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the guy whos mad about racemixing watering down your bloodline is the villain tho Like the point is 'yes if a bunch more japanese people had kids with foreigners thered be less pure japanese people, but who cares'
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Aug 21, 2020 02:57
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Arist posted:It waffles between really direct, specific anger at racial categorization and how the wealthy especially enable and propagate it, and "The Illuminati are doing secret blood rituals to control our minds! Race mixing waters down your bloodline! Minorities are emotional and dangerous and a threat to society in large numbers!" a lot of people have complained about the “minorities are dangerous and can explode at the slightest provocation” thing (nirvasyl syndrome) but the show went out of its way to establish that anyone can suffer from it, its just a metaphor for furious rage, even the super inbred human leader guy gets it when hes cornered. ultimately i think the beastmen arent a metaphor for minorities, but instead a more general metaphor for any poor and downtrodden people. the show is an anthem for passion, and the beastmen are passionate, not emotional. the “illuminati” trying to develop a drug to remove that passion is pretty real as well. ultimately i think the reason people have trouble with the messaging is because they read it as a racial allegory instead of a class allegory, which is immediately a flawed interpretation because the main character goes from being “human” to being a “beastman,” something thats supposed to be impossible and could change the world if discovered. that only really works with a class based interpretation.
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Aug 21, 2020 02:58
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Coaaab posted:soul eater 
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Aug 21, 2020 03:02
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Soul Eater Talk To The Hand Soul Eater That Was Awkward Soul Eater As If
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Aug 21, 2020 03:06
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Endorph posted:the guy whos mad about racemixing watering down your bloodline is the villain tho That doesn't really scan when the villain being of pure blood also gives him goddamn superpowers and makes him immortal. Like, for all intents and purposes what we are shown seems to confirm that yes, mixing bloodlines makes you weaker. scary ghost dog posted:a lot of people have complained about the “minorities are dangerous and can explode at the slightest provocation” thing (nirvasyl syndrome) but the show went out of its way to establish that anyone can suffer from it, its just a metaphor for furious rage, even the super inbred human leader guy gets it when hes cornered. ultimately i think the beastmen arent a metaphor for minorities, but instead a more general metaphor for any poor and downtrodden people. the show is an anthem for passion, and the beastmen are passionate, not emotional. the “illuminati” trying to develop a drug to remove that passion is pretty real as well. The problem is that the show's fundamental messaging is much more analogous to race than anything else. If it is supposed to be a class metaphor, it's too tied into that language of "humans" vs. "beastmen," and never adequately provides a non-essentialist viewpoint on why those rowdy beastmen are always so violent. Also, rich people don't want there to not be any more poor people, they want the exact opposite? It kind of falls apart.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:10
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Where were you when Fubuki did a 3 hour stream commentating on Marine and Shion sleeping
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Aug 21, 2020 03:11
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Like, if anything it would make more sense along those lines if Alan was trying to turn everyone into a beastman to assert some kind of weird supremacy over them? Like, that's its own can of worms but it's at least a little less confusing that a rich guy would want to make everyone else the underclass?
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Aug 21, 2020 03:14
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Arist posted:That doesn't really scan when the villain being of pure blood also gives him goddamn superpowers and makes him immortal. Like, for all intents and purposes what we are shown seems to confirm that yes, mixing bloodlines makes you weaker.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:15
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Endorph posted:yes but also the villain is the bad guy. He is bad. He is an evil person. Frieza is super strong and has an intergalactic empire and the moral of dbz isnt 'landlords are the ubermensch' Him being the bad guy does not automatically mean every single thing he says is a lie. There's a lot of stuff in that speech that gives the audience no other adequate explanation and is never meaningfully contradicted and so we kind of have to take at face value. DBZ doesn't even really make sense as an example here because super tough dudes are dime a dozen in DBZ, but also because if you're not a Saiyan (and even if you're a Saiyan, if you're not Goku) in DBZ you might as well not show up to fights because you're probably just going to eat poo poo. e: Like, I'll grant that Alan going "we can't get Nirvasyl Syndrome!" is explicitly wrong, but then how can he do all that other poo poo if it was all untrue?
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Aug 21, 2020 03:21
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I thought Michiru and Nazuna were cute
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Aug 21, 2020 03:29
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turns out trying to stream a hard subbed rip of a hong kong vcd copy of a vhs release was a bad idea
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Aug 21, 2020 03:33
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Spiritus Nox posted:I thought Michiru and Nazuna were cute they are
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Aug 21, 2020 03:33
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I know Darth Vader is the bad guy, but I still can't help but feel like Star Wars endorses planetary destruction, and that's not OK
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Aug 21, 2020 03:35
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Arist posted:That doesn't really scan when the villain being of pure blood also gives him goddamn superpowers and makes him immortal. Like, for all intents and purposes what we are shown seems to confirm that yes, mixing bloodlines makes you weaker. 
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Aug 21, 2020 03:36
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Arist posted:That doesn't really scan when the villain being of pure blood also gives him goddamn superpowers and makes him immortal. Like, for all intents and purposes what we are shown seems to confirm that yes, mixing bloodlines makes you weaker. his strength is symbolic of his wealth and the power it grants him, and his plan is explicitly to trick all the beastmen into losing their minds by presenting them with a false messiah so he can imprison them and inject them with calming drugs.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:45
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My point is, what other explanation in the world of the show is given for these events? There isn't one. Having your villain say something is not the same thing as challenging it. It's just a confusing allegory, it doesn't mean I think Star Wars is pro-Death Star, jeez e: the problem with that bit in BNA is basically that if we don't accept the villain at their word there's just a gaping loving hole in the story I don't even think this is a massive deal, I just thought it was weird Arist fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Aug 21, 2020 03:54
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i agree that the finale of BNA muddies the show's message when it should be clarifying it. i don't think it ruins the whole show, it's just not a particularly well executed ending.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:11
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i think the message was maybe muddied up on purpose because if it wasnt then the bad guy would have won
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Aug 21, 2020 04:20
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what is BNA? I heard it once but I keep thinking of Boku No Hero Academia. 
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Aug 21, 2020 04:27
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it's what comes up if you google bna anime instead of writing STUPID posts
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Aug 21, 2020 04:28
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Acerbatus posted:what is BNA? I heard it once but I keep thinking of Boku No Hero Academia. Brand New Animal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNA:_Brand_New_Animal
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Aug 21, 2020 04:29
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I don't know what all the yelling is about but I'd like a 6hr probation so that we can get a casualty out of all this talk (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 21, 2020 04:30
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starbucks hermit posted:I don't know what all the yelling is about but I'd like a 6hr probation so that we can get a casualty out of all this talk just to be clear, a 6hr probation for myself
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Aug 21, 2020 04:32
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Space Flower posted:it's what comes up if you google bna anime instead of writing STUPID posts Then why didn't you google it for me, gotem
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Aug 21, 2020 04:33
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starbucks hermit posted:just to be clear, a 6hr probation for myself 
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Aug 21, 2020 04:37
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Acerbatus posted:what is BNA? I heard it once but I keep thinking of Boku No Hero Academia. boku no animal
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Aug 21, 2020 04:38
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Heya it's me! Goku!
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Aug 21, 2020 04:42
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Stairmaster posted:Heya it's me! Goku!
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Aug 21, 2020 04:44
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Oh no!
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Aug 21, 2020 04:52
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Argh!
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Aug 21, 2020 04:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF13PHEeJYA
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Aug 21, 2020 04:53
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if cell ate goku would cell have heart disease
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Aug 21, 2020 04:57
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Bugs don't have vascular systems like mammals do.homeless snail posted:if cell ate goku would cell have heart disease
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Aug 21, 2020 05:00
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the only thing cell was missing was a heart
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Aug 21, 2020 05:13
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Aurora posted:the only thing cell was missing was a heart Pretty sure he got 2 of those after eating the androids.
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Aug 21, 2020 05:28
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I think the biggest casualty of comiket not going on this year is: no arknights doujins. wanna see some cute comics about my daughter, red.
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Aug 21, 2020 05:54
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it's kind of painful when you think about how comiket genuinely supports tons of IPs
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Aug 21, 2020 06:03
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Arknights has some cool art but Im loving terrible at tower defense games and got stuck in chapter 2 and gave up.
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Aug 21, 2020 06:06
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i want an arknights doujin that has a panel where cardigan is in the background riding a rollercoaster and screaming "WOW, JET COASTAAAAAAA"
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Aug 21, 2020 06:07
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Arist posted:That doesn't really scan when the villain being of pure blood also gives him goddamn superpowers and makes him immortal. Like, for all intents and purposes what we are shown seems to confirm that yes, mixing bloodlines makes you weaker. It doesn't though? Like he literally says that he got his powers and immortality from bathing in the blood of 1000 dead beastmen, the same as Oogami
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Aug 21, 2020 06:53
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