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GigaPeon posted:Agents of SHIELD was concluded by firing a space based Love Ray at their enemies. You can't convince me otherwise. Fitz looked through the timelines with a copy of the Timestream that Enoch pickpocketed while he was in disguise back in the season 6 finale Fitz found a workable, if convoluted, plan for saving their own, original timeline, but it required the participation of Daisy's long-dead sister Fitz can't send the rest of the team to any arbitrary point in time, but he can piggyback them onto the bag guys' time travel, and can see that this will eventually result in them ending up in a branching timeline where they will meet Kora He himself will need to stay in the quantum realm to maintain a "bridge" between the branching timeline and the original timeline, so that they can eventually return to the original. He thus sends the team off, spends a few instants in the quantum realm and is then pulled out again by them in the alternate timeline where Kora (he expects) will be alive and well to help them His original plan was for the team + Kora to then go back to the original timeline, arriving at the same instant that they originally departed, and with Kora's help give all the bad guy minions empathy to save the day. The rest of the team objected to this on the grounds that it would leave the alternate timeline with a fleet of bad guy ships still in orbit, poised to conquer Earth. So the plan was amended to bring this fleet back with them to the original timeline, and give empathy to both original timeline bad guys + alternate timeline bad guys there. From the perspective of the original timeline: Bad guy fleet arrives in orbit Moments later Shield team travels into the past An instant later Shield team arrives again from alternate timeline, along with alternate timeline bad guy fleet that joins the original fleet in orbit Both fleets are then turned friendly by the power of love From the perspective of the alternate timeline: Bad guys mess with events through the decades and are countered by Shield Their plan eventually culminates in their fleet arriving in orbit to conquer alternate Earth Shield then drags the fleet out of the timeline, leaving alternate Earth safe from this threat, if relatively bruised by the orbital bombardment Both timelines are saved at the end of the day. None of the universes involved were sacrificed to a sucky end.
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Azhais posted:They went back to the original timeline basically at the same time they started the time journey, not some fancy new one. But otherwise yes, they drug the time traveling hunters back with them so deke and the rest of the 80s crowd didn't get exterminated, then administered the love ray In Director Deke's universe things are going to be interesting. All of the loving about the Chronocoms did up to that point still stick, so SHEILD is blown up, HYDRA is on a different path (and also blown up), the Inhuman's don't have a leader. Things are going to play out VERY differently over there.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:30
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Chloe Bennet went and got a daisy tattoo after the show wrapped. She's adorable.
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In Deke’s universe, Howard Stark survived the attack on SHIELD and constructed himself a suit of armour to help protect the world from extraterrestrial aggressors. He uses it to easily thwart Bucky’s attempt on his life, then capture and deprogram him. He then recruits Carol Danvers when she returns to Earth and, with Bucky, helps her overthrow the Kree empire and repurpose their technology to defend Earth. By the time Loki tries to invade with the chitauri, the Avengers are more than ready, and thwart them easily. Deke invents New Coke.
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Rhyno posted:Chloe Bennet went and got a daisy tattoo after the show wrapped. She's really attached to the character and has said many times she hopes to at least get an MCU cameo.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:21
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There were rumors not that long ago about a Secret Warriors show on D+, so here's hoping they keep Chloe around if that happens
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ded posted:Daredevil and Quake in the angst adventure They did mention early in the series that Daisy went to the same orphanage as Murdock... Also to the point above, Yo-Yo was a member of Secret Warriors too. Mr Beens posted:In Director Deke's universe things are going to be interesting. All of the loving about the Chronocoms did up to that point still stick, so SHEILD is blown up, HYDRA is on a different path (and also blown up), the Inhuman's don't have a leader. Things are going to play out VERY differently over there. I was thinking the same thing, because I don't know how much Deke knows about Avengers history. On one hand, destroying SHIELD in the 80s means Hydra never gets to rise up, so you prevent all the Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron stuff. On the other hand, that universe's Fury and Coulson likely died in the attacks. Even if they didn't, without SHIELD resources, how do they still assemble the Avengers to stop the Battle of New York, or stop Thanos from getting all the stones? I feel like that universe is still pretty screwed. Deke's got a few decades to prepare, but only if he knows all the intel, and I'm not sure he does. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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Aug 14, 2020 19:41
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sticklefifer posted:They did mention early in the series that Daisy went to the same orphanage as Murdock... Wait when was this??
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Aug 14, 2020 20:58
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Upon reflection, I've decided my "steal rocks" plan leaves too many opportunities for time travel stuff to mess things up. The real plan is go back to s01e03 and steal the gravitonium while it was en route to storage
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Aug 14, 2020 21:00
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turd in my singlet posted:Wait when was this?? Neither character name dropped the other they just each said the same name of the orphanage they grew up in.
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Aug 14, 2020 21:03
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Aug 14, 2020 21:04
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Fury could have still been in the army in 1983 so he could have survived and had to call Deke Sir.
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Aug 14, 2020 22:10
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Man, I really hope they do a What If episode on Deke. He will probably do the tech bro thing all over again, except this time Men In Black it where all the money funds a covert spy organization.
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sticklefifer posted:If Quake is going to graduate to movies it's probably low priority, since they still have all the X-Men to fold in somehow. I guess? I think Quake is comparatively easy to slide in, because although she has a lot of backstory, you don't really need it. Like, if they introduce X-Men and mutants and all that other poo poo, nobody's going to bat an eye if SHIELD shows up with powered agents. "Oh, they hired some mutants." Is she a mutant? No. Do they need to explain how or why? Not really. Do they need to explain the specific intricacies of her past with SHIELD? Not really. Quake is essentially just a competent secret agent type, working for a shadow agency that's infamous for its secrecy. The reason you've never heard of her before is that she's black ops. She's here to do SHIELD poo poo. It's fine.
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You could slot in Quake as someone who puts together the Young Avengers. Or just have her show up with Fury in space with "Hello, Agent Johnson. Glad you have you" and that's like all you need.
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Something I've been wondering, if Marvel TV hadn't been too big for their britches and not tried to make the Most Wanted spin off happen, would Bobbi and Hunter have stayed on the show for the rest of the run? My guess is no.
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howe_sam posted:Something I've been wondering, if Marvel TV hadn't been too big for their britches and not tried to make the Most Wanted spin off happen, would Bobbi and Hunter have stayed on the show for the rest of the run? My guess is no. I feel like there would've been a cast trim-down at some point regardless, and if you were looking at the cast and trying to find characters to lift out that would have the least impact by their absence, it would probably have been those two.
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ShakeZula posted:I feel like there would've been a cast trim-down at some point regardless, and if you were looking at the cast and trying to find characters to lift out that would have the least impact by their absence, it would probably have been those two. I don't think that's the case. I think Yo-Yo probably would have been just a recurring guest star, and maybe Deke doesn't get added as a regular for seasons 6 and 7. Brett Dalton also left the cast the same season as Bobbi and Hunter. I think if they didn't try and make a spin-off, those two would have stuck around until the end.
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Codependent Poster posted:You could slot in Quake as someone who puts together the Young Avengers. Or just have her show up with Fury in space with "Hello, Agent Johnson. Glad you have you" and that's like all you need. That's literally what she does in the Marvel Uprising animated movies. She's in charge of a team made up of like Ms Marvel, Squirrel Girl, Inferno, America Chavez and Spider-Gwen.
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't think that's the case. I think Yo-Yo probably would have been just a recurring guest star, and maybe Deke doesn't get added as a regular for seasons 6 and 7. I like Bobbi and Hunter, but I wouldn't give up what we got from Yo-Yo and Deke for them. Show made the right call 
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I finally worked up the emotional energy to watch the finale after missing it on Wednesday. Very glad that the team all got happy endings. I’m going to miss the show a lot and will probably start rewatching it again soon. My favorite moments from the show: Daisy’s one shot fight scene Fitz just diving in a space portal with no thought All of season 4, especially the first Ghost Rider transformation and Mack’s horrible sadness in the framework Enoch’s monologue before dying Hunter and Fitz jailbreak Kyle McLachlan chewing scenery like there is no tomorrow I could go on and on because this is easily my favorite long running show. As for Quake in the MCU, that seems like a no brainer. Chloe Bennet is primed to be a much bigger star and she knows the character inside and out at this point. It even gives you a moment for people who didn’t watch the show where she’s seemingly just a very competent agent and then suddenly she quakes someone through a wall and goes, “Oh yeah, I have powers, forgot to mention that.”
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At what point is it more efficient for the chronicoms to just gently caress off to go live on another planet? Why are they so dedicated to resettling on earth that they have to deal with crazy endless time shenanigans, mounting casualties, and Fitz?
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counterfeitsaint posted:At what point is it more efficient for the chronicoms to just gently caress off to go live on another planet? Why are they so dedicated to resettling on earth that they have to deal with crazy endless time shenanigans, mounting casualties, and Fitz? I think they were just mad that "human" Sarge blew up their planet so they're gonna go take the Human planet
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Kyle McLachlan chewing scenery like there is no tomorrow The low-budget villains he recruited were kinda dumb, but it was worth it for his childlike glee when screamer-dude murdered a load of crows.
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I think season 2 is my favourite overall. De Caestecker does some phenomenal work, Henstridge is a hair behind him and her character development is *chefs kiss*. Blood and Simmons are both breaths of fresh air and such solid characters they hit the ground running (esp Simmons and De Caestecker, that pairing got sort of lost along the way which is a shame). There is a good mix of spy hijinks, actual threat and of course Hydra malarky that all slots together nicely at the end. I think they tried to make Bobbi all things to all people (Adrienne has extremely charismatic so it mostly works) but it's a minor gripe with an excellent season that starts off by killing Xena and gets better from there.
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muscles like this! posted:Neither character name dropped the other they just each said the same name of the orphanage they grew up in. The orphanage they mentioned isn’t from the comics either, it’s exclusively an MCU thing. Daredevil and AoS made a few references to one another, it’s a shame nothing came of it.
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For me season 3 was the show at its peak, season 4 came close but the framework part was a little boring and resulted in some awful writing.
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ded posted:Having fitz for only the last episode sucked a big one. Yeah, but it meant that Sousa and Daisy got a happy ending and that made up for it, imo.
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Was J. August Richards busy or something? I'm kinda' surprised. He was the catalyst of the show's premise.
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Behind the scenes on the music
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If I had to pick my favorite single moment, it's probably when Garrett gets up from his injured body being restored and starts laughing maniacally, then Coulson just vaporizes him. I had to pause it because I was laughing so hard.Edmund Lava posted:The orphanage they mentioned isn’t from the comics either, it’s exclusively an MCU thing. Daredevil and AoS made a few references to one another, it’s a shame nothing came of it.
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It would be truer to comics to have characters participate in events that make their location history and timeline completely unintelligible
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:Was J. August Richards busy or something? I'm kinda' surprised. He was the catalyst of the show's premise. Yeah, I wish they'd brought back all of the remaining characters for one last bang for some reason. Daisy's dad, Deathlok, Robbie Reyes, etc etc.
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, I wish they'd brought back all of the remaining characters for one last bang for some reason. Daisy's dad, Deathlok, Robbie Reyes, etc etc. I read that post-game interview that was posted earlier (https://tv.avclub.com/the-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-showrunners-reveal-the-plan-1844694196) with the showrunners and it seems like everything ultimately just boils down to budget when it comes to this show and missed opportunities. I don't even know if I would call them missed opportunities as much as doing the best they could with what they had available to them. I enjoyed hearing everyone's contempt for the corridors as this was an ongoing source of amusement between my husband and I whenever the lighthouse was pretty much the only set in use for long stretches. I'm glad they managed to pull off what they did, interesting to know they wanted more, and it was like spinning plates in terms of project management - looks as though the 1930's attire and props cost way more than I would have reasonably expected which might help explain why it eventually stalled out in the 80's - but as an 80's kid I was more than happy with this outcome. I had assumed that most US network shows have a similar situation to the BBC where there's just a huge warehoused amount of historical props and clothing built up over the decades that any show can lease for a reasonable in-house cost. Is this not the case for US production? I know that sets get destroyed very quickly but never gave much thought before to period props and costumes. gently caress I'll miss this stupid, adorable, brilliant show - please give us at least one associated "What If" D+! The aforementioned article also makes it clear there was always a balancing act in fuckery from both ABC and the MCU bosses - so hopefully without ABC in the mix, something additional can come from this. Still if nothing happens, I remain satisfied - we essentially got two endings with Season 5 and Season 7.
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, I wish they'd brought back all of the remaining characters for one last bang for some reason. Daisy's dad, Deathlok, Robbie Reyes, etc etc. Imagine Robbie Reyez ripping out of the Quantum Realm with a flaming, Ghost-Ridered up Zephyr or Quinjet. 
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SubNat posted:Imagine Robbie Reyez ripping out of the Quantum Realm with a flaming, Ghost-Ridered up Zephyr or Quinjet. Lola or bust.
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