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ever notice how it's always white people with the "all anime is bad" takes
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Aug 24, 2020 22:57
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white people and the Japanese
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Aug 24, 2020 23:00
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hawowanlawow posted:white people and the Japanese a classic pairing really
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Aug 24, 2020 23:02
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hawowanlawow posted:white people and the Japanese Worst ska band I’ve ever seen live I tell you what
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Aug 24, 2020 23:05
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Data Graham posted:I've got some Quora content coming in hot Unless the neighbor was selling toilets or cabinets or some poo poo at the yard sale does this guy realize that when you rent the furniture and stuff usually doesn't come with the place?
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Aug 24, 2020 23:26
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Waterbed Wendy posted:a classic pairing really 
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Aug 24, 2020 23:28
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It is actually pretty hard for me to come up with even one right wing example, surely they exist? I probably have poo poo taste, but every piece of Japanese media I've seen had "collectivism beats individualism" as an underlying theme trap sprung etc
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Aug 24, 2020 23:29
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:
I see that screenshot and all I can read it as is "cop cars are worth more than cop lives", which would be a blistering take from someone like that
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Aug 24, 2020 23:36
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Ruffian Price posted:It is actually pretty hard for me to come up with even one right wing example, surely they exist? I probably have poo poo taste, but every piece of Japanese media I've seen had "collectivism beats individualism" as an underlying theme oh there are definitely explicitly fash anime out there, in addition to ones that "just" have mounds of unexamined racial/gender issues but the density of it isn't any more or less than any other medium in the world of mass culture
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Aug 24, 2020 23:38
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As a franchise Gundam seems to deal with fascism a lot. As I recall they're usually pretty against it, but I'm sure one of them must have stumbled its way into an endorsement at some point.
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Aug 24, 2020 23:49
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Ruffian Price posted:It is actually pretty hard for me to come up with even one right wing example, surely they exist? I probably have poo poo taste, but every piece of Japanese media I've seen had "collectivism beats individualism" as an underlying theme There are a couple I can think of - Axis Powers Hetalia was pretty huge for a while, and Attack on Titan turned out to be anti-semitic fascist propaganda, for example - but yeah, by and large, anime isn't any more pro-fascist than any other medium.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:05
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:There are a couple I can think of - Axis Powers Hetalia was pretty huge for a while, and Attack on Titan turned out to be anti-semitic fascist propaganda, for example - but yeah, by and large, anime isn't any more pro-fascist than any other medium. ?
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Here you go.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:07
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Oh, you just mean Polygon. E: to clarify, I'm wary of Polygon as a source in general. Not because of any perceived SJWness or whatever. I just think don't think they're very good at fact checking stuff based on what I've seen from them in the past. christmas boots has a new favorite as of 00:10 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 00:08
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christmas boots posted:Oh, you just mean Polygon. I appreciate you not actually reading the article, thanks for providing content for the thread. 
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Aug 25, 2020 00:09
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:I appreciate you not actually reading the article, thanks for providing content for the thread. Ok.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:11
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GATE was a fairly popular anime about the Japanese military and is blatantly propagandistic. You'd have to be somewhat familiar with the politics surrounding Japan's SDF and recent controversy around Japanese nationalism but in the show the military uses a portal to invade and occupy a medieval-fantasy realm. They declare this area to be technically part of Japan so that they don't violate article 9 of their constitution. One of the villains of the show is a politician who questions whether Japan has a right to do this and is verbally owned marine-vs-college professor style. She was apparently based off a real life center-left representative.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:39
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:I appreciate you not actually reading the article, thanks for providing content for the thread. I read the article and he was right not to bother with it. It's dogshit that uses a handful of plot points that could be applied to tons of stuff, such as "The military isn't evil and incompetent."
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Aug 25, 2020 00:42
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chitoryu12 posted:I read the article and he was right not to bother with it. It's dogshit that uses a handful of plot points that could be applied to tons of stuff, such as "The military isn't evil and incompetent." It is a fantasy show after all.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:44
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chitoryu12 posted:I read the article and he was right not to bother with it. It's dogshit that uses a handful of plot points that could be applied to tons of stuff, such as "The military isn't evil and incompetent." EDIT: Now that I'm trying to actually look into it though I'm not finding much definitive. PetraCore has a new favorite as of 00:47 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 00:45
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PetraCore posted:I thought part of it was the mangaka went full mask-off in his personal life, but I'm not really invested in Attack on Titan at all so I don't actually know what went down. My impression was the creator said a bunch of stuff and it made fans go ooooooh about various plot points that suddenly seemed a lot more uncomfortable with that context. He did say one of the characters was based on a Japanese general who I guess is revered as a hero in Japan and thought of as a war criminal in Korea and China, then when that blew up he apparently said the Japanese atrocities committed against Korean and Chinese civilians weren't that bad.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:53
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There's some valid points (I had no idea about Isayama's views outside the work) but I'd still make a distinction between a work containing fascism and being fascist. After all, the fantasy Jews are the protagonists and they spend a large chunk of the story fighting their own military (article's author claims the opposite, comments imply that he was basing it on Twitter rants???), you're absolutely meant to empathize both with them and the German citizens who never embraced Nazism analog later on the symbolism itself is brow-raising at best but the article's clearly working backwards from its conclusion, it is not good imo now I have provided the content
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Aug 25, 2020 00:54
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Fullmetal Alchemist is the one that got so weirdly fascist (or maybe Zionist, I don't recall) that they made a second anime adaptation just to make it less fascist, right?
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Aug 25, 2020 01:00
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Yeah "attack on titan is facist" is one of those things that seems true if you only take a glance at it but don't look into it any more than that, which helped it spread as the narrative online.Cleretic posted:Fullmetal Alchemist is the one that got so weirdly fascist (or maybe Zionist, I don't recall) that they made a second anime adaptation just to make it less fascist, right? The first FMA anime stopped following the manga after a certain point, the 2nd anime is a more faithful adaptation of the story in the manga.
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Aug 25, 2020 01:02
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Ruffian Price posted:There's some valid points (I had no idea about Isayama's views outside the work) but I'd still make a distinction between a work containing fascism and being fascist. After all, the fantasy Jews are the protagonists and they spend a large chunk of the story fighting their own military (article's author claims the opposite, comments imply that he was basing it on Twitter rants???), you're absolutely meant to empathize both with them and the German citizens who never embraced Nazism analog later on I appreciate the commentary. I read the first volume and have only ever seen that article posted uncritically by people whose opinions I trust, so I trusted their opinions on that too. Thanks for the clarification!
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Aug 25, 2020 01:21
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Anime on Social Media: the gently caress is that California roll
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Aug 25, 2020 01:34
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Cleretic posted:Fullmetal Alchemist is the one that got so weirdly fascist (or maybe Zionist, I don't recall) that they made a second anime adaptation just to make it less fascist, right? Nah, the second adaptation was made because the first made some plot changes that wound up becoming irreconcilable with where the manga was going. And... Well, it’s also highly critical of the in-universe military across both versions, and makes it abundantly clear that they’ve been committing ethnic cleansing. Hell, Roy’s ultimate end goal is to rearrange things enough after he takes leadership of the military that he and everyone else who participated in the worst of it are tried as war criminals, instead of being lauded as national heroes.
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Aug 25, 2020 01:53
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CTE is a Hell of a thing... https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1298071937336270848?s=19
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Aug 25, 2020 05:17
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Attack on Titan is pro-fascist in the same way that Starship Troopers* is. *Am I referring to the book, or the movie? You decide.
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Aug 25, 2020 05:28
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Regalingualius posted:Nah, the second adaptation was made because the first made some plot changes that wound up becoming irreconcilable with where the manga was going. drat, then what am I thinking of? I know there's an anime that was basically redone because the first one got weirdly fascist (or some other similarly crap conservative niche). I could've sworn it was FMA.
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Aug 25, 2020 05:32
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90% of anime is somewhere on the Will-To-Power spectrum, where the hero wins because he Wants It More and Refuses To Give Up and Uses His Natural Gifts to overcome undeserving and treacherous adversaries. And then there's all the shows produced by the JDSF to serve as propaganda. And that's not even counting creepy sex poo poo, gender essentialism, lebensraum fantasies... I'm sure that any of us could write a similarly disturbing assessment about the popular action/romance media of our home countries. Also consumption is never prior to ethics, even when it's media consumption. e: i judge the poo poo out of people who watch those shows where the warplanes are little girls tho
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Aug 25, 2020 05:45
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I'm not sure if it's out and out fascist but they do only meet Hitler in the first anime, not the second one that's more like the manga. Also alchemy may or may not have been powered by the holocaust. I think that happened.
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Aug 25, 2020 05:47
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Aug 25, 2020 05:56
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Attack on Titan started out like an anime version of The Walking Dead, but the plot twist partway through was the main characters finding out that they were the true master race and everything that was being sent at them was the rest of the world trying to hold them back.
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Aug 25, 2020 06:16
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Ruffian Price posted:It is actually pretty hard for me to come up with even one right wing example, surely they exist? I probably have poo poo taste, but every piece of Japanese media I've seen had "collectivism beats individualism" as an underlying theme Apart from the actual right-wing analogies posted above, (I don't watch those cartoons so I dunno how actually fascist they are) A take I have heard is that "Grave of the Fireflies" is right-wing and problematic because it shows the American planes bombing Japan as a bad thing causing death and destruction instead of a good thing spreading freedom and saving American lives. So therefore all Anime hates freedom and loves Nazis. This is not a take I believe in, by the way.
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Canned Panda posted:CTE is a Hell of a thing... Herschel's always been a bit ... odd. Though he's from the backwoods, rural south, he may have been reasonably protected from its racial horrors. Walker would have attended a segregated school for a year or two at most. (Walker was born in 1962. School integration in Johnson County would have probably started in 1966ish and HEW ordered Georgia to completely end dual school systems in 1970.) In high school, he became the most recruited football player in the nation. Recruiters moved to his dead-rear end hometown for months to try to sign him. Recruiting rules were even sketchier then, so he and his family would have been treated like royalty. Walker became a legend in his first ever college football game. Everybody's catered to him his whole adult life. Adding to him likely being sheltered, Walker was interested in college in being a police officer. Since he was 16 years old, Herschel Walker has rarely wanted for anything and everyone has tossed him money every step of the way. Walker's also said he's suffered from DID since he was a young adult.
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Aug 25, 2020 06:19
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BrigadierSensible posted:Apart from the actual right-wing analogies posted above, (I don't watch those cartoons so I dunno how actually fascist they are) I’m pretty sure that was on these forums. It may have even been itt It definitely rings a bell I know that much
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Aug 25, 2020 06:23
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Attack on Titan has the War Movie Problem where the characters are put in horrible situations because it's dramatic and lets them shine out of the poo poo that's been piled on them, and we gasp and cheer, and you have to ask, isn't this romanticizing the horrors it's depicting? I was long of the opinion it did, but kept reading, and now I think it does not. It's almost finished, so you'll soon hear from people's hot takes whether or not it sticks the landing.
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