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I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

LionArcher posted:

Apple has amazing products and somewhat ethical philosophy decisions

Apple uses factories in China that are so brutal that people commit suicide on the job.

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RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

Tier List of lovely Things Corporations Do:

Try To Get Kids To Support Their Lawsuit

Bribe Politicians To Pass Laws That Actively Benefit Your Company And Allow You To Violate Labor Practices (Human Trafficking) And Continually Evade Anti-Trust Measures





Once again, whether or not you read this as worst-to-best or best-to-worst is the real test

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010



EPIC makes games.

most of them involve borderline casino like schemes to get as much money as they can from the users. in terms of Fortnite, it's tailor made to pressure kids to buy as many skins as you can.

Apple releases (in general) premium computer products (their crappy keyboards from 2016 to 2019 being a clear exception) that in general just work for creative design work, creation in general, that sort of thing. They are dragging a lot of other computer companies to be greener, are pro LBGTQ rights, and personal protection privacy (china excluded). They also have hugely pushed products to be more inclusive (their accessibility options are getting low key better every year) and the Apple Watch has literally saved thousands of lives (including my own fathers).

They're also a huge freaking company and I feel gross rooting for one giant company over the other. But yes, they are a better company than EPIC.

And I say that as someone that till about three months ago played Fortnite a ton. We're talking 300 + total hours I'm guessing over two and a half years. It was Social time with friends and family, (till the game just started to get worse and worse).

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

I said come in! posted:

Apple uses factories in China that are so brutal that they installed a special net to prevent people commiting suicide on the job.

Also the same factories now employ forced Uighur labour

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

LionArcher posted:

EPIC makes games.

Yeah and Apple literally employs slave labor

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

distancing myself from the guy who actually likes apple

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

How does apple watch save lives?

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


I said come in! posted:

Apple uses factories in China that are so brutal that people commit suicide on the job.

used too. I believe conditions were improved and they are quickly trying to build more factors outside of China. I'm not saying their saints. No large company is. But of the large ones, they are better than freaking EPIC games.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

big nintendo fan here

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Stux posted:

distancing myself from the guy who actually likes apple
welcome to the android crew

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

LionArcher posted:

used too. I believe conditions were improved and they are quickly trying to build more factors outside of China. I'm not saying their saints. No large company is. But of the large ones, they are better than freaking EPIC games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlr2ZMTc52E

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Jay Rust posted:

How does apple watch save lives?

Early detection of a fibs, among other Irregular heart beats and fall detection. (A fibs in my dads case).

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

LionArcher posted:

used too. I believe conditions were improved and they are quickly trying to build more factors outside of China. I'm not saying their saints. No large company is. But of the large ones, they are better than freaking EPIC games.

Yeah, people used to commit suicide on the job, until they installed suicide nets and now the rate is way down. Non-Chinese factories are pretty explicitly a pit-stop for a product that is 95% completed to be packaged so that the product is no longer "Made In China" so they can avoid not just the social stigma, but also the tariffs.

Like listen. Fortnite gambling is bad. We know. But you are W R O N G if you think Apple have any form of ethical code. They are one of the worst companies of all time

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Pressuring first-world kids to spend their parents' money on junk IS worse than slave labour, true true

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


I said come in! posted:

Apple uses factories in China that are so brutal that people commit suicide on the job.

So are you posting this on an iPhone? What clothes are you wearing? We live in a post scarcity lovely Capitalist society In a first world country. (I'm assuming you're in the USA) There's basically no such thing as ethical consumption or devices in this day and age. Again, I feel gross defending apple,And I'm not saying they're good, just that they are better than freaking epic games.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

and yet you participate in society, curious

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

LionArcher posted:

So are you posting this on an iPhone? What clothes are you wearing? We live in a post scarcity lovely Capitalist society In a first world country. (I'm assuming you're in the USA) There's basically no such thing as ethical consumption or devices in this day and age. Again, I feel gross defending apple,And I'm not saying they're good, just that they are better than freaking epic games.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



LionArcher posted:

china excluded

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


"No ethical consumption" means the entire premise of trying to determine which multinational corporation is more or less evil than the other based on one's personal buying habits is a pointless exercise, not "Apple rules Epic drools."

Lightningproof
Feb 23, 2011

Those Google guys seem pretty cool though.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

Also if you think that their USA labor practices are any better you are delusional. They do the thing where they partner with foreign human trafficking depots who charge people who want to work in the USA a ton of fees (tens of thousands of US dollars) and then fly them to the USA where they're forced to live under watch in a group dormitory, aren't allowed to leave the house except to work, and get their wages garnished by the slavers. Look up ANYTHING about H1B visas - Apple employs TONS of these people. Here's a podcast episode about the way these labor exploitation companies work in regards to a specific case in Maryland, but know that Apple is using these same methods to get a HUGE number of employees

https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/listen-i-wanted-quar-gossip-too

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010



Yes, yes, throw the easy punch when that's not what I'm saying. I'm pushing back on saying Apple is worse than Epic. If you want Apple to improve and have suggestions, I'm all for it. I'm saying in the current conversation about Apple vs Epic, Epic using dumb propaganda and trying to get kids involved is grosser than Apple maybe charging all developers too much to be on their platform. That's freaking it.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

I said come in! posted:

Apple uses factories in China that are so brutal that people commit suicide on the job.

Might wanna look at the other devices being made at those factories.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Might wanna look at the other devices being made at those factories.

Yep, Nintendo is among them.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

LionArcher posted:

Yes, yes, throw the easy punch when that's not what I'm saying. I'm pushing back on saying Apple is worse than Epic. If you want Apple to improve and have suggestions, I'm all for it. I'm saying in the current conversation about Apple vs Epic, Epic using dumb propaganda and trying to get kids involved is grosser than Apple maybe charging all developers too much to be on their platform. That's freaking it.

You are the most delusional person I've ever encountered

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

LionArcher posted:

If you want Apple to improve and have suggestions, I'm all for it.

Unless you can prove to me you are Tim Cook, this is a waste of time.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


RazzleDazzleHour posted:

You are the most delusional person I've ever encountered

Well have a great day. Congrats on being mean on the Internet in the year 2020. I'm done talking about this.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

I said come in! posted:

Yep, Nintendo is among them.

Along with two other major console makers.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
The only ethical console is OUYA

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

LionArcher posted:

Well have a great day. Congrats on being mean on the Internet in the year 2020. I'm done talking about this.

please also be done talking about everything else

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Lightningproof posted:

Those Google guys seem pretty cool though.

Speaking of.

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1294043516612444160

What a wild west day.

FZeroRacer
Apr 8, 2009
the solution is to defend neither companies because Apple and Epic are both trashpiles whose entire goal is to be as anti-consumer as possible while siphoning money from people using whatever methods available

ideally this lawsuit would result in both companies burning to the ground but unfortunately we don't live in a just world. just one where epic thinks invoking 1984 over less scrooge mcduck money in tyool2020 is a smart and rational idea

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Beginning to think Epic did not think this through very far.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


The Plan: we get ourselves banned from every platform that's not EGS.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

what if i want epic to lose because third party apps not being able to install and third party storefronts not existing is a feature to me but i also think apple are a garbag e company that take too much money on their store front. where does that put me.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Stux posted:

what if i want epic to lose because third party apps not being able to install and third party storefronts not existing is a feature to me but i also think apple are a garbag e company that take too much money on their store front. where does that put me.

this is what i believe is called both sidesism and unfortunately there is no cure.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Stux posted:

what if i want epic to lose because third party apps not being able to install and third party storefronts not existing is a feature to me but i also think apple are a garbag e company that take too much money on their store front. where does that put me.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Stux posted:

what if i want epic to lose because third party apps not being able to install and third party storefronts not existing is a feature to me but i also think apple are a garbag e company that take too much money on their store front. where does that put me.
stux in the middle

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

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Stux posted:

what if i want epic to lose because third party apps not being able to install and third party storefronts not existing is a feature to me but i also think apple are a garbag e company that take too much money on their store front. where does that put me.


these are in no way mutually exclusive

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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I wonder how much Epic actually makes from the mobile market. It's obviously the most accessible method to play the Fortnites, but it's also objectively the worst. I tried it once and it's basically unplayable and I can't imagine anyone surviving any sort of encounter on it.

Also wondering if Epic is actually making any money from its bad store. I can't be the only one who uses it solely to get and install the games they give away.

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