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Anno posted:A new Introducing CK3 video - Money The timing works out; tomorrow is exactly two weeks before the release date so I suspect that's when the embargo lifts.
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So one of my buddies is picking up ck3 since he's been intrigued when I talk about ck2 but never got into it. I usually play singleplayer so what's the best way to play multi in this game? Should we start as vassals in the same country or what? We'll probably want to avoid being directly competitive since he's a noob, but he's a big Stellaris fan so he's not completely new to the grand-strat genre at least.
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Aug 17, 2020 16:35
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yorkinshire posted:So one of my buddies is picking up ck3 since he's been intrigued when I talk about ck2 but never got into it. I usually play singleplayer so what's the best way to play multi in this game? Should we start as vassals in the same country or what? We'll probably want to avoid being directly competitive since he's a noob, but he's a big Stellaris fan so he's not completely new to the grand-strat genre at least. If you want to do some co-op the new Dynasty mechanic is perfect for it. You both pick a branch of the same dynasty and do your thing, earning renown for your dynasty together. Whoever is the most powerful will be the dynastic head and will be the one to choose the upgrades though.
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Aug 17, 2020 17:03
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And I don't know what the setup is going to be in CK3 but maybe find some realm with seniority succession, or one of the new rotating types they've mentioned, and then you would both have a chance to be the top dog once you strike out on your own?
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Aug 17, 2020 18:00
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I had a super fun game as (Norse) Namsborg in 936 recently. Prepared an invasion for Brittany and managed to take it all without French interference. Started getting lots of bishops, but also a few muslim conversion attempts which eventually allowed me to become Muslim. Used the Muslim holy order to nibble away at West Francia, who were constantly struggling with a powerful independent Aquitaine. Eventually got crushed by a holy war but I really enjoyed it while it lasted.
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Aug 17, 2020 20:22
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another video from the ck3 spain stream is up btw
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Aug 17, 2020 21:23
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I’d imagine a run as 2 super-dukes in HRE could be fun since the top person will switch around and you can combine votes when one of you needs a push to get the crown?
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Aug 17, 2020 21:27
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hard counter posted:another video from the ck3 spain stream is up btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXrXoEZLBc
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Aug 17, 2020 21:49
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Gasmask posted:I had a super fun game as (Norse) Namsborg in 936 recently. Prepared an invasion for Brittany and managed to take it all without French interference. Started getting lots of bishops, but also a few muslim conversion attempts which eventually allowed me to become Muslim. Used the Muslim holy order to nibble away at West Francia, who were constantly struggling with a powerful independent Aquitaine. Eventually got crushed by a holy war but I really enjoyed it while it lasted. I had been playing a game as Davit II of Georgia in the 936 start recently as well. Made it about 190 years before Abbasids delanded me. The end was super gamey though and I wish I hadn’t been playing Ironman so I could try it again. I had taken all of Azerbaijan while the Abbasids were fighting the growing Seljuks. About 30 years later the Abbasids declared on me and won easily. I was left with like 4 counties just north of the Caucasus and immediately swore fealty to the pechenegs. The Pechenegs were huge, including all of Hungary and Novogorod (but not Bulgaria which remained its own empire). Less than 3 years after I swore fealty, the khan died and the Hungarian section split off into a separate Carpathian empire. For some reason, that was the empire I got split off into. So the still huge Pecheneg part is still right above me, but now my counties are a dark orange exclave of the Carpathian empire. So the Abbasids declared again and game over’d me.
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Aug 17, 2020 22:35
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The North Tower posted:I’d imagine a run as 2 super-dukes in HRE could be fun since the top person will switch around and you can combine votes when one of you needs a push to get the crown? For multi-player? I always had this idea of setting a mp game with friends were each starts as a vassal of either HRE or Byz and whoever becomes emperor first wins Never tried it, though
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Aug 17, 2020 22:45
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Elias_Maluco posted:For multi-player? I always had this idea of setting a mp game with friends were each starts as a vassal of either HRE or Byz and whoever becomes emperor first wins Yeah multi player, since you basically have double the electoral votes. If it’s you and your friend at 1st and 2nd place, go wild on killing each other, but otherwise back whoever’s closest. Becoming emperor first seems like it might be a bit short of a game but I’d try it if I had any friends who played. Alternatively, Byzantine death match with however many players this game allows.
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Aug 18, 2020 01:45
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This is gonna be on game pass at launch, right? Do we have any idea if multiplayer will work with one player on steam and another on gamepass? My friend is thinking about trying to get into it with me, but they'll be trying it out on gamepass since $50 is a big ask for someone who isn't certain they'll like it right now.
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Aug 18, 2020 07:53
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Those performances are painful to watch. I hope some decent let's players can publish their playthroughs soon.
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Aug 18, 2020 08:30
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ilitarist posted:Those performances are painful to watch. I hope some decent let's players can publish their playthroughs soon. Actually this is some top tier content judging from the standards of what development studios put out. I hope these two do an actual lets play post release.
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Aug 18, 2020 09:26
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Peachy Poo posted:This is gonna be on game pass at launch, right? yeah, between this and MS Flight Sim this is a great month for the game pass. Although I guess I'll get the steam version eventually just for workshop support. ilitarist posted:Those performances are painful to watch. I hope some decent let's players can publish their playthroughs soon. lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. They seem like nice guys but yeah...
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Aug 18, 2020 09:50
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Eh, CK2 is far more fun than other games when you gently caress up, deliberately or otherwise.
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Aug 18, 2020 09:58
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fuf posted:lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. They seem like nice guys but yeah... They laugh and seem to be having a good time. I hold no animosity towards them. They probably went for "your slightly drunk friends show you the game" vibe.
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Aug 18, 2020 10:04
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Whorelord posted:Eh, CK2 is far more fun than other games when you gently caress up, deliberately or otherwise. oh I don't mind if they are bad at the game, I just think they are kinda bad at talking to the audience and each other
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Aug 18, 2020 12:30
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New DD on all of the Legacies. All of them look pretty fun to me. I’m sure Blood will get a lot of the headlines as people dive into eugenics but I kinda of want to try Kin first and see just how large a dynasty I can spread.
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Peachy Poo posted:This is gonna be on game pass at launch, right? Do we have any idea if multiplayer will work with one player on steam and another on gamepass? My friend is thinking about trying to get into it with me, but they'll be trying it out on gamepass since $50 is a big ask for someone who isn't certain they'll like it right now. presumably it would be fine as having Paradox accounts is a thing in their games
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Lmao that blood loving sucks and offers the least to your bloodline  I think a strong opener is going to be Vibrant Court, followed by Desirable Match and then maxing out Kin, possibly getting House of Warriors somewhere in between the Kin traits. This way you can stack up skilled knights early (court) and build a large dynasty through marriages and when you've maxed out Kin you always have a healthy supply of extremely powerful warriors in your dynasty. Edit: Also all the traits that increase a lifestyle xp type by 10% loving suck and they should be ashamed of using filler junk like that in an otherwise stellar feature. Demiurge4 fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Aug 18, 2020 15:33
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smdh that blood doesn't let you pick Mandibular Prognathism as your inherited trait of choice
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Aug 18, 2020 15:36
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Honestly, if it’s just 2% for a trait, I think I’ll pick up some mod that turns them all on. Just open up the genetic floodgates and bring on the giant beautiful albino lizard people
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The flat +5 life expectancy one is the one I'm most excited about for modding. Creating a species with long but not eternal lives was a bit of a pain for fantasy mods before, since you had to fake a health/aging system for them using the immortal perk but forcing a death anyway
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Aug 18, 2020 16:48
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Kin and Erudition look the most fun to me for how I like to play.
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Aug 18, 2020 17:34
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Like a lot of the new stuff in CK3, part of me is more excited for how modders and expansions extrapolate out the mechanics than how it will be on release.
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Demiurge4 posted:Lmao that blood loving sucks and offers the least to your bloodline I find it interesting that genetic traits now come in tiers. They wrote about "Beauty (Tier 1), Physique (Tier 1), Intelligence (Tier 1)", so there are stronger versions of these traits. And with the Convergent Blood legacy, you increase your chance to breed higher tiers of genetic traits. Since we don't know how much powerful these traits are, I wouldn't discount the blood legacies as the weakest ones yet.
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Aug 18, 2020 19:02
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Torrannor posted:I find it interesting that genetic traits now come in tiers. They wrote about "Beauty (Tier 1), Physique (Tier 1), Intelligence (Tier 1)", so there are stronger versions of these traits. And with the Convergent Blood legacy, you increase your chance to breed higher tiers of genetic traits. Since we don't know how much powerful these traits are, I wouldn't discount the blood legacies as the weakest ones yet. It's basically the new version of how you had quick/genius and tall/giant and such, isn't it?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's basically the new version of how you had quick/genius and tall/giant and such, isn't it? That is how quick/genius worked but tall is a mod I think. Base game just has giant, which is a negative genetic trait (purple instead of green heart)
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ilitarist posted:They laugh and seem to be having a good time. I hold no animosity towards them. They probably went for "your slightly drunk friends show you the game" vibe. That's exactly the vibe they're going for and they're doing it well, showing off a ton about the game in an approachable way, and demonstrating the game at its best: as an unpredictable absurd story-telling engine.
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I thought the second stream was hugely entertaining. Sister shenanigans! Kidnapping the king of France! More scheming than you can shake a stick at, and add in some civil war! Brilliant. I'm really looking forward to tomorrow's stream.
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Ham posted:That's exactly the vibe they're going for and they're doing it well, showing off a ton about the game in an approachable way, and demonstrating the game at its best: as an unpredictable absurd story-telling engine. Eh, it's not for me. I remember watching Stellaris streams with Wiz before release and I liked those much more even though I don't like Stellaris itself. Meanwhile we have Florryworry tweeting this so maybe he starts streaming soon. https://twitter.com/florryworry/status/1295778742996996097
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I have a few hours of time to kill on Friday, and thought I would make the CK3 thread then. Any title suggestions?
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Crusader Kings III: Gavelkind Inheritance
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Anno posted:New DD on all of the Legacies. The Glory capstone looks so good, +10 general opinion makes everything easier. Add in the +10 court opinion starter from Erudition, and everyone in your castle will be pretty happy with you.
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Anno posted:New DD on all of the Legacies. The one thing I'm not sure about is that if you can get a tier four or tier five legacy, that means you could, instead, invest those points into multiple tier one or two legacies. I'm not really sure the end-tier bonuses are strong enough to justify giving up multiple tier one/twos. I mean, some of them are situational like the whole Guile legacy, but most of them are pretty general and should help you at least some of the time, at least up until they start hitting the "lifestyle experience" tier. Like, if you have 4000 renown, you could invest it into Inherited Tactics. Or, you could get the first two ranks of Law which makes it so that you can put dynasty members in control of newly-conquered territory and have it become productive sooner, and still have points left over for one other perk, like Vibrant Court which just seems generally useful for everyone. The tier five perks look good, I just don't know if they're equal to five tier one perks (or say three tier one perks and a tier two perk). I might be tempted to "generalize" my dynasty rather than focus down any specific path.
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Magil Zeal posted:The one thing I'm not sure about is that if you can get a tier four or tier five legacy, that means you could, instead, invest those points into multiple tier one or two legacies. I'm not really sure the end-tier bonuses are strong enough to justify giving up multiple tier one/twos. I mean, some of them are situational like the whole Guile legacy, but most of them are pretty general and should help you at least some of the time, at least up until they start hitting the "lifestyle experience" tier. Like, if you have 4000 renown, you could invest it into Inherited Tactics. Or, you could get the first two ranks of Law which makes it so that you can put dynasty members in control of newly-conquered territory and have it become productive sooner, and still have points left over for one other perk, like Vibrant Court which just seems generally useful for everyone. The tier five perks look good, I just don't know if they're equal to five tier one perks (or say three tier one perks and a tier two perk). I might be tempted to "generalize" my dynasty rather than focus down any specific path. Not specializing might be the optimal play in a vacuum, but that's not a bad thing. First it obviously depends how useful those legacies are. Are you a vassal in a big Catholic realm, surrounded by other Catholic realms? You likely get less out of the warfare legacies than if you had tons of heathens to holy war directly on your doorstep, just as an example. Different cultures have different technologies, so maybe there's a synergy you want to exploit, or a weakness you want to shore up with a legacy. Same with different religions having quite varied mechanics. Also, you might just invest heavily into a tree for roleplaying reasons, or because you never did so before. You should also keep in mind that the currency you use to level up those legacies, renown, is also the one you use as the head of your dynasty to keep your relatives in check. Like disinheriting a family member, stopping wars between dynasts, forcing them to convert to your religion, getting claims on lands held by family members, etc. So it remains to be seen how fast you accumulate renown, and how often you will want to invest it in legacies, instead of disinheriting your firstborn so that your genius second son inherits, or to get a claim on the Kingdom of Scotland that one of your kinsmen inherited, etc. And ironically, because you get more renown the more members of your dynasty hold titles without being vassals under other dynasts, the more tempted you might be to spend renown on those dynasty actions.
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In my own arrogance, Denmark apparently copied my playbook, and is now one of the largest empires across Europe and Asia. What a loving embarrassment. They even managed to snatch a chunk of England out from under my nose!
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I started another 936 game as Bernard the Dane and it’s been going pretty rough, playing as 6 characters across 80 years. The de Normandie liege‘s culture converted to French right away so now more of them are French than are Norman. This of course means that they forfeited their right to the duchy and i need to take it. But the opportunities just aren’t coming. I inherited some counties in Aquitaine thanks to marriage, and actually became vassal to the Occitan duke when that happened. After many early deaths of male count rulers, usually due to sickness, I jumped to a young daughter and had a wonderfully talented dwarf chancellor raise my opinion with numerous counts to make allies and a quick claim on Maine, and successfully broke away from my liege for immediacy with the king. This allowed me to declare on the duke who had Maine. Two wars and two white peaces later, my 28-y.o. high martial+diplomacy girl ruler was assassinated jfk style and I’m back to square one: little daughter inherits Contentin, younger sister inherits Caen, and cousins take the two other counties we inherited in Aquitaine. And I’m broke from the two conquest wars I lost. Sigh. I think the reason I got assassinated was because I started sleeping around with a duke I wasn’t married to. Got the “spouse so mad hes breakin furniture” event like a month before it happened, and he was my spymaster.
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Torrannor posted:I have a few hours of time to kill on Friday, and thought I would make the CK3 thread then. Any title suggestions? CK3: Death Sounds Abound
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