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I just started playing the new games and have done the first three campaign missions. If A Gilded Cage is considered a low point then I have high hopes! Really enjoyed all three so far, even if they sometimes feel overwhelming.
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Aug 14, 2020 03:03
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Hedgehog Pie posted:If A Gilded Cage is considered a low point 
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Aug 14, 2020 03:22
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Colorado is quite literally a low point. Club 27 is mostly fun to explore and get around and has a lot of cool mission stories, it's just a bit short on access routes where it really matters. Gilded Cage's main issue is just how far apart the targets are, it feels like two separate levels joined at the corner.
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Aug 14, 2020 03:26
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I just started playing the new games and have done the first three campaign missions. If A Gilded Cage is considered a low point then I have high hopes! Really enjoyed all three so far, even if they sometimes feel overwhelming. I like Gilded Cage fine Pilchenstein posted:It's not? Club 27 is the low point What? Club 27 is also fine. The low point is DEFINITELY Freedom Fighters  Dabir posted:Colorado is quite literally a low point. Correct Dabir posted:Gilded Cage's main issue is just how far apart the targets are, it feels like two separate levels joined at the corner. I think that's okay though? Two separate assassinations is kinda a fun twist. And there are ways to manipulate events to bring them together. I will say I get why but I kinda dislike the modern Hitman games always having 2-3 targets. That's one thing about contracts, elusive contracts, etc. that I really like. The simplicity of just having to kill one dude cleanly and get the gently caress out. Having to do things like take care of the virus or get into the basement in Colorado are cool for the story campaign but once I've done the level a few times I kinda wish I could just shoot a dude and leave. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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Aug 14, 2020 04:25
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Yeah, all of the missions are great, with the exception of Colorado, which is merely 'good'. Still fun, but definitely not as good as the rest
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Aug 14, 2020 05:05
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I agree just having one target is a nice charge of pace, but I wouldn't want it at the cost of not having these huge sandbox maps to play with. I wish they'd had more time/money/whatever to make some actual special assignments for H2, rather than the repurposed elusive targets we ended up with. Missions like Landslide, the Icon and a House Built on Sand were awesome switch ups on the old maps focusing on one target, and the ones we got for H2 were disappointing. Hoping H3 is popular enough that they can really go all out on the bonus content, specially seeing as it'll be the last we'll ever see for this iteration of Hitman.
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Aug 14, 2020 06:51
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If they did a single target, it would have to be a layered fortress of a level where even getting sight of the target is a challenge. I guess the bank is pretty close to that, but getting rid of the hard drive part would really require them to up the ante.
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Aug 14, 2020 06:59
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Freedom Fighters is better than Club 27. The two buildings of the hotel being so disconnected and impermeable feels opposed to what's best about the Hitman reboot levels. Colorado's whole thing is that it's flat obviously, but at least you can beeline from one area to the next.
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Aug 14, 2020 07:40
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Colorado is easily the worst level in the reboot.
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I would've liked playing Colorado in the fox engine
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Aug 14, 2020 07:56
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Jack Trades posted:Colorado is easily the worst level in the reboot. I'll fight you
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Aug 14, 2020 08:08
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Restrained Crown Posse posted:I'll fight you Yeah? Well I'll sneak into your club and drop a lamp on you! (I don't really have an opinion on worst map, I just wanted to make a joke)
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Aug 14, 2020 08:53
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Red Oktober posted:I like the challenges but I find it hard because some of them you just get no idea at all from the name and picture and [redacted].
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Aug 14, 2020 10:06
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Marrakesh is my least favourite level as a sandbox. The three sub-areas are entirely separate and non-porous and it makes for very few interesting challenges or gimmicks. It's not too bad to SASO, though. Poisoning the food and electrocuting Strandberg is a good route. I like Bangkok overall. It's pretty and a lot of the challenges are interesting. I just wish there were one or two more ways to get into the band's side of the hotel. But using the cake topper is a super easy way to get Jordan to come down, even on master. There should be a way to get the exterminator to finish his work without having to impersonate him so you can get Jordan into the lobby in a suit only run. Colorado is a pain to SASO but the map in general was hugely improved with Hitman 2 adding bushes and not having to use the tornado shelter exit every time.
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Aug 14, 2020 10:46
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Red Oktober posted:I like the challenges but I find it hard because some of them you just get no idea at all from the name and picture and [redacted]. At least some you can work out what they might be. Most of them seem to be intended for the most dedicated fans to figure out and have them puzzle together on forums and Discord channels. They should replace the [redacted] with actual info once they have been figured out. At least the ones where you could figure them out, not the ones where you have to follow a Youtube video's eight step plan. Edit: Hours later I figured out that I said "figure" a lot in this post. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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HelixFox posted:I just wish there were one or two more ways to get into the band's side of the hotel. But using the cake topper is a super easy way to get Jordan to come down, even on master. There should be a way to get the exterminator to finish his work without having to impersonate him so you can get Jordan into the lobby in a suit only run. Yeah, this is my biggest gripe with the level, too. I feel that if you could help nudge the exterminator along while playing SO, (kinda like with the Kashmirian, I guess? Like adjusting his sight) it would open up so many more fun opportunities 
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Aug 14, 2020 11:00
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Major Isoor posted:Yeah, this is my biggest gripe with the level, too. I feel that if you could help nudge the exterminator along while playing SO, (kinda like with the Kashmirian, I guess? Like adjusting his sight) it would open up so many more fun opportunities A lot of the opportunities in these games have some issues but the Kashmirian is probably one of the greatest assassinations in gaming history. Just low key fixing a lesser hitman's poo poo so he can do your job for you is so good.
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Aug 14, 2020 11:46
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I feel like they've gotten better at that stuff as they've gone along, so hopefully H3 will have some really fun assassinations and less annoying challenges. Maybe a few gimmicky assassinations, I was thinking one where there's some object that different npcs keep handing off to each other, and you have to kill whoever has the object, but the handoffs are random every time.
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Aug 14, 2020 12:16
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Pilchenstein posted:Challenges are absolutely the worst part of this game, "oh please play all the superfluous dogshit game modes we tacked on, we'll tick something off a list for you" should've made escalations/ghost mode/whatever suck less if you wanted people to play them
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Aug 14, 2020 13:01
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I want there to be a [redacted] challenge on one of the bigger levels for H3 that gives no clue about what you’re supposed to do, not even the picture being a help and for it to be a mystery that goes on for years.
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Aug 14, 2020 13:11
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Hey Nakar, you posted a thing a while ago about the behaviour of crowd npcs. I was thinking about making a contract that involves killing people in front of crowds where there are no other 'real' npcs around and having them not react, but I can't remember how they behave. Is this doable or do crowds freak out if you say, stab someone in front of them?
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Aug 14, 2020 13:57
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Crowds freak out when you've shot someone recently at all, even if no member of the crowd could have seen it. I don't think they alert NPCs to it but they'll back away from you in terror at the slightest whiff of gunpowder.
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Man with Hat posted:A lot of the opportunities in these games have some issues but the Kashmirian is probably one of the greatest assassinations in gaming history. Just low key fixing a lesser hitman's poo poo so he can do your job for you is so good. I would be down for having the Kashmirian appear in all future hits, that was fun poo poo Make it a recurring comedic element where he works for some discount version of your agency
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Aug 14, 2020 16:32
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Nakar posted:Not all of them are as good at it as others, but I'm not going to judge a mode based on its worst examples. They serve an important role when thinking about the game as a whole. In another world ghost mode could maybe be a fun party game but in this one it's a glaring waste of dev time that nobody asked for. Tacking competitive multiplayer onto single player games is almost never a good idea. I'm going to be similarly curmudgeonly about the VR mode, though at least that'll probably sell them a few copies to people desperately trying to justify spending 900 quid on a hat.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:55
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Crowds are bizarre, I've lost count of the amount of times I've gone into a packed room in Paris and the whole crowd has just stopped what they're doing and turned around to stare at me like in John Wick 2.
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quote:“For VR, what I can tell you today is that HITMAN 3 will include PS VR support at launch,” the message reads. However the developer also noted that the PC platform held a lot of significance for the Hitman series, making it seem like VR support could be on the cards later down the line. So there's confirmation of exclusive PSVR at launch, as we suspected. They are saying that PC VR could come down the line, but it may be a bit.  That cagey language of "what I can tell you today" makes it sound like they've definitely talked about PC VR internally and just can't commit to it yet. Probably don't want to promise anything but want to try it after launch. Pilchenstein posted:In another world ghost mode could maybe be a fun party game but in this one it's a glaring waste of dev time that nobody asked for. Tacking competitive multiplayer onto single player games is almost never a good idea. I'm going to be similarly curmudgeonly about the VR mode, though at least that'll probably sell them a few copies to people desperately trying to justify spending 900 quid on a hat. Ghost is a weird tacked on expiriment. About VR though... you're free to not use it, but if you think people only play VR because of Stockholm syndrome you're extremely wrong. And missing out on some incredible experiences.
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Zaphod42 posted:About VR though... you're free to not use it, but if you think people only play VR because of Stockholm syndrome you're extremely wrong. And missing out on some incredible experiences.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:04
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I played Club 27 earlier. The map is gorgeous, though I can understand it being a bit more restricted than the others so far. I couldn't really work out a way to get the lawyer but impersonating the drummer was hilarious, from 47's unexpected skill to his hipster-mocking aside of "I'm with a small agency. You've probably never heard of them.". In general the idea of taking out a rock star on his 27th birthday is inspired.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:41
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Pilchenstein posted:And 900 quid richer Yeah and you'd be another 900 quid richer if you didn't buy a gaming PC or a PS4 Can't take money with you when you die, may as well spend it on cool poo poo that makes you happy.
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:Hey Nakar, you posted a thing a while ago about the behaviour of crowd npcs. I was thinking about making a contract that involves killing people in front of crowds where there are no other 'real' npcs around and having them not react, but I can't remember how they behave. Is this doable or do crowds freak out if you say, stab someone in front of them? It's similar to the sniper response from guards. They'll triangulate your position and maybe even shoot at your vantage point, but unless and until they can actually see you SA is preserved. Easiest place to see this is Colorado: Snipe from the water tower and if you wait around long enough half the level will be perched below you, guns drawn on the tower, unable to see you. The inability to path seems to break their AI and they never leave. There are other ways to break AI, though I've never quite developed a good repeatable exploitable method to do so. What seems to do it, or at least what can do it, is a temporary script alteration that is then somehow interrupted. The Constant fleeing in Sgail will pull four nearby guards to serve as his escort, and then after he's seen off in the helicopter they will pause and go back to their original scripts; it's possible to interrupt some or all of them by means of a distraction or panic and cause them to just stand at the helipad never returning, but I'm not sure of the best way to do it. Dabir posted:Crowds freak out when you've shot someone recently at all, even if no member of the crowd could have seen it. I don't think they alert NPCs to it but they'll back away from you in terror at the slightest whiff of gunpowder.
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Nakar posted:It's similar to the sniper response from guards. They'll triangulate your position and maybe even shoot at your vantage point, but unless and until they can actually see you SA is preserved. Easiest place to see this is Colorado: Snipe from the water tower and if you wait around long enough half the level will be perched below you, guns drawn on the tower, unable to see you. The inability to path seems to break their AI and they never leave. Same poo poo in the Mumbai watchtower. The very second they get line of site on you it's go time, but until then they just hang out there waving their tools around.
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I hope they change the sniper behaviour for H3, the invisible gunshots thing is really dumb and immersion breaking.
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Freedom Fighters isn't bad but it's definitely my least favourite so far. Four targets is too much, two or three at the max imo. I also feel really stupid because I had to look up how to get into the bunker. I was looking around all over the place for a saw so I could cut his hand off (his wrist shows up in instinct, turns out it's his watch that you can trigger to explode?). I did get SA though so what you gonna do.
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:I hope they change the sniper behaviour for H3, the invisible gunshots thing is really dumb and immersion breaking. Despite that I’m having huge loving trouble trying to sniper assassin on Bangkok (the source). No matter what I do my shot always seems to hit someone else as well. I’ve even looked up a YouTube and he’s shooting from the same spot as me and getting Hidden each time. Red Oktober fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Red Oktober posted:Despite that I’m having huge loving trouble trying to sniper assassin on Bangkok (the source). No matter what I do my shot always seems to hit someone else as well. I’ve even looked up a YouTube and he’s shooting from the same spot as me and getting Hidden each time. I think I know the spot. There may be a staffer standing in the way about 90% of the time. Since he's on an infinite loop, consider knocking out that staffer. Alternately, use the kitchen as a stashpoint and snipe him up close. Zaphod42 posted:I would be down for having the Kashmirian appear in all future hits, that was fun poo poo I could see it except they've established that the dude is a psychotic serial killer who appears to be trying to become a sort of follower of the Maelstrom, and was freelance at best before. Not exactly agent smith. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Red Oktober posted:Despite that I’m having huge loving trouble trying to sniper assassin on Bangkok (the source). No matter what I do my shot always seems to hit someone else as well. I’ve even looked up a YouTube and he’s shooting from the same spot as me and getting Hidden each time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUkRsUq_mg
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Finished off the last sniper challenges, so just a couple achievements, sniper mastery, some ghost mode, and a single very simple Haven challenge to go. I've actually already got some good setups for ~2mill per run on Hantu, so this may not take quite as long as I'd feared.Pilchenstein posted:Not sure what method you're currently using but I've tested this a few times tonight and it seems pretty consistent as long as you don't change into the waiter's outfit until after both targets are dead. I keep forgetting people do challenge runs and don't go for SA, lmao. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Aug 15, 2020 06:48
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I might eventually do all the sniper level challenges, but there is no loving way I'm doing the mastery.
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I just...I need a grindmate!
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