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For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those.
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exquisite tea posted:For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those. drat right. It's a second-hand observation made by people who can't be bothered to come up with an original thought. Plus a lot of the dad plots in games are pretty good by video game standards.
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Aug 25, 2020 10:36
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exquisite tea posted:For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those. I think we're on the back end of Dad Plots rather than the peak, but to me it's always been less about the amount of Dad Plots and more about the prominence. For a good few years there (I don't know exactly when it started, but I always want to say The Last Of Us) it felt like every major game released by a western studio was either directly or indirectly about Dad Themes. And while there were plenty of alternatives it never felt like we were talking about them, because the Dad Games were sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
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Aug 25, 2020 11:32
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Smirking_Serpent posted:Nier Automata has a hacking minigame, which is a basic shoot em up. A lot of people have a problem with it, but I don't mind it. It's not my favorite thing ever, but I can deal with the basic concept. Mass Effect and Borderlands 1/2/2.5 where the games are loot based rpgs but there are no rpg elements in the vehicle segments at all.
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Aug 25, 2020 11:46
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Sekiro: Kill Your Dad Twice
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Aug 25, 2020 11:47
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Mass Effect and Borderlands 1/2/2.5 where the games are loot based rpgs but there are no rpg elements in the vehicle segments at all. In Dying Light every single melee weapon can be customized to have multiple variations with different elemental and damage types. Same thing with shields, throwing weapons and arrows. Guns however are only a couple of set types and there's no customization at all, despite the fact that there's a mission chain to find and recruit a gunsmith to help you. (You do and all he does is spawn a bunch of regular guns for you.)
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Aug 25, 2020 12:49
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SubNat posted:Aren't the people you meet already dead? They just haven't been able to pass on yet was how I understood it from playing a session. Keep playing, the cosmology is utterly hosed by the end and makes you basically an absolutely tremendous rear end in a top hat to Stanley, especially if you get the two optional characters. Also you force one character to go through which is also rude. Your other points all valid and I have a huge pile of other complaints but I beat the game and did everything except the awful post final spirit content so obviously they didn't stop me.
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Aug 25, 2020 13:07
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muscles like this! posted:In Dying Light every single melee weapon can be customized to have multiple variations with different elemental and damage types. Same thing with shields, throwing weapons and arrows. Guns however are only a couple of set types and there's no customization at all, despite the fact that there's a mission chain to find and recruit a gunsmith to help you. (You do and all he does is spawn a bunch of regular guns for you.) Playing that game now (stil early in) and I'm bummed I won't be able to shoot lightning bullets. What's frustrating me about that game is a lot of weapons don't feel worth using. Big heavy two-handed weapons swing so slow without being that much stronger. I found a special shovel, but it was flat-out less useful than any random hammer or wrench I had. On the other hand, I've heard knives are good for DPS, but I just end up swinging and getting a million hits but since it doesn't interrupt enemy attacks, I take damage too. Oh, and my knife has a flame upgrade, so two swings in and now I'm hurting myself because the sumbitch is on fire while I'm hitting him. What am I missing?
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Aug 25, 2020 13:07
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Early on you want to focus on bashing weapons because they're better at knockback and stunning. Edged weapons start being useful once you begin to get stuff like swords and machetes. Knives are pretty much only good for throwing.
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Aug 25, 2020 13:16
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Good to know then. Thanks
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Aug 25, 2020 13:31
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exquisite tea posted:For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those. I think it's mostly because they're the games all the hype about games finally being Mature and For Grown-Ups and Art swirls around. (Also I think a lot of people mentally group Logan in with them despite that being a movie just cause it's extremely the same.)
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Aug 25, 2020 14:12
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Games have been Mature and for Grown-Ups since at least Final Fantasy X-2.
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Aug 25, 2020 14:20
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I got trackmania turbo for the kids to play and I have fond memories of playing an earlier trackmania (the first maybe) with friends at lanparties, and the second set of tracks in the campaign was a loving drag. I'm bad at video games generally because I'm getting older, and I've never been particularly good at driving games, but I especially hate the rally type tracks where one mistake makes you spin out of control into the trees. To make matters worse, the last track of the second world has a couple of pretty tight jumps that you have to approach from the right angle or you'll go off careening into a cliff or water, and you have to do three laps so if you mess up at the end that's another 2 minutes wasted which gets frustrating. Bronze is usually easy to get by just driving carefully, but you have to pick up speed to make the jumps, and you have to get at least bronze on all the tracks to unlock the next world, where you finally get the crazy loops and set pieces that make it a fun game. Having all the content locked away in a game like this sucks.
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Aug 25, 2020 14:41
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exquisite tea posted:For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those. I will never stop bitching about fallout 4
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Aug 25, 2020 15:08
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Wait, there was a child in Fallout 4? I thought that was a game about creating your own ladies-only throuple with Piper and Cait.
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Aug 25, 2020 16:12
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bony tony posted:Wait, there was a child in Fallout 4? I thought that was a game about creating your own ladies-only throuple with Piper and Cait. You didn't know? There was unique dialogue to literally every NPC to specifically ask about Shaun.
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Aug 25, 2020 16:19
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Actually, the game was about you and Curie building a settlement for Codsworth to live in. He never stopped waiting for you.
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Aug 25, 2020 16:38
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Leal posted:You didn't know? There was unique dialogue to literally every NPC to specifically ask about Shaun. ...who? Fallout 4 was the one about trying to befriend a weird goon who lived in a baseball diamond and had a podcast, right?
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Aug 25, 2020 16:59
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Leal posted:You didn't know? There was unique dialogue to literally every NPC to specifically ask about Shaun. 
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Aug 25, 2020 17:04
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I actually have been playing FO4 lately and while trying to work out a mod list I decided to see how little I mention Shaun, my son. Not just his name, but explicitly the part where he is referred to as your kid. Whats dragging down FO4 is how clumsy they will railroad you. You can skip a handful of main story quests by going to where Nick is being held. But when it comes to taking out Kellogg, you're railroaded. Kellogg's house has a button you press, but if you aren't in the right story quest the button doesn't exist. If you were to run to the place Kellogg is at, the elevator leading to him has some wood planks on it keeping you from going inside. You could shave 2 mentions of "Shaun, my child" if you could skip Nick!
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Aug 25, 2020 17:04
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It's also really clumsy when you've rescued Nick and sit down for the interview, because you go immediately from a badass mercenary who shoots first and asks for payment later, to a crying anxious mom who wants to see her babey
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Aug 25, 2020 17:30
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bony tony posted:It's also really clumsy when you've rescued Nick and sit down for the interview, because you go immediately from a badass mercenary who shoots first and asks for payment later, to a crying anxious mom who wants to see her babey  You're a synth, Nora.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:53
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FO4 could have been great if they dropped the kidnapped kid plot altogether and either dropped or massively improved the settlement experience. How in the world did they reconcile the main character legitimately believing her baby has been stolen by murderers and also you have to do a bunch of silly errands for people? All they had to do was let you be unfrozen, gawp at how wacky the world is, and either build up or terrorize the wasteland. Maybe with a big synth versus human main plot that is completely ignorable.
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Aug 25, 2020 18:13
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Being able to fix something with mods is no excuse for half-baked feature, but Sim Settlements is a must-have for that reason IMO.
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Aug 25, 2020 18:16
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New Vegas is the best modern Fallout precisely because your character's motivation is 1) Whatever you want it to be and 2) Only as pressing as you want it to be. Are you hell bent on revenge on Chandler, and nothing else will distract you until then? Fine. Do you understand that's just how the game is played, and don't even give a poo poo about him? Also fine.
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Aug 25, 2020 18:18
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I haven't played God of War Dad Edition because I think it seems like a bit of a paint-by-numbers way to continue the God of War franchise but I hope the game ends with Kratos slaughtering his new family again, just like he did the first time, and just going through all the same bullshit until he has turned Scandinavia into the same blighted hellscape that he turned Greece into for no real reason. I loved the original God of War series but Kratos was one of the most embarrassingly childish characters in western games. Wow this guy throws a years-long tantrum because of a mistake that he originally made, killing millions of innocents in the process. freakin badass...
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Aug 25, 2020 18:37
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The Dark Queen is never playable at any point of the new Battletoads game which I think is a huge missed opportunity for them when she's on your side for most of the story.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:05
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Necrothatcher posted:Kratos is unlikeable but he's also pretty interesting so nah. What's interesting about him? Angry man kill everything. He doesn't even have an iconic hat. exquisite tea posted:For all the endless bitching about dad plots there are like, three prominent games with fatherhood themes made in the last five years. You might as well complain about the deluge of post-apocalyptic, samurai or Norse-themed games, there are a lot more examples of those. I've complained about Norse games too fwiw. Samurai games are just foreverial so that theme has sort of faded into the background at this point. Anyway as has been mentioned it was less about the number of games (which was more than 3) and more about the amount of conversation/"serious art" navel gazing they generated over insanely basic "having a child changes everything" sort of observations. Fallout 4 was the only good dad game because I ended up killing and eating my son before realizing who he was and that's a reasonably novel direction. The Moon Monster has a new favorite as of 19:40 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 19:36
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Casey Finnigan posted:I haven't played God of War Dad Edition because I think it seems like a bit of a paint-by-numbers way to continue the God of War franchise but I hope the game ends with Kratos slaughtering his new family again, just like he did the first time, and just going through all the same bullshit until he has turned Scandinavia into the same blighted hellscape that he turned Greece into for no real reason. IIRC he didn't kill his family this time but by the end he is engaged in another blood feud with the norse pantheon although in a twist he was trying to be the reasonable one this time.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:40
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You're always going to find some insufferable quotient of hot takes on the internet but I never saw this puportedly overwhelming tide of "games are art now" because they started incorporating themes of fatherhood, at least not in greater frequency than any other lame simplistic game journalist narrative. I'm sure some people genuinely believe that but who cares, it's harmless.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:40
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Casey Finnigan posted:I haven't played God of War Dad Edition because I think it seems like a bit of a paint-by-numbers way to continue the God of War franchise but I hope the game ends with Kratos slaughtering his new family again, just like he did the first time, and just going through all the same bullshit until he has turned Scandinavia into the same blighted hellscape that he turned Greece into for no real reason. original kratos is a pretty standard greek tragedy protagonist just dialed up to an absurd pitch (with the exception of gow 3's ending which gets unbearably stupid even by that series' standards) reboot kratos is a masterpiece of deadpan comedy
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Aug 25, 2020 19:41
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exquisite tea posted:You're always going to find some insufferable quotient of hot takes on the internet but I never saw this puportedly overwhelming tide of "games are art now" because they started incorporating themes of fatherhood, at least not in greater frequency than any other lame simplistic game journalist narrative. I'm sure some people genuinely believe that but who cares, it's harmless. It was a trend for awhile and it was annoying during that while and now it's largely over. It seems like there was a specific window to get into the industry where you got to be a videogame auteur, at least in the AAA space, so a bunch of guys had kids and had feelings about having kids at around the same time and now they've gotten it out of their system. The closest thing I can think of we have going on at the moment is learning that most game studios are run by abusers/sex pests which isn't really a theme or motif, but maybe it will be easier to see one looking back.
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Aug 25, 2020 19:49
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exquisite tea posted:You're always going to find some insufferable quotient of hot takes on the internet but I never saw this puportedly overwhelming tide of "games are art now" because they started incorporating themes of fatherhood, at least not in greater frequency than any other lame simplistic game journalist narrative. I'm sure some people genuinely believe that but who cares, it's harmless. I'm an only child and not a father so my hot takes are going to be dumber than most but I still wonder what happened to everyone's moms though. At least the new God of War has you cremating her immediately so that question is answered immediately. Other times I'm just like 'Did they antagonize an Old One or something? No one even mentions them off hand, it's like their entire existence was removed from our dimension.'
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Aug 25, 2020 20:10
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RareAcumen posted:I'm an only child and not a father so my hot takes are going to be dumber than most but I still wonder what happened to everyone's moms though. It's cause moms don't play games, duh. Games are only for boys and moms are girls. e: this is a pretty interesting video on the phenomenon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIzkGiYdJc Casey Finnigan has a new favorite as of 20:31 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 20:14
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imo the dad games thing is just the guys who designed the oppressively boring super manly 00s game all reaching their late 30s and becoming dads at the same time, and because they're game devs they work 90 hours a week and never see their kids, so every single one made the same game about being an estranged dad who's afraid to let go of his simple and successful career but knows he has responsibilities and should maybe reprioritize but doesn't know how This neatly explains where the mums are as well - with the yoga instructor
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Aug 25, 2020 20:15
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The only good Sad Dad Game is Mad Dad: Asura's Wrath.  (Things dragging it down: no modern port or rerelease of it, though I guess you can play it at 4k nowadays on a pc with an emulator.)
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Aug 25, 2020 20:26
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SubNat posted:The only good Sad Dad Game is Mad Dad: Asura's Wrath. I liked Asura's Wrath but it did the whole supremely lovely "buy the dlc for the real ending" thing so I ended up just watching said ending on youtube rather than playing it.
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Aug 25, 2020 21:10
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I would play an alternative version of GoW with mom leading the bloody quest and learning to be a parent, after Kratos died offscreen from being an aggressive dumbshit
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Aug 25, 2020 21:31
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Hot take: having an opinion one way or another on the three existing dad games is indicative of severe brain poisoning
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Aug 25, 2020 21:35
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What about having an opinion on people’s opinions about them?
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