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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Joe Biden was 51 years old when he raped Tara Reade 26 years ago, and denies it to this day without forgiveness from his victim. I feel like that should disqualify anyone from supporting him, especially if we're to disqualify someone who doesn't deny what they did when they were 14 and remains without forgiveness from his victim. Worth repeating, again, that almost nobody in here talking about this is voting for Biden or defending him.
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Aug 21, 2020 02:58
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spunkshui posted:There is a difference between being accused of a crime and openly admitting you did a crime. Hey there it is again. Haven't seen this in a while. Can't say I missed this fascinating leaps in logic. All Biden has to do is not admit it, I guess
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Aug 21, 2020 02:58
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Last time I asked if someone posting in defense of a rapist other than Joe Biden would get the same protections that the Biden defenders get, the petulant response I received from a mod was "we'll see if that ever happens". yeah I mean the rules aren't herstoy's fault, but this situation is exactly what people warned would happen, and it's pretty clear the exception to the rules was only ever intended to protect a liberal politician mods support, and wouldn't be extended to anyone else because that's totally unworkable when assault survivors complained that defenses of Biden violated the rules about being pro-abuser, they were told the rules can't be applied to major party politicians because that would be censoring mainstream political opinions. when it was pointed this exception was never applied to pro-Trump or pro-Kavanaugh posters in the past, they were told "well we weren't mods then or we would have done the same for them to preserve the marketplace of ideas". So now that rule is being put to the test and whoops the exception was only for Biden after all! Now that we're talking about a politician that Team Politics don't require us to support in order to be a Good Team Member, it's suddenly obvious how inherently gross and misogynistic these arguments are, just as it was obvious when they were being made about Trump and Kavanaugh. Neurolimal posted:This. Nobody is saying put him in prison for what he did at 14, but it absolutely should factor into whether or not he gets to enjoy one of the greatest privileges in the US. So long as his victim does not forgive him, I cannot forgive him.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:01
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Roland Jones posted:
Just an FYI the second picture was taken in 2017. This is a public free speech monument that people write on with chalk all the time and gets hosed down like twice a week. I would be willing to bet someone did put up bunch of pro Biden stuff before the interview and erased stuff (I have no idea what) to put it on but the specific BLM stuff from the second photo has been gone for a while.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:05
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Joe Biden was 51 years old when he raped Tara Reade 26 years ago, and denies it to this day without forgiveness from his victim. I feel like that should disqualify anyone from supporting him, especially if we're to disqualify someone who doesn't deny what they did when they were 14 and remains without forgiveness from his victim. So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. Seems like your system might be exploitable.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:05
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. This is a disgusting attempt to pretend that supporting politicians is the same as legal action. This is the exact same tactic used to defend abusers over and over again. It’s saddening to see it become the Democratic Party line. You can pretend to believe victims, but posts like this show your true feelings.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:08
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. Where are you going with this.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:09
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. This is the literal exact poo poo that people do to defend rapists all the time. You are loving disgusting and people like you should be banned.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:09
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Frankly, if anyone belongs in juvie hall, its revenge pornographers.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:09
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. You might note that no one here can throw Biden in jail or otherwise curtail his freedoms, so the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard is unnecessary. Our worst case scenario is the old rich guy doesn't get to be president, which isn't much of a punishment since virtually nobody gets to be president. Not sure why I'm bothering since you know this. Quick, Google a quote from Biden saying he didn't do it as proof of his innocence.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:10
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. believe woman.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:10
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Probably Magic posted:Where are you going with this. People would accuse people of crimes they did not commit? Where did you think I was going?
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Aug 21, 2020 03:10
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I will people the crimes, #MeToo was a travesty, I am spunkshui and am very smart. Vote Zentrum.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:12
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spunkshui posted:People would accuse people of crimes they did not commit? So why would they do that, in your opinion.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:12
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. I hope this is a lesson to anyone on the fence about leaving the Democratic party. If you stay in it, as it goes to the right it's gonna pull you to the right with it.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:13
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. So... people accused of crimes are automatically not guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed no crimes. Seems like your system might be exploitable.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:13
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spunkshui posted:People would accuse people of crimes they did not commit? Tell me why you think Tara Reade is lying.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:13
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spunkshui posted:People would accuse people of crimes they did not commit? Is there some specific incident you'd like to say didn't happen? Because this vagueposting garbage needs to stop from your end.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:13
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spunkshui posted:People would accuse people of crimes they did not commit? The idea that women will make up rape accusations just to get men in trouble is used to protect rapists. And you're fine with this line of thought?
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Aug 21, 2020 03:13
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Tell me why you think Tara Reade is lying. Same reason everyone does these days. Internet donations. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 21, 2020 03:15
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spunkshui posted:Same reason everyone does these days. ...yeah, okay.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:15
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Hes the good guy, those he supports are the good guys. This cannot be untrue and you filthy commies and your lying whores are trying to ruin it. Actual introspection is for the weak and degenerate. E: Holy poo poo i got oniond and he tripled down harder than my satire.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:15
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. hey Brett, I've been meaning to ask you, what is 'boofing' exactly?
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Aug 21, 2020 03:16
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spunkshui posted:Same reason everyone does these days. The questioning of spunkshui can cease, they've said the quiet part loud and now can peacefully await the verdict.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:17
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. So over the course of six hours taken after positing that Social Security doesn't actually get cut when it gets cut alongside every other program, you decided the best way to come back was with a reactionary talking point? If you're actually a teacher as you've posited in this thread before then, please, think of the children and quit your job because the principal clearly isn't doing his.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:17
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spunkshui posted:Same reason everyone does these days. I get that life sucks and politics is a horrible thing to consider, but repeating MRA talking points to argue for your position is not the way. Please log off, I don't get the sense you are actually this awful of a person.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:18
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spunkshui posted:So... people accused of crimes are automatically guilty and should be treated the same as those who committed crimes. spunkshui posted:I think it’s brutally obvious to everyone that she’s telling the truth. Why would this meeting have this amount of gravity if it was just some random girl with a fake accusation? 
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Aug 21, 2020 03:20
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Famethrowa posted:I get that life sucks and politics is a horrible thing to consider, but repeating MRA talking points to argue for your position is not the way. Please log off, I don't get the sense you are actually this awful of a person. I genuinely do think that they are this awful of a person. I'm just hoping that if anyone out there is reading this and still thinks it's okay to defend Biden because they think he's somehow better than Trump, this is what you end up sounding like to us: spunkshui posted:Same reason everyone does these days. Absolutely disgusting.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:20
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Those women, always lying for the money that comes flowing in when you accuse someone of rape.Somfin posted:The questioning of spunkshui can cease, they've said the quiet part loud and now can peacefully await the verdict. Time to see how much the mods really hate this "Tara Reade is a lying [insert slur here]" stuff.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:22
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spunkshui is a great example of how Democrats painted themselves into a corner by cynically embracing MeToo as a political weapon against Trump and the Republicans without actually believing in it. eventually it was going to come back to bite their blue sexmonsters, and put them in the really stupid position of having to dismiss accusations with more evidence behind them than Ford's as the inventions of crazy golddigging women
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Aug 21, 2020 03:30
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I was kinda prepared to have a halfway okay conversation about how we do have fake assault claims on politicians, they're usually found out, their circumstances don't match those of Blassey Ford or Reade, maybe link some Liz Bruenig articles, I dunno, but, "Bitches love money," is such a disappointing dead end to all of this.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:32
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Probably Magic posted:I was kinda prepared to have a halfway okay conversation about how we do have fake assault claims on politicians, they're usually found out, their circumstances don't match those of Blassey Ford or Reade, maybe link some Liz Bruenig articles, I dunno, but, "Bitches love money," is such a disappointing dead end to all of this. Remember the libertarian kid who claimed Biden said she had nice tits? How it was disproven within like, 3 days of putting it out there? Or the guy that tried to get Morse taken down, and was revealed to have been trying to entrapt him, within a week of the accusation? As it turns out, faking an abuse accusation is real hard. Which is why it's hard to refute when a Ford or Reade comes forth and all the press can dig up is "she adopted a sick horse". This victim even has the luxury of the candidate not denying it, just insisting that she should move on.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:35
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Those women, always lying for the money that comes flowing in when you accuse someone of rape. Someone got banned for making that exact post, so uhh, there's precedent at least. Still though, our biden boosters are running out of juice. They're usually able to go for longer before their posting devolves into poo poo.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:36
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Neurolimal posted:Remember the libertarian kid who claimed Biden said she had nice tits? How it was disproven within like, 3 days of putting it out there? Exactly. And proving rape within the process is very hard because it frequently turns into he-said/she-said situation that courts just shrug about because there's no smoking gun short of a rape kit and immediate reporting, which even then frequently gets blown off. Rape is a hard thing to prove because of consent, evidence, etc. So sure, everybody is innocent before proven guilty, but when circumstances argue for it and because there's very little reward to report and quite a bit of stigma, especially against powerful people, they deserve some benefit of the doubt.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:50
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Neurolimal posted:Remember the libertarian kid who claimed Biden said she had nice tits? How it was disproven within like, 3 days of putting it out there? Or the Duke Lacrosse case from 15 years ago that conservatives still bring up All this "oh woe is man, just a word from a woman and you're found guilty and executed" stuff is BS, if it's a poor black man sure he'll get railroaded immediately, but a wealthy white dude with family connections or political power of his own? Lol no, the woman's story is checked backwards and forwards and everything she's ever said and done gets dragged up and cross-examined. Faking a story that adds up under the scrutiny of every major newspaper in America is not easy. Having to explain away the evidence we have in order for Reade to be lying is mind-boggling: either she consulted a precog who told her her boss would be a presidential nominee one day and then she planted the story with her mom and her neighbor nearly three decades in advance, somehow picking the perfect target that not only was totally innocent and never touched her yet somehow she knew he'd harass a bunch of other women and girls and lend credibility to her fabricated tale, or for some reason her old neighbor agreed to help concoct a conspiracy to invent this lie and then Tara went back and researched the Larry King show to find a clip of her mom calling in about something unrelated that she could spin and it's just, so loving stupid VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Aug 21, 2020 03:51
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The democrats have been moving further and further to the right. They have disdain for the progressives in the party. The face of the progressive movement is going to need to step forward soon because we aren't getting anything but rightwing pro corporate policy out of the democrats and rightwing pro corporate policy out of the republicans. Bernie was good for a while but they broke his spirit and a lot of people, myself included, don't trust him anymore. Do you think the next leader of the progressives will be AOC? She does have some media savvy but they are already trying desperately to smear her. Its these reasons I view the future as practically hopeless in the US.
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Aug 21, 2020 03:57
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ManBoyChef posted:The democrats have been moving further and further to the right. They have disdain for the progressives in the party. The face of the progressive movement is going to need to step forward soon because we aren't getting anything but rightwing pro corporate policy out of the democrats and rightwing pro corporate policy out of the republicans. Bernie was good for a while but they broke his spirit and a lot of people, myself included, don't trust him anymore. Do you think the next leader of the progressives will be AOC? She does have some media savvy but they are already trying desperately to smear her. after everything that we've all seen in politics, i think the best conclusion is that we don't need a leader. we vote for our representatives. our representatives need leaders. we are the leaders. AOC seems cool, but she's not you. you lead. you lead yourself, and you lead others who need help. its like, if your community has a natural disaster, don't wait for an organization to give you instructions on where to go and how to respond. go out there and respond. we don't need AOC to give us marching orders. i support workers rights all on my own, with or without her or you or anyone.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:23
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I have a very, very dumb question that I'm having problems googling cause I'm an idiot and I'm hoping someone here can point me to something. So my whole family is voting absentee here in New York because of pretty salient reasons, but if reasonably practical we'd like to just hand them in to the polling place and let the post office not have to deal with it cause it's not like it's hard to drive the short distance and hand someone an envelope. The question is, can one of us hand in everyone's (sealed, signed, etc.) ballots or do we all have to do it individually. This is super minor, but my hunting around the NYS websites has given me basically no help making me feel like I'm either dumb or crazy.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:38
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Neurolimal posted:Worth repeating, again, that almost nobody in here talking about this is voting for Biden or defending him. I don't think there's anything useful for me to say on the topic, I've gone round that carousel a couple times. VitalSigns posted:maybe don't participate in discussions you're moderating? There's a whole Debate about whether mods should participate in threads they moderate, and I obviously come down pretty firmly on Yes - the alternative is either mods who are entirely unfamiliar with the nature and culture of the threads (clearly bad) or mods who used to be active members of the community and drift away (...current situation for a lot of mods, honestly, and not great). Classon Ave. Robot posted:I was under the impression that pretending like Biden didn't rape Tara Reade wasn't okay in D&D anymore? There isn't a particularly useful rule on the topic - my understanding of the consensus after the Big QCS Thread is that it's technically allowable to say "I don't believe Tara Reade", but most possible defenses of why are gross (probateable), the rest lead to really obnoxious derails (bad) and/or are low-content (bad), and just posting the above is low-content and leads to obnoxious derails. All the moderation conclusions that could plausibly come from this suck, but the premises are clearly correct. i've got a whole somewhat related post in me head about one-sentence declarative sentences in general, Biden Is A Rapist in particular, and the annoying moderation ground they cause, but that might have to wait for tomorrow or something
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Aug 21, 2020 04:43
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https://mobile.twitter.com/markos/status/1296619189101158400 I feel like this kind of rhetoric is worth pointing out in light of the opening hours for the convention's final night. Jesus, we love Jesus, Christianity is great, blah blah. You get the idea. Real weird huh, almost as weird as Matt Yglesias proposing to spread the plague of Americans in the billions and Joe Biden being a lifelong Catholic who hates abortion. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything though, probably about as much as bringing in Colin Powell before yammering on about the ever-looming threat of the Chinese.
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