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Best/worst part of Dragonlance is when entire world gets hosed by Chaos in Dragons of the Summer Flame and they defeat the mountain sized Chaos incarnate god by power of friendship. It is followed up by a fantasy Fallout scenario where gods left so Dragons became the rulers and hosed up the geography by powerful magic and everyone being abloo bloo. The tabletop rpg of 5th Age tried having cards instead of dice to determine actions and it was baaad.
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"I have to go to my followup appointment." "I clearly stated that I was GOLFING today, you harridan." And scene.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:28
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Galewolf posted:
Oh no. What is this?
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Aug 21, 2020 22:29
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Empty Sandwich posted:Lord Soth That baby is the WORST Also if you don't want to be an evil rear end in a top hat maybe don't take up the mantle of "Deathknight". I'm just saying, stick to "Regular Knight who's occasionally a dick" or something, no reason to really commit your eternal soul because this job has better hours or something.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:33
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Reminder that Raistlin was an incel way before that was a thing. Though, he allegedly had sex with a sexy ogre and had a Sephiroth haired daughter but he denies it so who knows. Anyway, Raistlin blasts his brother for being a slamchad and having all the girls while he has to study the Magic Missile during his test but in a true "Ten points to Gryffindor" way he gets the red robes instead like straight up sorted into baddies. You can, of course, tell that I never read a single page of that garbage 
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Aug 21, 2020 22:36
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Soth is a fuckin’ loser and so is the D&D concept of Paladins
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Aug 21, 2020 22:41
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Empty Sandwich posted:Oh no. What is this? So you basically had a deck with playing cards, Dragonlance artwork on them. Players had their hand you replenished by role playing and used as "dice rolls" against difficulty. Like, let's say I wanted to cast a spell against Difficulty of 10, I either needed a skill of 10 or Skill+Card value. Certain actions had "trump" like using a sword set card for physical actions gave bonuses The magic system was overhauled to have custom building your spells and having mana iirc. It took "chance" out of gaming which made it boring by removing the randomness element. The books were quite weak in terms of fluff and it was uh it was 99 when people already got tired of listening yet another Raistlin story. Galewolf fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Aug 21, 2020 22:42
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Galewolf posted:Certain actions had "trump" Ah, I see.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:47
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I hate kramering into threads like this but... I noticed a lot of people are talking about gully dwarves. I think that was just the most obvious example of a lot of the problems with race depictions in DnD. I don't know much about Dragonlance simply because I never played a videogame based in that setting. I have played all the infinity engine games though so I am familiar with Forgotten Realms. The Drow always struck me as something problematic. They are a matriarchal society of EVIL spider worshippers and they all have black skin. Anyone else ever raise an eyebrow at that? I suppose the lore does describe them as beautiful and highly intelligent. No wonder there are so many drow Mary Sues. I tried reading up on some of the Dragonlance setting recently but my eyes just glaze over. It's just so generic. When i was in my teens I would have traded a testicle for a bioware game set in the Dark Sun setting.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:53
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I don't know if anyone's ever made race correlations in fantasy settings before, no.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:57
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Smartass.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:58
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This is a reminder that Drizzt noped out of a massive graduation orgy with dominatrix priestesses, and, therefore, is another incel.
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Aug 21, 2020 23:00
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yeah Valko most RP material was made by losers with insane sexual hangups and creepy fetishes and an obsession with ‘unclean’ races and genetic fuckups
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Aug 21, 2020 23:01
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Valko posted:They are a matriarchal society of EVIL spider worshippers and they all have black skin. Anyone else ever raise an eyebrow at that? Yeah, not seeing many problems with this sexiness.
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Aug 21, 2020 23:02
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Valko posted:I hate kramering into threads like this but... I was too young when I was into the Drizzt books to really think about the race implications, but it bothered me that a race that lived almost entirely underground had dark skin rather than pale skin from lack of sun.
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Aug 21, 2020 23:11
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Internetjack posted:Yeah, not seeing many problems with this sexiness. yeah no problem with unloading your mommy dom fetish onto a race of black skinned villains who are mostly sexy FEMALES ready to punish you
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Aug 21, 2020 23:19
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:Lol, it’s GBS so I was making a bad joke. His wife’s name is Laura. aw man i wish you had let me go on thinking this might be true. dragonlance is a sundae of absurdity and this would have been the cherry on top. 
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Aug 22, 2020 00:19
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tbh even knowing what Dragonlance is is a huge mark against you now I am among the marked because I looked it up. oh the drat irony
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Black August posted:yeah no problem with unloading your mommy dom fetish onto a race of black skinned villains who are mostly sexy FEMALES ready to punish you exactly
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Aug 22, 2020 00:58
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I mean, the white hair, and all the leather armor... But enough about FR, this is Dragonlance thread. Let's discuss Tika and her hooters. I really like how she came into her own as a newbie fighter; learned from necessity and all that.
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Aug 22, 2020 01:05
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Pretty sure Samwise smacking dudes in the face with a frying pan and saying "I'm getting the hang of this!" in the LotR movie was stolen straight from Dragonlance and Tika's personal story. Maybe, I just don't recall that in Tolkein's books.
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Aug 22, 2020 01:08
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:I was too young when I was into the Drizzt books to really think about the race implications, but it bothered me that a race that lived almost entirely underground had dark skin rather than pale skin from lack of sun. I bet they're like corvids where if you look at them under UV light they're actually a beautiful rainbow of colors
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Father Wendigo posted:One of my friends gave me a big compendium of Dragonlance to read, with forwards for each section by the writers. The only one that wasn't masturbatory gushing over Tolkien and the blandest ideas of fantasy was the guy responsible for gnomes. I think tinker gnomes could be genuinely, well, not cool, but at least fun if divorced from Dragonlance. The regular gnomes as depicted in 2nd edition were dull as dishwater. Give them a workshop full of clock- and steampunk poo poo and a magic bottle of adderall that never runs out, well that’s a hell of a lot less boring. I want to play a tinker gnome who zips around the battlefield on a homemade BMX bike, lobbing homemade grenades which may or may not go off at my enemies.
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as i read this thread i am realizing all the fantasy stuff i consumed when i was young has kind of melted together in my memory and faded, like sidewalk chalk in a rainstorm. my most distinct dragonlance memory is occasionally seeing that magestones ad in comic books. 
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Aug 22, 2020 01:59
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To be fair, I LOVED Dragonlance as a kid and frequented Waldenbooks on the reg for my next fix. I wish I was as voracious a reader now.
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Aug 22, 2020 02:14
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Zeniel posted:What's a gully dwarf?  
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Aug 22, 2020 02:14
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Empty Sandwich posted:Lord Soth Soth was the only villain to be paroled from Ravenloft because his evil came more from being sad about his life than actual true malevolence. Compare that with Vecna who was the only villain to escape from Ravenloft because he managed to ascend to demigod and was kicked out because it violated the place's rules.
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:To be fair, I LOVED Dragonlance as a kid and frequented Waldenbooks on the reg for my next fix. I wish I was as voracious a reader now. Same here, even having English as a second language back in the 90s without much internet, I was consuming Dragonlance and FR books whenever I can afford/find them. I cannot even read more than 5 pages nowadays before becoming bored or distracted.
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I think it was Test of the Twins where Tasslehoff steals the time machine from Raistlin implicitly, but the book never really says so. I reread that chapter like fifty times. Yeah, I know Tasslehoff is a pickpocket and Raistlin foolishly picked him up by his scruff (Raistlin has like STR 7 at least?) which gave him time to pick the pocket BUT IT NEVER SAID THAT and I was just furiously rereading and honestly it spoiled the second trilogy for me. Anyone who has Power Word: Kill is a badass. I'm replaying PS: Torment rn and I'm trying to find a way for my lawful good mage to learn it. Sit and spin, Lord Soth.
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I have probably 80 Dragonlance books in my garage right now that I started reading when I was like 9 and most of the game modules even that garbage card based version. The first hint I got that it was kinda bad was when the first three main storyline series were carried on the back of Tasselhoff Burrfoot the
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My big memories are A) Hating the name "Fistandantilus", just a trash name B) Thinking "Solamnic Knights" was a good name because they're extremely boring and it sounds like they put you to sleep C) The book about young Kitiara has her sleeping with an adult when she's like 13 So all in all I think OP raises a great point
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LOL When Dragonlance was new and the world was young, Dragonlance was really popular with my peer group (vile nerds), but somehow I never got around to reading it. So as a break from books that might actually make my brain do poo poo, I read the first trilogy maybe ten years ago. Jesus Christ it’s just hot loving garbage. Yeah I read the whole thing. I was committed to my goal and NO OTHER REASON motherfucker. I’ve forgotten most of it, but I do vaguely remember at the end of one of the books they figure out the location of an artifact that they need, and the story ends with, “Let us hie away and reclaim the Hammer of Puissance, verily!” or whatever. The next book starts with them booking it out of some ruin or whatever with the artifact in hand. Awesome. Why would you want a heroic quest in your D&D fan fiction? Coxswain Balls posted:On the other hand Are we gonna fight bro? Because I WILL FIGHT YOU. DarkSoulsTantrum posted:Lol, I just remembered my freshman year in college my English prof made us read Dragons of Autumn Twilight This is a human rights violation.
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I was just remembering one of the fanfic spinoff books. It was some dwarf that didn't really hang out under the mountain with other dwarves. A weirdo outcast of a dwarf, plied his trade and traveled the countryside. Book starts with him getting waylaid, robbed and beaten I think. Left naked in the wild with nothing. Zero poo poo to his name. First thing he does beyond basic water and eating some stuff is to build a crude forge. Piles up a bunch of rocks, gathers wood to burn a coal fire. Makes a rough crucible and finds some ore on the mountain and makes the head to a hammer. The next thing he does with his crude hammer is to make a better forge and crucible and forge a better hammer. A stronger tool and weapon. Then he kills a mountain lion that has been stalking him and uses its fangs to make a pair of daggers, skins it to make some crude clothing, and eats the thing. Like a month in and this fucker has food, clothing and weapons, and is just building his life one bit at a time from the ground up. Some other character comes along and comments, if you were just left alone you would slowly build a kingdom; and he's like "probably?" It was a cool prepper/survivalist story. He meets a gnome with a flying machine and story continues on, blahblahblah, horrible writing continues, but that dude rebuilding his life from scratch was cool as heck.
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:I was too young when I was into the Drizzt books to really think about the race implications, but it bothered me that a race that lived almost entirely underground had dark skin rather than pale skin from lack of sun. Yeah this always bothered me too, that and in the Legacy of the Drow series people got eaten by seas of spider with descriptions of them chewing, which very much clashes with my understanding of how spiders eat. That and those books getting progressively worse because each book was written by a different author and so various established themes are slowly removed and the importance of certain characters changes at the drop of a hat. But yeah, Drow culture is weirdly fetishistic and dumb.
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Empty Sandwich posted:I just finished Planescape: Torment, the best computer RPG ever to exist, and it warms my heart to know that nobody from Krynn is in there, and if they were, everybody would be so mad at them they would make them die. The Planescape setting pokes fun at Krynn. All the planars consider the primes (i.e. people from real worlds) to be clueless but the ones from Krynn are pointed out as particularly ignorant because they believe the only outer plane that exists is the Abyss and even their scholars and sages thing they are the only world that exists. The general agreement amongst those who spelljam (fly around in space) is that there is no point in going there as they do not have much of anything worth trading for. Tinker Gnomes were fun. Any engineering problem had to be solved with an intricate Rube Goldberg approach. Simple solutions are distrusted and discarded. Oh, and none of them ever work right. I do remember enjoying one Dragonlance novel. It was about an evil dragon highlord named Toede that got burned up by a dragon in the original story. Two demons were bored and brought him back to life on what amounted to a bar bet to see if he could live a life of nobility. He came back and murdered the guy who took over his old stomping grounds at Flotsam and then was eaten by the frog mount he rode around on. The demons were unsatisfied with the experiment and brought him back to life. He ended up having to defend a group of human scholars studying the inscriptions of what was believed to be an ancient holy site. Some gnolls showed up to kill them for violating a taboo and Toede tried to stall them by convincing them that the scholars were all archmages and went back to the scholars figuring the inscriptions would give him vast power. Turned out the inscriptions were pornographic poetry about pixies. Then he got trapped with a demon that had to kill 1000 people before it was allowed to go home. He helped the demon escape and had it murder all the gnolls and then took it to kill the frog mount and the demon ended up killing the frog and Toede. The demons brought him back again to continue the experiment and he found out that one of his old lackeys had taken over Flotsam and was an even more oppressive rear end in a top hat than Toede ever was so when he returned people rallied around him as a heroic deliverer and he led a revolt to topple the evil oppressor. In the end he did some noble things for the wrong reasons and escaped being pulled back into hell and was allowed to live out this last life.
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Internetjack posted:I was just remembering one of the fanfic spinoff books. That was one of my favorite dragonlance books as a kid
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The classic:
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I want to come in here and tell you all that Dragonlance is actually good, at least the original trilogy.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I want to come in here and tell you all that Dragonlance is actually good, at least the original trilogy. What the gently caress? The first book is god-awful. If you're going to write a book about your lovely D&D campaign don't write it about your first D&D campaign. Holyshit, what a bunch of railroad garbage that book is. "Hey guys, what should we do next?" "Doesnt loving matter what you want to do. ,Pegasai come from the skies and tell you to hop on. They'll take you to what I have planned."
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When I was a kid I read these books and also read nsfw fanfiction where Raistlin was a twink, I did the same thing for the forgotten realms books like the Dark Elf trilogy. All of this style of fiction sucks poo poo but when you're 10-15 they're rad and good for fanfic fodder if you want to read about magic twinks loving dragons or something They're all probably better than Dragonriders of Pern which im 90% sure started out as startrek fanfic and is absolutely batshit insane and horny on levels that these books could never dream of
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