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THS
Sep 15, 2017

NaanViolence posted:

The main one that comes to my mind is Taiwan. It's a version of China that is vastly superior in just about every meaningful way

you are absolutely my favorite poster in cspam. this fuckin owns thank you

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sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I beg to differ, it would be easier for the CCP to potentially intergrate the Taiwanese (Han) population into China than integrating the Uyghurs population. By "integrating", I mean a Chinese definition which demand a higher level of sinicization of the minorities than other countries.

See the way I see it the Uyghurs people, unlike the Hui people, are getting so much trouble from the Xi security police (let's call them the hard nose fraction of CCP), essentially because they are unwilling to submit to sinicization like all the other minorities in China, unwilling to intermix with Han people, unwilling to turn their own culture into a caricature to maximize tourism gain etc etc. That's just my reading, I got no hard numbers to back it up.

And that's why to the CCP, it would be way easier to integrate Han people outside mainland than with the Uyghurs inside mainland. If you don't believe it, come back and check out HK in 20 to 30 years. I mean you can see the integration happening right before your eyes. CCP already has cleaned house in the legislature branch. They are going to go through the HK governments slowly and have started working on the dept of education. CCP take media and education very seriously so watch out for all the news coming out from these parts. And when do you know HK is fully integrated into part of China? When 20 years down the road, HK switch from left-hand drive to right-hand drive with much fanfare, you would know HK has been fully become part of the "Greater Bay Area". Taiwan is not so different from HK you know.

I am not really preaching for it. I recently encountered a criticism of "development" which essentially say that all the developing countries have sacrificed many indigenous personalities and cultures in the name of development and modern nation building. I think this criticism can apply to most of the east Asian countries.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Aug 25, 2020

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

NaanViolence posted:

It is cultural genocide,

The marxist approach to culture is to separate barbaric practices from genuine practices

for example, banning foot binding on women but keeping traditional music

The same is probably done with local muslim practices. Polygamy, puritanism separatism etc are most likely discouraged alongside more arbitrary practices

China would have to ban their language and religion completely for it to be in the realm of cultural genocide

right now China is approaching it from "safeguarding traditional culture from foreign wahhabist influence" in a repressive way


Belt and road will hopefully bring more investment and trade there and have that region develop to the point where they can thrive without looking toward separatism for meaning


Anyways, no one in this thread blindly believes any government, our beef with GBS has always been with their slavish credulity to the same tired western propaganda strategies against foreign powers

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GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

sincx posted:

The US should have let Taiwan get nukes in the 70s.

The United States is the main factor in stopping Taiwan getting them, for 30 years

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

sincx posted:

The US should have let Taiwan get nukes in the 70s.

70s Taiwan was not the 'vastly superior' taiwan yet and so maybe by not having nukes they ended up having working democracy and human rights

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

The US should give them nukes now though, for a fee

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007
The US should give everyone bikes imo



edit: leaving that autocorrect

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:

See the way I see it the Uyghurs people, unlike the Hui people, are getting so much trouble from the Xi security police (let's call them the hard nose fraction of CCP), essentially because they are unwilling to submit to sinicization like all the other minorities in China, unwilling to intermix with Han people, unwilling to turn their own culture into a caricature to maximize tourism gain etc etc. That's just my reading, I got no hard numbers to back it up.

I don't think it's that all uighur are uniquely anti-han it's more that the 'integrated' minorities had the integration begin way earlier in human history, no?

I think if there wasn't a terrorist threat there wouldn't be interment camps, in other words I don't think it was motivated as ethnic cleansing, but it is one as a side effect of Han chauvinism in an incredibly disproportional response to terrorism.

Hong kong could erupt more deadly than Xinjiang and you wouldn't see random native hong kongers put into involuntary vocational training or native hong kong children being forbidden to speak cantonese in public.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

China already has nukes?

Malkina_
May 13, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

NaanViolence posted:

It is cultural genocide, but thank you for not responding with some tired version of "but AMERIKKKA tho!!!!1111"

I agree that Xinjiang is too far gone at this point for America or anyone else to realistically do anything about it without causing more harm than good.

This is not the case in other areas, however. The main one that comes to my mind is Taiwan. It's a version of China that is vastly superior in just about every meaningful way and it only exists because the authoritarian American empire has had its back. We have their back for generally lovely reasons, but that doesn't make the results not awesome. Lobbying the government and our fellow citizens to continue supporting Taiwan is a good thing that Americans sso.

LOL

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





there is nothing that anyone can do to change poo poo around the world via this dead gay comedy forum except for maybe donating to candidates. We just have to work out what's happening by wading through all the bullshit for some semblance of the truth. My assertion on the last page is probably wrong because I don't know poo poo about poo poo

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

sincx posted:

It's the Han Chinese version of "white cop will spend 3 hours peacefully trying to talk down a crazy white dude with a machine gun, but will immediately shoot an unarmed black kid who's getting his license out of his wallet"

lovely and inexcusable and a human rights violation in both cases

From what I can tell it's something like this at the level of an entire region's administration yeah

at least the US uses coded language

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Join up with your Uyghur bretheren to ethnically cleanse Shias and Christians from Syria. The United States thanks you for your service.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Atrocious Joe posted:

China already has nukes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUKFc1Du86U

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
drat... arrested for rocking too hard... dunno how i feel about beijing now

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1298333838742102018?s=19

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



sincx posted:

WTF
pangzai is like one of china's top soft power exports

https://twitter.com/cjamesmay/status/1298367937947066370

mr xi, i want off this tank

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Cao Ni Ma posted:

mr xi, i want off this tank

https://twitter.com/marauder1008/status/1298411179556122625

https://twitter.com/marauder1008/status/1298411972229304323

Looks like he just had an anxiety episode that hosed up his sleeping pattern, which made him be really down and cause this.

duomo
Oct 9, 2007




Soiled Meat
https://twitter.com/hebeipangzai/status/1298419644315758592

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

Malkina_ posted:

So kindly gently caress off then.

Small Gay Planet posted:

back to the gbs china thread and take all the succ with you you imperialist swine

nice to see all these courageous lurkers dogpiling with some more insightful discussion to China thread

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
efb

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




getting back into the tank

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
So Trump is going to ban wechat and China is going to ban twitter to make sure Pangzai lost all his oversea fans.

Does he have a tictok account?

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
what are you even on, tino?

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
https://twitter.com/BigBrother_Bot/status/1298354508901298180

https://twitter.com/BigBrother_Bot/status/1298354586307235843

https://twitter.com/BigBrother_Bot/status/1298358896269111296

lol

https://twitter.com/BigBrother_Bot/status/1298452568650252288

hahhaahha

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Ferdinand the Bull
Jul 30, 2006

Kill All Cops posted:

so its either, genocide isn't happening, thousands of disappeared Uighurs is a myth. Chinese in no way possess the ability to organ harvest Muslims en masse, or lock down that kind of information within the Great Firewall. Actually all the good Muslims are in re-education and bad Muslims in prisons. All legal in accordance with the law.

Or lol genocide is happening everywhere look at Amerrikkka and Israel. Fascism everywhere! China did nothing uniquely evil. Yemen.

weird how bad things cant happen at the same time and we can't just accept criticism or debate how bad poo poo is huh

Tankies.

Theyre loving idiots who hero worship the CCP. The most central tenent of Marxism os to distrust structures of power.

Theyre bad socialists and even worse posters.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
The most central tenent of Marxism is to distrust structures of power, and that's why we must accept without question all claims by western media and pro interventionist libs about the nefarious and uniquely evil China.

Rabelais D
Dec 11, 2012

ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door
They also couldn't give a poo poo about the plight of the workers.

All pro CCP posters should come live in China and get exploited even worse for their labour than they would elsewhere so the rich get richer and the middle classes can keep buying iPhones

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Ferdinand the Bull posted:

Tankies.

Theyre loving idiots who hero worship the CCP. The most central tenent of Marxism os to distrust structures of power.

Theyre bad socialists and even worse posters.

that is not the most central tenet of marxism

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
A state can be bad while also not breathlessly accepting and repeating claims made by a equally (at worst) state.

Is turning off the ability to view things critically a necessity when discussing China or something? Lol

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

thatfatkid posted:

A state can be bad while also not breathlessly accepting and repeating claims made by a equally (at worst) state.

Is turning off the ability to view things critically a necessity when discussing China or something? Lol

ignoring basically any western claims that weren’t made for intergovernmental consumption is a necessity, as tibet and tienanmen square objectively proved.

like at this point you’re arguing “well phrenology has a massive body of work, you can’t just ignore ALL of it.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Ignoring =/= not breathlessly accepting and repeating.

Hope that helps for future :)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i don't know if i recall posting but one thing that guy's tour company does is sponsor d-list british soccer teams

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

thatfatkid posted:

Ignoring =/= not breathlessly accepting and repeating.

Hope that helps for future :)

you’re maintaining that both countries are equally bad and a million iraqis and a host of other people trampled by the west would argue that’s not true.

chinese media has been, objectively, more truthful than western media, and should should be believed before whatever NED links you’re breathlessly reposting from the bad thread.

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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

uninterrupted posted:

you’re maintaining that both countries are equally bad and a million iraqis and a host of other people trampled by the west would argue that’s not true.

chinese media has been, objectively, more truthful than western media, and should should be believed before whatever NED links you’re breathlessly reposting from the bad thread.

I think you have me confused for a pro interventionist lib, I agree with your takes on chinese vs western media... And i possibly misinterpreted your first post at me?

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