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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Porfiriato posted:

as I recall he's an Australian

All the explanation you need, really

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oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
"Australian" :vince:

loving oval office deserves a rope and lamp post. Sod off to China if he loves it that much and renounce Australian citizenship while he's at it.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
He's only in it for the succulent Chinese meals.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

oohhboy posted:

"Australian" :vince:

loving oval office deserves a rope and lamp post.

Hey! I resemble that remark.


But seriously, I lived in China for 2 1/2 years, which I know is not a hugely long time, but I think is enough. What are guys like this seeing that I didn't see that makes them suck CCP dick? Or what did I see in my short time that they dont see, even though they have been there longer and are surely more enmeshed in the society than I was, what with a Chinese wife etc.?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

BrigadierSensible posted:

Hey! I resemble that remark.


But seriously, I lived in China for 2 1/2 years, which I know is not a hugely long time, but I think is enough. What are guys like this seeing that I didn't see that makes them suck CCP dick? Or what did I see in my short time that they dont see, even though they have been there longer and are surely more enmeshed in the society than I was, what with a Chinese wife etc.?

Its just people's character, some people are good people some people are bad people.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

BrigadierSensible posted:

Hey! I resemble that remark.


But seriously, I lived in China for 2 1/2 years, which I know is not a hugely long time, but I think is enough. What are guys like this seeing that I didn't see that makes them suck CCP dick? Or what did I see in my short time that they dont see, even though they have been there longer and are surely more enmeshed in the society than I was, what with a Chinese wife etc.?

I think it has less to do with seeing or not seeing something and more that back in their home countries these guys were giant loving losers. By going to China and being the pro-CCP dweeb, they get the positive attention they never received back home. The CCP being good equates to intrinsic value in themselves that they now suddenly have and they get to be popular on YouTube and maybe even get laid! They get to act smarter than everyone who disagrees. They can earn minor celebrity status in China. They can flaunt their hot Chinese wife on the internet. It's no deeper than that.

HerStuddMuffin posted:

I’m not sure what the red bolded parts have in common. Surely forcing others to fast during Ramadan should be frowned upon, much like imposing one’s religious practices on others whether they share these beliefs or not, and forbidding it seems appropriate.

It's less what it says directly and more what it implies. You are not allowed to teach the religion to your children. If someone is curious about your religion, you are not allowed to discuss it with them. China is basically trying to claim that religious freedom is a thing that is protected in their country while also ensuring that certain religions die with their practitioners.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Atlas Hugged posted:

I think it has less to do with seeing or not seeing something and more that back in their home countries these guys were giant loving losers.

The three tankies I knew were this.

They hated their parents, got a useless (for them and their personalities) degree, and basically repelled any woman who got within earshot because they were always spouting angry, political, edgelord bullshit that could be condensed down into "gently caress you dad".

They had no friends, no love interests, and no real job prospects. They blamed western society, and China seemed like a place they could succeed. All three were cured by finding a girlfriend.

Basically, "Sex cures (most) tankies".

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Blistex posted:

They hated their parents, got a useless (for them and their personalities) degree, and basically repelled any woman who got within earshot because they were always spouting angry, political, edgelord bullshit that could be condensed down into "gently caress you dad".

They had no friends, no love interests, and no real job prospects. They blamed western society

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McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Angry at sexpats for having sex at all.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

McGavin posted:

Angry at sexpats for having sex at all.

Well, I guess I was doing China sexpatting wrong then. Coz in my 2 1/2 years there I had no sex, and was/am arguably as big, or bigger a loser than them.

I did get kissed on the mouth by a pretty Ukranian girl on the night of the 2013 Grand Final. But I don't think that counts, coz I was drunk, and cared a lot more about the fact that I had just watched my team win the premiership. (see, told you I am a bigger loser than them.)

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

You should have studied under Haier. Learned the hidden sexpat moves.

HerStuddMuffin
Aug 10, 2014

YOSPOS

Atlas Hugged posted:

It's less what it says directly and more what it implies. You are not allowed to teach the religion to your children. If someone is curious about your religion, you are not allowed to discuss it with them. China is basically trying to claim that religious freedom is a thing that is protected in their country while also ensuring that certain religions die with their practitioners.
That’s not what it says at all, but ok. My question was about the color choices tho. Number 12 is absolutely insane but was left in black, for instance. Also, what happened to 8-11, and a few others?

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Dont Touch ME posted:

You should have studied under Haier. Learned the hidden sexpat moves.

Say yes to every broken and disgusting person on dating sites?

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Dont Touch ME posted:

You should have studied under Haier. Learned the hidden sexpat moves.

While you were partying, I studied the half and half.

edit: Is it ok to drink half and half as a beverage?
I especially enjoyed the response from the guy whose half and half drinking led to a case of gout.

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Aug 13, 2020

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Porfiriato posted:

While you were partying, I studied the half and half.

edit: Is it ok to drink half and half as a beverage?
I especially enjoyed the response from the guy whose half and half drinking led to a case of gout.

Unlikely to have caused his gout as much as consuming a huge amount of calories.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Maybe calories work differently for people who breathe with their stomach

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Devils Affricate posted:

Maybe calories work differently for people who breathe with their stomach

:discourse:

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Blistex posted:

Say yes to every broken and disgusting person on dating sites?

I take exception to that, he never said yes to me :(

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Blistex posted:

Say yes to every broken and disgusting person on dating sites?

Don't think of it as "I'm lowering my standards"

Think of it as "cha bu duo"

Have you learned NOTHING about China?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
I’ve been watching Bruce Lee movies all night tonight. Fist of Fury is somehow more on point than ever, and Enter the Dragon is still the best Kung Fu/Jeet Kun Do exhibit ever.

I wish he was still around to dunk on the CCP’s idiotic bullshit.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

HerStuddMuffin posted:

That’s not what it says at all, but ok. My question was about the color choices tho. Number 12 is absolutely insane but was left in black, for instance. Also, what happened to 8-11, and a few others?

I can't speak to why it's colored the way it is, or where the missing restrictions are, but it is 100% worded to do as I said by using language to make the activities sound villainous while being vague enough to let the authorities interpret any action to fit a banned behavior.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

I mean the US government is pretty lovely but staning for China and Russia and other fascist governments is just :psyduck:

Not that the US isn't close to becoming fascist but I bet it changes in November thanks to incredible ineptitude. Idiot could have run for 8 years pretty easy if just paid attention and read the loving room. Doubling down is hilariously inept.

Thankfully he's basically a moron tiktok poster looking for likes.

[edit] wrong thread for the previous edit!

Wendigee fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Aug 14, 2020

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
They seem to have an issue with the concept of US: Bad, China/Russia: Worse.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

WarpedNaba posted:

They seem to have an issue with the concept of US: Bad, China/Russia: Worse.

Weird. I assume they are mostly white people from wealthy families?

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
white as the driven snow and rich as the summer days are looooong

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

WarpedNaba posted:

They seem to have an issue with the concept of US: Bad, China/Russia: Worse.

I'd argue that eg Russia is less bad if you live outside of it because it has less ability to do an imperialism to you

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

GotLag posted:

I'd argue that eg Russia is less bad if you live outside of it because it has less ability to do an imperialism to you
"Next to" is outside...?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Presumably Ukraine or the Ex-Eastern Bloc doesn't count. Good to know!

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
or various Japanese islands and Venezuela

how many pages has it been since someone mentioned the 9-dash line or Wolf Warrior defeating the evil French in the unnamed African country

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Shumagorath posted:

or various Japanese islands

lol, of all territorial disputes in the world that's the weirdest one to pretend to give a poo poo about

"they stole our islands we'd just finished stealing from the local aborigines" :qq:

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

Wendigee posted:

Weird. I assume they are mostly white people from wealthy families?

If you’re poor in America, China doesn’t look that bad, especially as they have been experiencing a period of prosperity while America is slowly declining for the middle class and poor. Most of C-SPAM is not wealthy.

As a non-American I can comfortably say both are bad* but a lot of American lefties seem to trip over themselves to yell “but America BAD” whenever another country is talked about unfavourably, which always seems like a non-sequitur.

They are very clearly different, and fail their people in different ways, and it’s ok to entertain both thoughts at once. This is also not the same as saying “both are the same”.

*i am not implying my country is therefore good

This is SA, I always thought our opinion is that most things are awful and therefore a source of comedy. :shrug:

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


GotLag posted:

lol, of all territorial disputes in the world that's the weirdest one to pretend to give a poo poo about

"they stole our islands we'd just finished stealing from the local aborigines" :qq:
russia also took back the southern half of sakhalin, which it had ceded to japan at the end of the russo-japanese war. japanese cartographers still carry a torch for karafuto.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


GotLag posted:

I'd argue that eg Russia is less bad if you live outside of it because it has less ability to do an imperialism to you

I mean maybe at this moment although I'm not sure all those Syrian hospitals that got bombed by Russian jets would agree. But it's not like if the US vanished tomorrow, Russia would stay in the exact same state it is right now forever.

D&D especially seems to have this dumbass view that the collapse of the US would lead to the end of imperialism everywhere forever and not just result in the next biggest guy filling the void and expanding as has happened like, literally every time in history an has empire collapsed. Not that it excuses any of the horrible poo poo the US has done and continues to do. I'm just saying it wouldn't be any better given the state of the world if the US just collapsed instead of reformed or something.

LordArgh
Mar 17, 2009

Nap Ghost

a primate posted:

If you’re poor in America, China doesn’t look that bad

they should look a bit closer at the majority of china that aren't the major cities then

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


LordArgh posted:

they should look a bit closer at the majority of china that aren't the major cities then

Yeah.

It is true living in a city on an expat level salary is a lot more comfortable than being poor in the US. If you have any qualifications at all it's not that hard to find a job in Chengdu that pays $3000-4000 a month, and unless you're paying a giant student loan or something (not that I'd have any experience with that) that kind of money is plenty to never have to worry about it.

But poor Chinese people are just as hosed as poor Americans, and in very similar ways. No healthcare, no education, little real hope of improvement.

A Jupiter
Apr 25, 2010

Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah.

It is true living in a city on an expat level salary is a lot more comfortable than being poor in the US. If you have any qualifications at all it's not that hard to find a job in Chengdu that pays $3000-4000 a month, and unless you're paying a giant student loan or something (not that I'd have any experience with that) that kind of money is plenty to never have to worry about it.

But poor Chinese people are just as hosed as poor Americans, and in very similar ways. No healthcare, no education, little real hope of improvement.

Expats also miss the experience of having their formative years in that country. You can argue all day that the government is more compassionate, there's more chances for social climbing, better transport etc. But as lovely as the public schooling system in the US can be, at least they won't be worked to death and end up with a combination of PTSD and OCD, which makes them perfect controllable worker bees who repeat rote tasks as needed.

But I'm guessing anybody who still has their head in the sand can go "but there are cases like that in the US too!", but like everything with this discussion, it's bad in America but way way worse in China. There's instances of students committing suicide from bullying/pressure in the states but there's a wave of suicides after every exam season in China (and other parts of East Asia).

A Jupiter fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 14, 2020

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
i'm not sure about the cost but could you send your kids to an international school like they have for diplomats' kids? surely their curriculum is different/more westernized in form

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The White Dragon posted:

i'm not sure about the cost but could you send your kids to an international school like they have for diplomats' kids? surely their curriculum is different/more westernized in form

If you're rich, yeah. Those schools can easily run $30,000+ a year. My international program in an otherwise normal private high school was $20,000 a year.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-huawei-built-data-centre-a-failed-investment-papua-new-guinea-says/

quote:

A Huawei-built data centre in Papua New Guinea is a “failed investment,” that country’s government says, after a technical review found serious security vulnerabilities in what was designed to be an important piece of the country’s digital infrastructure.

Dated encryption technology and the placement of some devices in the centre meant that “data flows could be easily intercepted,” according to a review commissioned by Papua New Guinea’s National Cyber Security Centre and obtained by The Globe and Mail. The security centre receives funding from Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Canberra was given a copy of the report, whose findings were first reported by the Australian Financial Review.

The report details numerous technical deficiencies in the National Data Centre, including firewall devices “with basic settings for defence”; the use of 3DES, a 1995-era encryption standard “considered openly broken since 2016”; and the installation of core switches outside firewalls, which means “remote access would not be detected.” The physical configuration of the data centre was different from the schematics for its design, and the differences made it more vulnerable to hacking.

The data centre was financed by a US$53-million loan from the Export-Import Bank of China and designed by engineers from Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. Its deficiencies have renewed questions about the trustworthiness of Huawei technology at a time when Ottawa and other Western capitals are mulling whether to allow equipment from the Chinese company in 5G networks.

“To some extent, we can conclude that it truly is a failed investment,” Timothy Masiu, Papua New Guinea’s Minister for Information and Communication Technology, said in a statement on Thursday. He suggested looking instead to cloud storage from companies like Amazon.com Inc. and Microsoft Corp., before cautioning against geopolitical point-scoring over digital infrastructure. “Our national issues are our business, and must not be used to fit any other narrative,” he said.

Outside Papua New Guinea, however, the problems with the data centre add to concerns about the security of technology made by a company headquartered in China, where the law compels organizations and citizens to “support, assist and co-operate” with the country’s intelligence apparatus.

The United States, the U.K. and Australia have to varying degrees banned Huawei’s 5G technology.

Last year, the UK’s Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre oversight board faulted Huawei more broadly for problems with “basic engineering competence and cyber security hygiene that give rise to vulnerabilities that are capable of being exploited by a range of actors.” In April, 2019, Ian Levy, the technical director of the National Cyber Security Centre in the U.K., told the BBC that “the security in Huawei is like nothing else – it’s engineering like it’s back in the year 2000 – it’s very, very shoddy.”

Huawei was also the main digital supplier to the Chinese-built African Union headquarters, where, for five years, data were transferred to servers in Shanghai, according to reports in Le Monde Afrique and The Financial Times. Officials have denied such problems existed, and Huawei has said that if any data leaked, it wasn’t from the company’s equipment.

Still, such problems point to “a relatively immature … security culture in the company,” said Christopher Parsons, a senior research associate at The Citizen Lab, which specializes in communications and security studies at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy.

In Papua New Guinea, “some of the issues being raised are not particularly advanced problems to have identified and then remediated,” Mr. Parsons said. “The fact they weren’t is unfortunate, and speaks poorly of the security culture that Huawei has.”

Huawei did not offer an on-record response to detailed questions about the Papua New Guinea data centre from The Globe. It told the Australian Financial Review: “This project complies with appropriate industry standards and the requirements of the customer.”

Huawei has a deep foothold in Papua New Guinea. The company built 4G networks for the country, a high-speed broadband network, and a network of submarine cables to connect coastal settlements. At least one local community complained that excavators used to lay underwater cable broke reefs.

Huawei was also the contractor for a national identity project that includes an electronic identification (e-ID) system backed by a database. That database, service for which has occasionally been interrupted for days, is at the National Data Centre.

The company’s importance to Papua New Guinea means trouble with the data centre is “a very sensitive issue,” the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology said in a chat message.

In Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the “Chinese government always requires Chinese companies, in their overseas operations, to strictly follow international regulations.” But, he said, the Chinese government firmly opposes “some foreign media’s malicious discussions about the data centre.”

In Papua New Guinea, security vulnerabilities have become less of a concern than disrepair. The data centre has a slow internet connection, and some of its components – including backup batteries and an e-mail server – are broken. Software licences have expired, and the report says local authorities do not have enough funds to properly maintain the centre.

As a result, it “is not currently used by a significant portion of the government of PNG,” the report found. “It is assessed that a full rebuild would need to occur to modernize the facility.”

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Trudeau is going to try and sneak in just enough Huawei tech to keep them happy, and a year or two later it will be discovered that there was some manner of "day one" vulnerability that should have been picked up but allowed an unknown amount of sensitive data to be routed through China. He's past the point of caring about the interests of Canada and is fixated on trying to scrounge up enough money to campaign next election.

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