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Sickening posted:Oko dominated standard completely on its own since the start of that standard season and it still took 6 weeks. IE, half the standard season. Field of the Dead/Golos were more powerful because Oko couldn't touch field or stop its zombies. So, well, um, you're wrong. Crackbone posted:If you're a lapsed player going to an organized play event, you still have to check the current ban list, so that's not really a concern. I didn't think about the fact mobile devices use is ban from tournaments though, would def. makes it a bigger pain in the rear end. It's infinitely easier to say Wilderness Reclamation is not allowed than to say the card has a different mana cost or its ability is completely rechanged so that multiples don't stack. How many more cognitive layers does it need to see the card and remember "the card is not allowed" than "the 3 is a 4" and "the ability is no longer a triggered ability but instead modifies the conditions of the game"? How much easier is it to tell Teferi, Time Raveler is a no-no, compared to Teferi, Time Raveler is mostly the same but the -3 is a -4, something that cannot be determined by seeing the card itself? Either way the card as printed is not allowed, one is just way more complicated and stupider. Furthermore, I don't know why the assumption is WOTC would be way happier about doing errata, instead of taking forever to errata just the same as they ban. It's still a big move that changes how in-print product relates to playing the game, that is publicly announced as correcting a mistake, after all.
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Lone Goat posted:This sums it up perfectly. In a world where you can no longer trust what the words on the cards say, you might as well not even have words on them. Sounds like we just need to make textless full art versions every card to fix this.
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Aug 18, 2020 19:00
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The people who are arguing for errata have never played competitive REL, have they? The errata affects competitive players the most, since competitive play is the reason why cards are banned. If you don't even play competitively then why do you care, and also you don't know how incredibly annoying it would be to have to call a judge every single time there's a dispute as to what a card actually does. You're not allowed to look at oracle text on your mobile device--a judge has to do it for you. fadam posted:Which set do you guys think had the best balance of having powerful and fun cards that were playable in eternal formats without loving over standard? Innistrad? Just individual sets, or the whole block? Because Innistrad's got a few insanely powerful cards, but Shadows over Innistrad felt kinda underpowered. Llorwyn block has: Thoughtseize Mulldrifter is in vintage cube Ponder Silvergill adept Doran Boggart Harbinger Cryptic Command Bitterblossom Scapeshift Vendilion Clique
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Aug 18, 2020 19:05
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Vidmaster posted:Sounds like we just need to make textless full art versions every card to fix this. Textless Cryptic Command was a world class prank.
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Aug 18, 2020 19:12
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Yo ima let you finish but Invasion-Odyssey was the best standard of all time
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Aug 18, 2020 19:22
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The best set of all time was Rise of the Eldrazi. Best limited format, added a bunch of powerful, but niche cards to every format. Obviously perfect.
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People already make stupid mistakes on Arena all the goddamn time with Ashiok/Fabled Passage and Narset/any card draw just off the top of my head, and that's with the card text literally right in front of your face. Power level errata in paper is a monumentally stupid idea.
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Aug 18, 2020 19:30
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What if wizards handled hosed up cards by printing replacement cards with updated stats/abilities/whatever, plus a special symbol on them that shows they're the replacement card, and then letting anyone trade any copy of the badwrong banned card for the plusgood new card, and then you only have to memorize the banlist but you can also keep using a given card if you want by getting the new card? Of course that would make the bancard artificially more rare in the market so its value would rise and then it'd be a case of, do you want to trade a costly card for maybe a cheaper one (or it'd also be rarer so it's also be more valuable?) so you can play it in play? Plus the whole thing with mailing cards, and condition, etc. yeah this is a dumb idea
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Aug 18, 2020 19:44
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Functional errata to what is printed on the text of a card is a terrible idea. The way you fix a card that's too powerful as printed is to catch it in playtesting and change it before printing or ban it. Those are the only two options you should ever think about. Companions were already a mistake (and Lutri got done dirty twice besides)
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Speaking of functional errata how's that recent PW targetting rule change coming along? Does anyone know off hand if there are standard legal cards that are errata'd still? edit: By far what annoys me most is when they KNOW a change is coming, but don't want to spoil it, so they end up printing a bunch of cards that will receive errata shortly. See colourless mana symbols. I can't actually think of another example, so this might be the only one, but idk.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:10
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sit on my Facebook posted:Yo ima let you finish but Invasion-Odyssey was the best standard of all time 
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I legitimately cannot believe anyone is suggesting errata'd paper cards. It would be a nightmare.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:20
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sit on my Facebook posted:Yo ima let you finish but Invasion-Odyssey was the best standard of all time Was that the Psychatog format or did that not happen until Torment?
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Aug 18, 2020 20:24
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psychatog is my favorite standard deck ever
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Aug 18, 2020 20:28
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And as far as the whole "Full art thing" You don't even have to shoot the moon with Cryptic command. Without looking it up on gatherer, tell me what this card does. 
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odiv posted:Speaking of functional errata how's that recent PW targetting rule change coming along? Does anyone know off hand if there are standard legal cards that are errata'd still? That one was super dumb. Not as dumb as errataing cards, but super super dumb.
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Kurieg posted:And as far as the whole "Full art thing" You don't even have to shoot the moon with Cryptic command. its an instant, Cascade, deal 4 damage to target creature?
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Bugsy posted:its an instant, Cascade, deal 4 damage to target creature? Yeah that one was easy since it's only like 9 words and was relevant in standard at the time. Cryptic Command is 4 lines of text, the order matters sometimes, and half the things target and half don't.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:38
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Lone Goat posted:Yeah that one was easy since it's only like 9 words and was relevant in standard at the time. counter bounce tap draw. Oughta have that tattooed.
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Aug 18, 2020 21:04
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ShaneB posted:I legitimately cannot believe anyone is suggesting errata'd paper cards. It would be a nightmare. And I'm not a huge fan of them. Having more as a strategy for keeping Standard playable would be worse, I agree.
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Aug 18, 2020 21:13
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Kurieg posted:And as far as the whole "Full art thing" You don't even have to shoot the moon with Cryptic command. Having never played the card before, nor having played in a standard where the t was legal, I had everything down except I thought it was a sorcery, not an instant. (having it blow up an angel, which are usually 4/4 led me to 4 damage, not 5 damage conclusion). I thought cascade on an instant would be busted, so I went with sorcery, not instant. On the other hand, I have no idea what the order is for cryptic command, nor half the modes.
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Aug 18, 2020 21:47
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textless chains of mephistopheles was a huge mistake
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah in like a year and a half lol Pretty sure we can play paper magic here right now! (I wouldn't)
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Aug 18, 2020 22:19
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Leperflesh posted:What if wizards handled hosed up cards by printing replacement cards with updated stats/abilities/whatever, plus a special symbol on them that shows they're the replacement card, and then letting anyone trade any copy of the badwrong banned card for the plusgood new card, and then you only have to memorize the banlist but you can also keep using a given card if you want by getting the new card? yeah good luck with any of this if USPS gets shuttered lmao
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Aug 18, 2020 22:40
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I too want to diligently post my cards to the local wotc distributor every time there's errata to a card
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Aug 18, 2020 22:48
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OK wait hear me out, now: what if you could print off your errata'd card and slide that into your card protector over the actual card, and then definitely 100% nobody would make fake ones with different "errata" on them
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Aug 18, 2020 23:00
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Print cards with no text and sell an app that does AR. If wifi is down, you can't play your game, but at least app profits will go up!
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AlphaKeny1 posted:Print cards with no text and sell an app that does AR. If wifi is down, you can't play your game, but at least app profits will go up! will it also squeeze juice?
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I have a solution for physical magic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlL3-u4zEao
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AlphaKeny1 posted:Print cards with no text and sell an app that does AR. If wifi is down, you can't play your game, but at least app profits will go up! I know you’re joking, but the XWing minis game does that. Points costs and several of the mini abilities aren’t printed on the cards and are updated via an app. The app is trash and everybody uses 3rd party solutions.
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Didn’t they do an errata-lite with the companions like 3 months ago? No one would ever know of the additional costs if they weren’t told from an outside source.
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If they do the errata thing, my R&D's Secret Lair deck will become that much stronger.
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meanolmrcloud posted:Didn’t they do an errata-lite with the companions like 3 months ago? No one would ever know of the additional costs if they weren’t told from an outside source. Yeah but that was a bit different since Companion doesn't say what it does on the card.
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LeafHouse posted:Yeah but that was a bit different since Companion doesn't say what it does on the card. Surely the tournament world is going to implode. People are going to have to call for a judge!
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meanolmrcloud posted:Didn’t they do an errata-lite with the companions like 3 months ago? No one would ever know of the additional costs if they weren’t told from an outside source. luckily italicized words don't actually exist so nothing changed!
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Aug 19, 2020 00:53
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What if Wizards stopped breaking the game every 3 months?
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I hope they make more companions.
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meanolmrcloud posted:Didn’t they do an errata-lite with the companions like 3 months ago? No one would ever know of the additional costs if they weren’t told from an outside source. It was stupid that they did that but it was the only way to fix companion without having to ban companions from every format. They hosed up so bad they had to gently caress up to un-gently caress up . It's only slightly salvaged in that Companion on the printed card only lists the conditions, like for Lurrus it says quote:Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has converted mana cost 2 or less. both before and after the nerf. But not very.
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Sickening posted:Surely the tournament world is going to implode. People are going to have to call for a judge! I'm in favor of errata but only because shouting JUDGE is the most fun part of tournament magic
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fadam posted:Which set do you guys think had the best balance of having powerful and fun cards that were playable in eternal formats without loving over standard? Innistrad? Alara block. 0 bans in standard, then they banned a few of the cards from Modern, but sheepishly had to unban them because they were never actually the problem.
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