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BrigadierSensible posted:That reminds me of a question I have. Wow, this question is incredibly racist. Asking about a culture's comedy is highly problematic. You don't just see me asking about american comedy, do you? Assuming Americans even like to laugh? You know what? You are cancelled. You are a swine and should be ashamed of yourself for asking terrible things like this online.
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I'd assume that provided it doesn't critique the government, the range of comedy would be roughly same you see here - cheap, blue and physical.
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From what I've seen on tv it was a lot of just little skits or famous chinese people doing little skits or famous people having to do dumb stuff in a friendly competition, lots of improv and stand up stuff in front of a live audience. There were some comedy drama shows too that apparently had been running for a long time that were about a family living in a rural town or a city and their lives but also funny stuff happens. They also seem to have quite a fan base for Rowan Atkinson's Mr Bean but that could just be from the small slice I was exposed to, China has so many people that a niche base looks huge. Flannelette fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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WarpedNaba posted:I'd assume that provided it doesn't critique the government, the range of comedy would be roughly same you see here - cheap, blue and physical. Flannelette posted:From what I've seen on tv it was a lot of just little skits or famous chinese people doing little skits or famous people having to do dumb stuff in a friendly competition, lots of improv and stand up stuff in front of a live audience. There were some comedy drama shows too that apparently had been running for a long time that were about a family living in a rural town or a city and their lives but also funny stuff happens. Cheers. I didn't see many Chinese comedy films. Most of the stuff that I saw being released was Sword and Sorcery type stuff. Or Journey to the West reboot version 3.7 etc. vandalism posted:Wow, this question is incredibly racist. Asking about a culture's comedy is highly problematic. You don't just see me asking about american comedy, do you? Assuming Americans even like to laugh? You know what? You are cancelled. You are a swine and should be ashamed of yourself for asking terrible things like this online. If it helps, everything you say is true, and I hate myself more than you could ever know. I guess my mother was right, one day I would be found out for the worthless wastrell I truly am. BrigadierSensible fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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The other weird thing about tankie s and marxism is this. Carl Marx wrote "DAS KAPITAL" in 1867. The world has changed and devolved alot since then.
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Ups_rail posted:The other weird thing about tankie s and marxism is this. Communism. Communism never changes.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Cheers. Lots of them are Sword and Sorcery both in movies and tv shows it's very popular. There's some good comedy movies, they have a different feel than the HK comedy movies. Let the Bullets Fly is a pretty good action comedy.
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Ups_rail posted:The other weird thing about tankie s and marxism is this. I'd agree but on a different point - Communism's greatest weakness has always been its complete inability to harness base human nature, which is unchanging and eternal.
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I'm gonna jump in to this conversation to add that according to Jeremy Friedman in 'Shadow Cold War:Sino-Soviet Conflict' the author thinks that one of the reasons for russian and chinese hostility was their different view of socialism (different solution for a different problem). Russian Empire was a western superpower whose main agenda was anti-capitalism against western world. For Chinese (asian non-industrialized) the leading thought was removing colonial presence from China (and from their "sphere") and building a prosperous and unified nation without any foreign interference, hence anti-imperialism turned into their main ideological current. So in their mind there isn't any problem with capitalist China if it leads to strong, prosperous and unified China without foreign interference.
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the reason why they shofted to capitalism was historical materialism. you gotta do the capitalism before the socialism, no skipping, they tried skipping and it didnt go well the problem w this is that it replicates the original problems of capitalism that marx identified in painstaking and complete detail lol
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Hiekkakauppias posted:I'm gonna jump in to this conversation to add that according to Jeremy Friedman in 'Shadow Cold War:Sino-Soviet Conflict' the author thinks that one of the reasons for russian and chinese hostility was their different view of socialism (different solution for a different problem). Russian Empire was a western superpower whose main agenda was anti-capitalism against western world. Going to call BS on that claim. Anti-capitalism was very much a central ideological focus of China up until the 1980s. The two largest domestic movements in China after the civil war, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, were wholly concerned with the anti-capitalist aspects of Communism in China. The Great Leap Forward was Mao's attempt at turning China into an agrarian Communist society. After it failed, Mao was sidelined and the rest of the Politburo began to pursue more market-oriented policies to undo the damage. Angered about losing power and fearing that the revolution was being betrayed, Mao launched the Cultural Revolution to attack "revisionists" and "capitalist roaders" he claimed had taken over the senior parts of the CCP. He called on the youth of China to essentially create a second communist revolution in China, using any means necessary. What results is almost another civil war in China, and it leaves the country in ruins. After all of that, it wasn't difficult for the post-Mao political leadership to think "let's do the opposite of what we've been doing for the past 20 years," and for the rest of China to follow along. If you're a person in China old enough to remember when it was a "proper" Communist country, you'd also remember how poor and destitute you were back then. But under the "capitalist" China, you would have seen your standard of living dramatically rise. People aren't going to give a gently caress about their country not following the rules of political labels when ignoring those rules means you and your kids aren't starving. CIGNX fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Haramstufe Rot posted:On the grand scale, abolition of capitalism is believed to be the most important goal of humanity that will, eventually, save millions or billions of lives. This is unironically true.
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prc has contributed by fuckin it up really hard and giving another example of how not to do it
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"We will save millions of lives" says people whose ideology causes millions of deaths every single time it's put into practice
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LordArgh posted:"We will save millions of lives" says people whose ideology causes millions of deaths every single time it's put into practice Capitalism is making the planet uninhabitable, it's the worst thing to have ever happened to the biosphere and thus humanity.
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The point is moot because the world is rapidly turning into a hellscape unable to sustain our organic husks. So let's focus on which brand we'll entrust our brain to and which side we'll be on in the robot wars of 2088.
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Mantis42 posted:Capitalism is making the planet uninhabitable, it's the worst thing to have ever happened to the biosphere and thus humanity. Communism doesn't have a great track record of caring about the environment either
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No, it doesn't, but Communism does not require infinite growth as it's baseline. Capitalism does, which means that there can never be a version of it that doesn't lead to resource exhaustion and climate death. That's only avoidable through either some kind of anti-industrial primitivism (undesirable for most) or a system where resources are democratically controlled and production for profit does not exist.
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Media Bloodbath posted:2088. Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Yeah, no, that's a stretch
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LordArgh posted:"We will save millions of lives" says people whose ideology causes millions of deaths every single time it's put into practice No different from the nazis, pure evil
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Mantis42 posted:This is unironically true. Which is why tankies keep popping up and now the environmental equivalent of tankies, they're right in the grand scheme but have completely dogmatic ends justify any means views so they'll excuse things like Tienanmen square even though it achieved nothing towards what they actually want.
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While I'm as happy to rag on about the great unwashed as much as anyone, I feel we're getting a little off thread-topic. In China-related news: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53840167 You guys weren't making GBS threads about the food shortage thing, although I can't imagine there's much they can actually do to significant;y reduce domestic consumption without firing off red flags in the populace.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Cheers. poo poo dude, I was just trolling. Sorry if I caused some trauma  your question wasn't racist. Everyone is racist if this makes it any better.
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vandalism posted:poo poo dude, I was just trolling. Sorry if I caused some trauma Relax mate. I was joking. I know I am not a worthless wastrell, and my mother iis wrong about nearly everything. We cool.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Relax mate. I was joking. Dang... hoisted by my own petard. Well... glad you are ok anyway 
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Flannelette posted:Which is why tankies keep popping up and now the environmental equivalent of tankies, they're right in the grand scheme but have completely dogmatic ends justify any means views so they'll excuse things like Tienanmen square even though it achieved nothing towards what they actually want. It's one of those ironies where the "capitalist" governments can end up with (socialist) environmental regulations, while the "socialist" governments can end up running massive unregulated exploitation for (capitalist) personal gain - even after agreeing to the same regulations. I figure it's got more to do with representative government vs. authoritarian, though. https://spo.nmfs.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/pdf-content/mfr761-21.pdf See also: Places like Norilsk, China's gigantic fishing fleet's exploits/strip-mining coral reefs in the SCS
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I've yet to see a form of government that's better than capitalism with Scandinavian characteristics, but I might be biased
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Welp. "China has responded to a controversial photo of its ambassador to Kiribati walking on the backs of locals, which sparked debate about cultural practices and China’s rising influence in the Pacific. The picture, shared widely on social media, shows Chinese ambassador Tang Songgen visiting the island of Marakei earlier this month. He can be seen stepping along the backs of a row of people lying on the ground while holding the hands of two women either side of him." https://www.news.com.au/technology/...2917c34e40b787f
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Mantis42 posted:Capitalism is making the planet uninhabitable, it's the worst thing to have ever happened to the biosphere and thus humanity. 呵呵
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The thing I kinda get about the appeal of whataboutism arguments, is that in theory, we have some minute nominal control over the lovely things the American government does via voting, whereas the CCP is entirely authoritarian and no amount of bitching and moaning from westerners will ever change what they do. Still doesn't stop the CCP from being a corrupt, incompetent, and evil institution. Kharnifex posted:Welp. What the gently caress.
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A hosed up situation for sure. As a diplomat, having to turn down walking on children and angering the people you’re supposed to make friends with is not a good look. But accepting and making your country look bad is not a winner either. What would a western diplomat have done in that situation? E: Kiribati took the traditional jokes at the expense of foreign diplomats a bit too far. You’re only supposed to make them eat pig poo poo while telling them it’s a local delicacy and make them compliment you on the flavor, not trample your children and watch them squirm to explain how it’s actually a gesture of respect for your traditions to do it. HerStuddMuffin fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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HerStuddMuffin posted:A hosed up situation for sure. As a diplomat, having to turn down walking on children and angering the people you’re supposed to make friends with is not a good look. But accepting and making your country look bad is not a winner either. A western diplomat's staff would have figured out well in advance that such a thing was being proposed, and would launch into a bunch of negotiations ahead of time to work out how to stage a ceremony that would make everyone either equally happy or equally unhappy -- you know, DIPLOMACY.
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loving lmao. I guess that’s what being a full day ahead of the world does to you
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MyronMulch posted:A western diplomat's staff would have figured out well in advance that such a thing was being proposed, and would launch into a bunch of negotiations ahead of time to work out how to stage a ceremony that would make everyone either equally happy or equally unhappy -- you know, DIPLOMACY. This; It's call due diligence, or less fancy, homework. poo poo, that picture of them in Syria with 2 beat up boxes of "medical supplies" delivered in a stop over tells you exactly how much homework they do and thier view on diplomacy. If you do the homework even if you don't care it makes it look like you care or at least aware. They were better off not delivering anything. In contrast, Taiwan was sending aid by multiple pallet loads to everyone including the US.  When everybody were and still are getting defective orders from China they start victim blaming. Why the gently caress would you do that? I say it again, it's like their state department is run by wilfully ignorant fresh off the UFO aliens.
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It feels like they don't actually give a crap, because the media at home won't report on it anyway and that's who matters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nNljv0MOw China remakes Journey to the West for the 1.4 billionth time. 
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I just don't get it. It's not even a good story. There's a monkey who is a six year old's D&D character and beats up everything and uh... like 70% of the book is just nothing at all. Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a loving slog of a book but the core of the story is great, I get why that one is so central to East Asian mythmaking.
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Grand Fromage posted:I just don't get it. It's not even a good story. There's a monkey who is a six year old's D&D character and beats up everything and uh... like 70% of the book is just nothing at all. Holy poo poo, DB really was a spiritual adaption?
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