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Leperflesh posted:Hi, hello. Oh, my friend, I've got some bad news for you. That piece of poo poo does it all the time in the tradgames thread, thankfully most of the readership there has put them on ignore. Just report him and watch as mods do nothing to that white noise threadshitter. edit: lol i thought this was the bloodlines 2 thread. here's my dog for a lovely snipe 
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Hi Soonmot, I'm an IK in Trad Games now, so I have the awesome power and dire responsibility of handing out sixers when they're warranted. I don't want to just land in a thread I'm not familiar with and start tossing around probes on the basis of popularity or grudge, though. I need to see rules-breaking behavior that I can directly address. Moreover, my moderation style is to politely ask for improvements and give people a chance to do better before escalating. Finally, I'm new at this and probably going to mess things up so I ask for your forbearance while I get the hang of it. Triple-posting is a minor infraction of posting etiquette and I feel that asking nicely for it to stop is a reasonable first step. Your dog is cute.
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Aug 20, 2020 22:58
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Oh that's awesome, thank you! If you look back over the thread history, you'll see that Oberst and Metapod have a pattern of doing this. Thankfully, they've stopped posting so the problem sorted itself out that way. I'm just happy to have to some mod oversight here, this is a great thread otherwise. Also: my dog thanks you.
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Aug 20, 2020 23:04
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Soonmot posted:Oh that's awesome, thank you! Metapod got threadbanned for something else which is why he isn't here anymore, but both of them have been warned on their habit of triple-posting before.
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Aug 20, 2020 23:15
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I mean, we all know they're the same guy anyway.
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Aug 20, 2020 23:16
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I can't prove it, but I suspect that neither is a real person and it's all viral marketing for V5 anyway. Like random YouTube comments about how awesome a product is. Some marketing bot just looks at the thread, sees that they made their post quota, then cuts a check for $0.008 per post.
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Aug 20, 2020 23:22
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moths posted:I can't prove it, but I suspect that neither is a real person and it's all viral marketing for V5 anyway. That doesn't explain their really gross posting in other threads, but I'm wouldn't rule out them being the same person or at least good real life friends considering they tend to follow each other around the forum.
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Aug 20, 2020 23:33
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My intention was not to derail this thread into becoming a discussion about how any particular poster is a Bad Poster or whatever. My recommendation is to carry on discussing World/Chronicles of Darkness, and if actual problems with any posters arise, you can report them, message me, or both, and I'll do what I feel is most appropriate.
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Here's a thing that came up in discussion elsewhere that I'm curious about how others feel: V5 Thaumaturgy / Blood Sorcery, and "Oblivion." In past editions of VtM, Thaum was the "sure do whatever anything at an in-clan discipline cost" power for Tremere, and in V5, they now have Blood Sorcery, which shifts most of the do-a-ton-of-things to Rituals and (at least at the moment, while there's only a few books published) and makes the core discipline itself a relatively tight 5 dots (with additional sidegrades for Banu Haqim taking it). But! I tell you that story to tell you this one: what they did with all the necromancy clans. Samedi, Nagaraja, Harbingers of Skulls/Cappadocians (and Lamia, Dunsirn, Pisanob, etc.) are all Giovanni now in terms of clan weakness and Discipline spread in V5 (with some optional swap-ins on a per-bloodline basis). That spread includes "Oblivion," which, in an effort to encompass all their disparate disciplines, has multiple powers per rank, and ceremonies (rituals). And, get this, Oblivion is already a discipline for the Lasombra, in place of their old Obtenebration. Which gives each rank a shadow-related power too. So like...why. Any of it.
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Aug 21, 2020 00:00
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Maybe some mortwights got involved in the editorial team for V5 and decided to put in a shout out to grandmaw?
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Nessus posted:Maybe some mortwights got involved in the editorial team for V5 and decided to put in a shout out to grandmaw?
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Aug 21, 2020 00:12
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So with all those bloodlines and two clans they’re a sect, not a clan themselves, right?
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Dawgstar posted:So with all those bloodlines and two clans they’re a sect, not a clan themselves, right? quote:Due to mysterious changes in the Blood, many Hecata no longer have their old curses—the Samedi are no longer rotting corpses, the Nagaraja no longer require the sustenance of flesh, and the Cappadocian and Harbingers of Skulls no longer have their corpse-like complexion—instead, they now all share the same clan bane: the excruciatingly painful Kiss. + the same compulsion, and referred to collectively as an independent clan. I mean it's a neat idea broadly, but god you could've picked a better clan to merge them all under than the Giovanni, like literally any of the other constituent clans.
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Aug 21, 2020 00:24
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The Nagaraja being part of it makes no sense. They weren’t linked to Cappodicious at all as I can recall.
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Aug 21, 2020 02:29
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"They're trying to make everything LARP forward/compatible/friendly" makes sense to some extent, or at least, it's a design decision other than "let's be as EDGY AS gently caress! yeah! i'm poking out my tongue and there's a SAFETY PIN IN IT!"
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Aug 21, 2020 04:05
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I at least like the Samedi being folded in to have the murder kiss instead of just having the Nosferatu bane with a different flavor. I do hope there's some kind of further fleshing out how it all went down though.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:42
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TheKingslayer posted:I at least like the Samedi being folded in to have the murder kiss instead of just having the Nosferatu bane with a different flavor. I do hope there's some kind of further fleshing out how it all went down though. I sure as poo poo would hope that it's covered by the book about the cults of the blood gods
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Aug 21, 2020 04:56
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I'm also guessing we can safely assume Tzimisce will end up with Protean, Auspex, and Animalism when/if they are added back to the game? Unless they went all in on "Old Clan" for whatever reason.
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Aug 21, 2020 08:05
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So one of the best things about owod vampire, is the billion clans and bloodlines, why gently caress with that? I liked the old masquerade-> requiem conversion guide that has the Giovanni as more of a hidden society made of any any vampire invited to join
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Aug 21, 2020 08:06
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The Giovanni, and Tremere for that matter, are both much better if treated as a Covenant.
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Aug 21, 2020 08:57
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I like some of V5's setting changes (The Second Inquisition and the ensuing chaos, the Brujah finally snapping, clans being scattered to enable more sect and clan combos) but everything mechanically makes me bounce off like a rubber ball. Messy Criticals are a terrible loving idea outside of maybe combat, and the weird Discipline pruning is just like... why? The Hecata thing is the worst of both, dropping interesting mechanics and making the setting less interesting.
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Aug 21, 2020 09:21
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Rubix Squid posted:The Giovanni, and Tremere for that matter, are both much better if treated as a Covenant. The Giovanni are the funniest thing in the setting and it's a shame the best possible Giovanni character was not actually in WOD (Italian Elon Musk).
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Thanks for the comments, I will pick up V5, I used to love reading the metaplot so i'm happy it's advanced - not happy about the Giovanni disappearing though, they were my favourite clan!
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Cable posted:Thanks for the comments, I will pick up V5, I used to love reading the metaplot so i'm happy it's advanced - not happy about the Giovanni disappearing though, they were my favourite clan!
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Aug 21, 2020 14:58
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Honestly if you just want to go metaplot wild, skip V5 and go right to Beckett's Jyhad Diary.
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yeah, the V5 core is deliberately light on metaplot besides telling you that the Second Inquisition exists now and the Elders got beckoned away; there's more metaplot in the Anarch and Camarilla supplements but those also have some of the most stupid ideas committed to a splatbook, like a two page news story on two vampires that do pet play
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Jyhad/VTES question: Anyone ordered those new "intro decks" that are for sale and if so, how do they play? I've already got a bunch of loose cards, but I'd like to have some quick playing pre-cons to have around.
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moths posted:Honestly if you just want to go metaplot wild, skip V5 and go right to Beckett's Jyhad Diary. This is strongly seconded. There's some great stuff for lore nerds like me.
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EdsTeioh posted:Jyhad/VTES question: Anyone ordered those new "intro decks" that are for sale and if so, how do they play? I've already got a bunch of loose cards, but I'd like to have some quick playing pre-cons to have around. Do you mean the First Blood decks? They are aimed as intro decks for gameplay demos and first time players mostly, they are pretty cheap however each pack is about half a deck and the quality of the cards themselves are not as good as other products. I bought some of them to get some cheap copies of staple cards but I wouldn't recommend them as playable precons. If you want complete decks ready to sit and play, I recommend to either preorder the fifth edition decks (five camarilla decks, balanced to play against each other, not too complex although not really optimized) or the Sabbat precons, which are pretty good, some people has even won tournaments with some of them. The 25th anniversary deck is a really good buy too. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Aug 21, 2020 16:55
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I actually like what V5 did with discipline consolidation, like the way "Dementation" is just some Dominate powers that also require Auspex/Obfuscate (or vice versa) or the way that Quietus and Thaumaturgy turn out to be variants of the same discipline.
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I absolutely hate the V5 metaplot changes but Beckett's Jyhad Diary was basically a dopamine binge for me. It's also absurdly long and will keep you busy for awhile.
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Pope Guilty posted:I absolutely hate the V5 metaplot changes but Beckett's Jyhad Diary was basically a dopamine binge for me. It's also absurdly long and will keep you busy for awhile. It really feels like you could turn any section into a full chronicle. Which is probably a bit hyperbole, but only just.
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Aug 21, 2020 20:48
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The V5 changes really feel like unofficial fan-fiction that got canonized at gunpoint.
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moths posted:The V5 changes really feel like unofficial fan-fiction that got canonized at gunpoint. I mean, that's what it is. Martin was a fan that convinced his friend('s company) to buy it for him so he could make the changes he wanted.
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Kurieg posted:I mean, that's what it is. Some of which come from his home game.
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Pope Guilty posted:I absolutely hate the V5 metaplot changes but Beckett's Jyhad Diary was basically a dopamine binge for me. It's also absurdly long and will keep you busy for awhile. I have been catching up, please correct me if I’m wrong - some guy held VtM hostage, caused IRL international trouble that got him fired and now White Wolf as a company doesn’t exist anymore and it’s more of a brand that gets licensed (to Onyx path for example)? Oooh boy. I see that Beckett’s Jihad Diary is some bridge between V20 and v5 by onyx path. Did they have to basically work with Martin’s metaplot changes? I’m still in the first pages of the book, how are the metaplot changes so controversial? edit: I guess V5 does bring good things to the table though? i'll keep reading! Cable fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Cable posted:I have been catching up, please correct me if I’m wrong - some guy held VtM hostage, caused IRL international trouble that got him fired and now White Wolf as a company doesn’t exist anymore and it’s more of a brand that gets licensed (to Onyx path for example)? Yes, part of the reason why the 20th anniversary books stopped getting made is that Martin was forcing changes into the books to 'bridge' the gap to 5th edition. One of the things that immediately springs to mind is that in V5, Vampires do not have souls, they can only get their soul back if they undergo golconda. Despite the fact that there are several Vampire Wraiths. According to the new canon, all these people who couldn't even see the path of Humanity if they squinted, somehow achieved Golconda. There's a lot more but other people are more well read on it than I. They also forced some really gross transphobic and "Women exist to make babies and werewolf sperm is so powerful it can defeat an IUD" changes into the last W20 book despite the fact that W5 is still nowhere near coming out.
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Beckett's Jyhad Diary is more of an alternate metaplot than a bridge to 5e. There was some talk about incorporating elements of Beckett in 5e because it was popular, but they were, basically, lies. It is, however, a really good book.quote:I have been catching up, please correct me if I’m wrong - some guy held VtM hostage, caused IRL international trouble that got him fired and now White Wolf as a company doesn’t exist anymore and it’s more of a brand that gets licensed (to Onyx path for example)? Honestly, White Wolf hasn't existed for nearly a decade.
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Kurieg posted:They also forced some really gross transphobic and "Women exist to make babies and werewolf sperm is so powerful it can defeat an IUD" changes into the last W20 book despite the fact that W5 is still nowhere near coming out. They also feel like they reverted to stereotype with the Banu Haqim in the Camarilla book. Either you worship ur-Shulgi, or you're Muslim because Middle East I guess.
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