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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

NaanViolence posted:

In this particular aspect it's not even close. America's educational system is absolutely indoctrination, but we are not specifically and repeatedly taught starting from age 5 to hate Japan because of poo poo that happened drat near 80 years ago now.

They don't hate Japan because it aids and abets American hegemony. The average Chinese person doesn't even care about that. They hate Japan because of World War 2. It was both amusing and saddening to hear so many of my students sounding just like Castro-hating right-wing Cuban exiles. "My ancestors owned a bunch of factories that the Japanese destroyed and if not for that my family would be rich today!"
i mean, like, japan imperialistically did actually commit a bunch of human atrocities on the chinese people

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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

like, as far as im aware, the japanese government still refuses to own up to these atrocities, causing routine diplomatic sore points, and causes rows when the japanese head of state visits japanese ww2 memorials and so on

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

comedyblissoption posted:

like, as far as im aware, the japanese government still refuses to own up to these atrocities, causing routine diplomatic sore points
I'm sure that Abe's actions wrt Yasukuni shrine last week were carefully calculated to piss off China just exactly the right amount, but not too much.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

to make an analogy, it would be like survivors of the holocaust being fingerwagged in an alt universe scenario where germany refuses to acknowledge the holocaust happened

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Samurai Sanders posted:

Both times I visited China, just flipping through channels in my hotel room, about half of it was action adventure shows or movies where scrappy Chinese heroes defeat the cruel and dumb Japanese army.

That said, I see so many Chinese tourists in Japan who seem to be having a great time.

There is a quota requirement on such WWII resist Japanese historic "action fantasy". So you get tons of shows with terrible prop accuracy.

Chinese in general don't get hang up on the Japanese not apologizing or owning up to WW2 atrocities anymore, not nearly as much as the Koreans do. The psyche behind these attitudes probably require another thread to get into the detail.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 02:42 on Aug 25, 2020

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

NaanViolence posted:

In this particular aspect it's not even close. America's educational system is absolutely indoctrination, but we are not specifically and repeatedly taught starting from age 5 to hate Japan because of poo poo that happened drat near 80 years ago now.

They don't hate Japan because it aids and abets American hegemony. The average Chinese person doesn't even care about that. They hate Japan because of World War 2. It was both amusing and saddening to hear so many of my students sounding just like Castro-hating right-wing Cuban exiles. "My ancestors owned a bunch of factories that the Japanese destroyed and if not for that my family would be rich today!"

it seems to me that if a chinese child is grousing about their ancestors' lost factories it is because they have heard as much from their family members and not because chinese state propaganda is somehow more pernicious or intense than anyone else's

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Who Is Paul Blart posted:

China is better than America and I hope that they win the global war for influence.

"Say goodbye to your freedom of speech, porn and choices of soup"

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

china is now murdering 1/3, incarcerating 1/3, and converting 1/3
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1297938595454615552

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011
so im confused people are saying the evil chinese are raping uyghur women to get them pregnant w mixed race babies but they’re ALSO sterilizing uyghur women? how does that make sense?

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Oct 5, 2010

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
if i was xi jinping, i would simply convert all three thirds

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.
XI should know that a 333 plan will put him in the covid grave

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.
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sincx
Jul 13, 2012

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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

uninterrupted posted:

so im confused people are saying the evil chinese are raping uyghur women to get them pregnant w mixed race babies but they’re ALSO sterilizing uyghur women? how does that make sense?

women in camps being sterilized, ie. injected or made to swallow poo poo to stop periods.

Mihrigul Tursun: https://www.cecc.gov/sites/chinacom...011-28-18_0.pdf
Gulbahar Jalilova: https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/muslim-women-reportedly-sterilized-in-chinese-re-education-camps/

despite this, surprisingly they can still be raped, not necessarily for making mixed babies, tho if there are any they can force abortions too

Ruqiye Perhat: https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/08/inside-chinas-re-education-camps-women-raped-sterilised-10879874/

people being sent to live with uighur families under the "Pair Up and Become Family" program, it was noted not all are han chinese men, one was a uighur woman

Halmurat Idris: https://apnews.com/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b
Rushan Abbas/RFA: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12295956

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

please don't use people who worked at Gitmo in 2002 as a source

also:
https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/1298047192666533888

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

Atrocious Joe posted:

please don't use people who worked at Gitmo in 2002 as a source

yeah tahts why i included their names so you guys can research their histories like you would internet detective a rape victim. one bad apple means a spoiled batch after all

last news from xinjiang were by paid actors Qelbinur Sedik (https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/confessions-of-a-xinjiang-camp-teacher/?fbclid=IwAR0-3L76CqhGXBXqWWRC-mXfVFVEZM1BX95o-KkuoU4qRx9CEbuideymVjQ) who described camp abuses, and Merdan Ghappar's video back in March when the epidemic was ongoing, so luckily u guys don't have to read more atrocities from xinjiang any longer assuming covid takes out the rest of the dissidents like the europeans wiped out the native americans

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Kill All Cops posted:

yeah tahts why i included their names so you guys can research their histories like you would internet detective a rape victim. one bad apple means a spoiled batch after all


lmao at equating the lot of a Gitmo shill with a victim of sexual assault.
You got any other well thought out even-handed opinions you gonna share?

You're totally building your credible case there.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
idk im not the one who ctrl+fs any post or article for rushan abbas and adrian zenz to immediately dismiss the entire thing despite them mentioning other sources

nothing is happening in xinjiang carry on

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

uninterrupted posted:

so im confused people are saying the evil chinese are raping uyghur women to get them pregnant w mixed race babies but they’re ALSO sterilizing uyghur women? how does that make sense?

have u heard about cuck fantasies?

all chuds have them

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Kill All Cops posted:

women in camps being sterilized, ie. injected or made to swallow poo poo to stop periods.

Mihrigul Tursun: https://www.cecc.gov/sites/chinacom...011-28-18_0.pdf
Gulbahar Jalilova: https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/muslim-women-reportedly-sterilized-in-chinese-re-education-camps/

despite this, surprisingly they can still be raped, not necessarily for making mixed babies, tho if there are any they can force abortions too

Ruqiye Perhat: https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/08/inside-chinas-re-education-camps-women-raped-sterilised-10879874/

people being sent to live with uighur families under the "Pair Up and Become Family" program, it was noted not all are han chinese men, one was a uighur woman

Halmurat Idris: https://apnews.com/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b
Rushan Abbas/RFA: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12295956

u are a credulous dumbass

and i mean this in the most respectful way possible

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
yes this is all very constructive

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
its ok to just say nothing is happening in xinjiang if u guys just wanna post it yknow

nothing is happening in xinjiang

nothing is happening in xinjiang

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Kill All Cops posted:

yes this is all very constructive

Look, I have to be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about what is going on there. So I'm not going to pursue this any further, however, I would like to remind you, as friendly as possible, to consider that it's just plain difficult to believe anything that comes out of the mouth from some US-state connected entity concerning a country that these very same forces have declared to be an enemy of the United States of loving America.

Now, when I say I don't know a whole lot I simply mean to say that since I'm not in China and all the info I get is secondhand one has to be careful. Is something going on there? Almost certainly. Are the idiots tearing their hair and screaming "Chinese genocide!" absolutely overblown? Almost certainly as well.

I think all that some posters here are trying to do is to nudge you towards a healthy skepticism and not to immediately latch onto any convenient narrative, regardless of which side presents it.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
i never latched onto any opinion, i posted a bunch of articles lol

take what u want out of it, post grayzone retorts if u want, idc about changing cspam opinion i've long given up on u guys

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


dude the last go around about this ended with "well, you can't prove those kids don't like being in the barbed-wire residential school" i'm surprised you thought different

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

VomitOnLino posted:

Look, I have to be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about what is going on there. So I'm not going to pursue this any further, however, I would like to remind you, as friendly as possible, to consider that it's just plain difficult to believe anything that comes out of the mouth from some US-state connected entity concerning a country that these very same forces have declared to be an enemy of the United States of loving America.

Now, when I say I don't know a whole lot I simply mean to say that since I'm not in China and all the info I get is secondhand one has to be careful. Is something going on there? Almost certainly. Are the idiots tearing their hair and screaming "Chinese genocide!" absolutely overblown? Almost certainly as well.

I think all that some posters here are trying to do is to nudge you towards a healthy skepticism and not to immediately latch onto any convenient narrative, regardless of which side presents it.
ur name has been noted for the next qcs genocide denial thread list

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

comedyblissoption posted:

ur name has been noted for the next qcs genocide denial thread list

lol i was gonna say, r guyovich had some healthy skepticism :xd:

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Kill All Cops posted:

lol i was gonna say, r guyovich had some healthy skepticism :xd:

For someone who just "posted a bunch of articles" just for shits'n' giggles you sure seem to have a lot of butthurt. Maybe try some kegel exercises next time.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

VomitOnLino posted:

For someone who just "posted a bunch of articles" just for shits'n' giggles you sure seem to have a lot of butthurt. Maybe try some kegel exercises next time.

yep, my butt as hurt as much as the wumaos telling me im a race traitor for being born chinese in a western country and not toeing the CCP line . good one!

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Kill All Cops posted:

yep, my butt as hurt as much as the wumaos telling me im a race traitor for being born chinese in a western country and not toeing the CCP line . good one!

really? big lamaos if true

fake edit: what's a wumao?

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

NaanViolence posted:

In this particular aspect it's not even close. America's educational system is absolutely indoctrination, but we are not specifically and repeatedly taught starting from age 5 to hate Japan because of poo poo that happened drat near 80 years ago now.

They don't hate Japan because it aids and abets American hegemony. The average Chinese person doesn't even care about that. They hate Japan because of World War 2. It was both amusing and saddening to hear so many of my students sounding just like Castro-hating right-wing Cuban exiles. "My ancestors owned a bunch of factories that the Japanese destroyed and if not for that my family would be rich today!"

gonna take a wild guess here and posit that your students in particular are not representative of chinese students in general

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


No one in here works for the US government or the Chinese government (I hope), so you're all free to question whatever sources and come to your own conclusions. .

What is happening in Xinjiang is pretty goddamn awful, and disputing that on SomethingAwful.com isn't going to stop the future war on China that Trump pulls in October. So it's OK to try and judge this evidence on your own terms.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
How come they don't make up a story that the masks are being made by the forced Uighurs? So you can own CCP and own the libs at the same time? You can have my idea for free.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

oh yeah heres a fun fact i learned from right wing twitter apparently the democratic national convention never mentioned china once

so are we thinking this is because the democrats are giving up on xenophobia or that they thought bashing china was too dangerously close to stating a policy position

or were they just scared that if they talked about china too much they might provoke biden into talking about deng as if he were still alive again

huhwhat
Apr 22, 2010

by sebmojo

NaanViolence posted:

I wasn't even aware that you were probated. I've never reported anyone to mods and I certainly never will now that they've proven themselves too cowardly to destroy an entity that funded an abuser for decades.

my bad, thought it was u cuz u took the effort to quote a super old post of mine and not long after i was probed for an even older post








this feels more china thread than euro thread material:

i went on a reddit safari last weekend and lol the hunt is too easy. theres this chinese subreddit that posits itself as balanced and neutral just bcos its the only one not filled wall to wall with 支那.

look at this top pinned post from that sub thats been given numerous awards and upvotes



"ugh, so many pro-ccp and anti-ccp peeps pushing their own narrative about belarus, arguing about flags. let me give u some impartial insight. the flag thing? horseshit. its totally not fascist-adjacent, its actually steeped in rich belarusian history"

so whos this nice n kind redditor u/BadSoldierSvejk?

oh just some cyber horselord (mods pls rename me cyber horselord!!) who worships george washington and secretly dreams of a revival of the great mongol empire

their opinion on falun gong?

"falun gong never killed anyone, never swindled people, has a media arm that is respectful towards hk and taiwan independence, falun gong adherents r inherently better human beings than chinese people"

this narrative of the belarus protests totally not being a color revolution is not just being pushed outside the gfw but inside as well.
if u search zhihu for "belarus" as a topic, theres a translation of a crimethinc article thats in the top 5 or top 10 of posts not talking about travel tips to belarus
https://www.zhihu.com/topic/20007241/top-answers ranking
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/188756270 translation
https://crimethinc.com/2020/08/12/belarus-anarchists-in-the-uprising-against-the-dictatorship-an-interview original article

someone in the euro thread was wondering about the absence of leftists in belarusian protests? well our leftists friends the anarchists r there. the crimethinc piece interviewed some people claiming to be belarusian anarchists. they r defending the wrw flag usage vigorously just like our dear cyber horselord

quote:

We have seen some “anti-imperialists” alleging that the movement in Belarus is comprised of fascists. There are allegations that the flag many demonstrators are waving is associated with the Nazi occupation of Belarus, for example.

Anonymous: The first documented usage of the white-red-white (WRW) flag goes back to the fourteenth century. It’s used nowadays as a symbol of Belarusian self-determination in opposition to the modern state flag and in opposition to Lukashenko’s Belarus, since Lukashenko was the one who ordered the creation of what is currently the official flag of Belarus.

all this is making me think of pepe in hong kong and of people defending the usage of the imperial japanese flag due to its centuries old heritage. heritage not hate!

english wiki, google etc r not showing me anything on that 14th century claim (get to it u lazy langley fucks). the closest i got to was 16th century and that info comes from our pals over at euro maidan

http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/08/17/an-introduction-to-the-white-red-white-flag-of-belarus-and-the-belarusian-politics-of-memory/

quote:

As Alex Kokcharov points out, there is a legend – which is similar to that of the legends of the Latvian and Austrian flags – that the flag first appeared during a battle when the red blood of a knight ran over a white cloth following his injury as he continued to fight.

What we do know is that the Belarusian cavalry led by Konstanty Ostrogski rode under the white-red-white colors of the St. George Cross, one of the most important saints of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, at the iconic Battle of Orsha against a Muscovite army in 1514.

lukashenko is no angel and im still on the fence on it being a color rev but man this whole thing stinks

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Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

huhwhat posted:

pepe in hong kong

ah yes the pepe = nazi protesters take

because western connotations always translate easily into eastern

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