted:I'm a CIA funded psy-op poster employed to weaken the left so congrats for not falling into my trap your brain is huge. Vitamin P posted:'electoralism is an extremely important tool even if you think revolutionary methods are the only useful path forwards.'
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Aug 13, 2020 23:31
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SKULL.GIF posted:interesting timing/phrasing on this Daou tweet given CSPAM's new subtitle drat, he actually found the ultimate power on his own 
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Aug 13, 2020 23:32
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I cant vote for joe until kamala condemns the khive
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Atrocious Joe posted:I hope if Biden wins it destroys the Democratic party I don't get the feeling that this will happen, but it will certainly put a lot of spoiled produce back into stock
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Wheeee posted:Mark Fisher discovered one weird trick to escape capitalist realism and doctors HATE it! lol
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