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My July Model 3 has the "old" frunk, struts and headlights. Not any kind of issue as far as I can tell. CannonFodder posted:Powered trunk? What's the case use for that? The powered trunk came about because a handicapped guy messaged Elon saying he had a model 3 on order but needed a powered trunk to get his wheelchair in. So Elon did it for free. So I assume that convinced Tesla to modify the trunk struts to better allow for the addition of power. The other thing is that the way the Model 3 trunk is hinged makes it harder for weaker or shorter people to use. Yuns fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Some people in some countries are more into powered trunks than others.
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Aug 24, 2020 19:19
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CannonFodder posted:Powered trunk? What's the case use for that? Convenience of not having to open and close the trunk lid yourself. It's on the model Y, S, and X, plus most all other luxury cars. My fiancée's 2004 Lexus had it, and it was quite nice for when your hands were full carrying stuff. E: Yuns posted:The powered trunk came about because a handicapped guy messaged Elon saying he had a model 3 on order but needed a powered trunk to get his wheelchair in. So Elon did it for free. So I assume that convinced Tesla to modify the trunk struts to better allow for the addition of power.
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Aug 24, 2020 19:27
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A PHEV solves most of the issues regarding the use case of someone who does mostly shorter trips but needs the ability to travel longer distances. Having seen the supercharger lines at the Madonna Inn on a regular weekend, let alone last Thanksgiving where they were so long it made the news, I probably wouldn't be relying upon them during a holiday weekend.
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IMO PHEVs are definitely a better environmental proposition than some people think. My friend has a VW Passat PHEV, and the battery of that thing is just enough for him to get to work in the winter. He charges at work, and then makes it home. On a regular working week, he never uses any petrol. At the same time, if he needs to do some towing or go on a family trip, he can just do that with no more planning than in a regular ICE car. Having people driving around with batteries that have ten times the capacity needed for 99% of their driving is incredibly wasteful, and that's without going into the huge problems with battery metals. Ola posted:A different angle: Driving EVs are better for the environment than burning fossil fuels. In order to help minimize the impact of your road trip, just how little are you willing to sacrifice? I mean, considering the enormous damage oil-producing countries and companies do to the world by virtue of not just leaving it in the ground, I'd say this whole thing of trying to shift responsibility to the individual is not cool.
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Legislators aren't working to outlaw fossil fuels right now. That should change. That doesn't mean the individual can't contribute by making fossil fuel extraction slightly less profitable by not using it for personal transportation. It isn't one or the other; you don't get to say "these larger entities are doing nothing, therefore I don't have to do anything either".
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Aug 24, 2020 20:07
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Finger Prince posted:I have to agree that renting a car last minute (ie anywhere under a week in advance), even in America, land of cheap and plentiful car rentals, is really not a workable solution. Especially considering that in some areas, many rental agencies have mileage limits - limits which you'll quickly go over if you're doing anything that wouldn't be practical in an entry-level EV. quote:However, a few minutes of looking where the charge points are on your route, should you need one, is really all the planning you need to do. My work colleague did a few thousand km's road trip on his Bolt from Quebec down through the eastern seaboard of the US and back, and he didn't need to go out of his way for anything. Plus Plugshare now lets you filter by power output, which is essential (for anything other than Tesla, at least) for making sure that you'll be able to get back on the road reasonably quickly.
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CannonFodder posted:Powered trunk? What's the case use for that? It's super convenient, I'm not sure there needs to be anything else. I installed the Hansshow kit and it was a royal pain in the rear end but it's really nice having it now. If my hands are full I can just open the trunk entirely through voice using an app too. When you're done push button and walk away. I tried the aftermarket auto-open struts first but then the missus couldn't close the trunk at all, she's pretty short and it required way too much force. The heat pump would've been super handy as well up here in Canada. Oh well, at least I don't do a lot of distance driving in the winter.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:IMO PHEVs are definitely a better environmental proposition than some people think. My Volt has worked out perfectly for me.. I only have charging at home (Level 2) But my normal commute is only about 15 miles roundtrip, so the Volt easily covers this year round. Just last week I put gas in it for the first time since February. 8 gallons lasted 6 months!
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Ola posted:Comfortably within opportunity for most current EVs in environments where there is a certain charging infrastructure, which is bound to be commonplace sooner or later - obviously in EV hotspots like Norway, the Netherlands and California first. And the comment I initially responded to suggested that renting cars was better than building such infrastructure.
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Aug 24, 2020 22:21
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Speleothing posted:You are vastly underestimating the number of people who like to take a 200 mile trip without having to plan ahead. Won't have a charging station at the big crowded parking lot, and you're already trying to cram the whole trip into a single weekend or a single day so spending a half hour each direction kinda sucks. So buy a Tesla.
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Wibla posted:So buy a Tesla. Do you get that snarky with everyone who doesn't think exactly like you? Tesla isn't THE answer. It's part of the answer, which works for some people.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:IMO PHEVs are definitely a better environmental proposition than some people think. Not to cause a political argument but batteries are 100% recyclable until the end of time and all the materials can be obtained domestically in a safe manner. I work in the oil industry (exploration/geology side) and the levels of danger for oil production are so understated. Plus once you burn the gas it's gone forever.
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Shamino posted:I work in the oil industry (exploration/geology side) and the levels of danger for oil production are so understated. I recall when we did a bit of subcontracting in that field; the safety per hour / incidences for any sort of accident was averaged out over All Staff (i think this included contractors too!) ; people on off shore rigs were in the same total as administrative staff who worked out of fairly standard on-shore offices ; far away from any refineries or other related dangers...
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Speleothing posted:You are vastly underestimating the number of people who like to take a 200 mile trip without having to plan ahead. Won't have a charging station at the big crowded parking lot, and you're already trying to cram the whole trip into a single weekend or a single day so spending a half hour each direction kinda sucks. I've personally never had a problem renting a car at the last minute, IMO it's not really more convenient to go out of your way to hit a charging station compared to renting a car. The overwhelming majority of EV owners also have a second gas powered car, this figure is higher for Tesla despite its charging infrastructure... Plus wouldn't this same argument apply to trucks as well? Yet most people get by fine without one. Gamesguy fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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CannonFodder posted:Are there no tax credits in Australia? CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:No there isnt. And even if we had say a 10K subsidy, 45K for what you get in a Leaf is still not great - Thats still in with the higher end hatchbacks and performace options. You would have to be basically only buying the Leaf because it's an EV and not because it's better value or does anything better. There is a discount (higher ceiling) on LCT for EVs which is basically a credit on the sales tax for anything at or above a Model3 price point.
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stirlo posted:I recall when we did a bit of subcontracting in that field; the safety per hour / incidences for any sort of accident was averaged out over All Staff (i think this included contractors too!) ; people on off shore rigs were in the same total as administrative staff who worked out of fairly standard on-shore offices ; far away from any refineries or other related dangers... I'm talking about pulling up radioactive water and accidentally drenching the crew, popping a water table on a frack site, plants exploding, plants drenching the entire city of Houston in toxic fumes for two weeks straight, spills, gently caress the list goes on. We will always need hydrocarbons but it is a dirty dirty business. On the flip side it's one of the last bastions of absolute bleeding edge science and industry. Also the people on site are generally contractors or sub-contractors so their injuries may not have been reported. Also offshore is apparently one of the safest/nicest places to be now. I've heard some of the rigs are like floating Marriotts.
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Gamesguy posted:I've personally never had a problem renting a car at the last minute, IMO it's not really more convenient to go out of your way to hit a charging station compared to renting a car. The overwhelming majority of EV owners also have a second gas powered car, this figure is higher for Tesla despite its charging infrastructure... Most people have no need for a truck, ever, especially something spur of the moment. And if they do it's easier to borrow a friend's truck or ride with them to Home Depot than to rent a truck. I can fit 10-ft boards in my Volt. People who do full sized sheetrock buy trucks, because that's not really a spur of the moment thing. And also trucks have matched/passed passenger cars in sales in the US. Edit: V Quite right. Godholio fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Godholio posted:Most people have no need for a truck, yet trucks have matched/passed passenger cars in sales in the US. Fixed, in order to make some point about what people want and need. If people want an EV, they'll get by with an EV.
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Shamino posted:
Absolutely ; we had to remote support the rigs and they sounded Far nicer, and safer to work at than the Refineries. Well. As long as they dont go Deepwater.. The industry has far too much political power in Australia on all sides; i would not be surprised if they even have infiltrated the Green Party or gotten at least some donations. NORM was a “fun/ strange nickname” til you learned R was for Radiation  and the pre entry safety exam and videos did not do much to help your anxiety on which way to run if things went bad... scorched earth from an incident in the 90s is still everywhere at one major plant too; i went from being quite the “petrol head” to wanting an EV, or any other type of non oil transit;; the current oil should either stay in the earth or be carefully used for things we cannot synthesise or have renewable / recycled.
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Ford should sell this as a special edition, but make sure to add wheelie control like modern supersport bikes https://twitter.com/jimfarley98/status/1298386056589565960?s=20
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MomJeans420 posted:Ford should sell this as a special edition, but make sure to add wheelie control like modern supersport bikes Nah, just keep the wheelie bar and parachute as it is like in that vid. The car sounds amazing at launch.
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GM finally released images of the Bolt EUV and gen 2 Bolt EV: Bolt EUV:  Gen 2 Bolt EV:  Some more info here: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/08/first-chevrolet-bolt-ev-and-bolt-euv-teaser-images-released/ again confirming Super Cruise. These are 2022 cars.
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EUV looks kinda decent in profile. I will be interested to see how it does. Seems like no AWD option eliminates a potential distinguishing feature from the Korean compact SUVs.
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Westy543 posted:again confirming Super Cruise. Profiles look good but let's see em with the lights on.
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FilthyImp posted:Is it that bullshit Driving as a Service subscription thing the Cadillacs have? No it isn't.
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I hate the angry eyes they give all cars today. This world is angry enough, cars don't need to be aggressive too.
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FilthyImp posted:Is it that bullshit Driving as a Service subscription thing the Cadillacs have? No it's their auto cruise control+lane keeping thing. It only works on certain roads that GM has mapped out and it uses eye tracking to make sure you're actually still looking at the road.
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RZA Encryption posted:I hate the angry eyes they give all cars today. This world is angry enough, cars don't need to be aggressive too. Even the car companies know cars are always trying to kill you.
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Humerus posted:No it's their auto cruise control+lane keeping thing. It only works on certain roads that GM has mapped out and it uses eye tracking to make sure you're actually still looking at the road. And it requires an On Star subscription to work. https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/16/cadillac-super-cruise-onstar-subscription-cost/ https://www.businessinsider.com/cadillac-super-cruise-trial-ends-soon-gm-to-start-charging-subscription-fees-report-2020-8 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/08/always-read-the-fine-print-gm-super-cruise-only-free-for-three-years/
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RZA Encryption posted:And it requires an On Star subscription to work. What a crock of poo poo, I've been looking into getting a used Bolt (so no supercruise either way) and as I understand it, to do remote preconditioning you also need OnStar? That actually really sucks because any Bolts I could afford would be done with the three year free OnStar. I'd love to have my car already cold when I'm ready to leave the beach or whatever.
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Will GM do anything in Europe after they broke up with Opel? Do it themselves, with someone else or nothing?
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Ola posted:Will GM do anything in Europe after they broke up with Opel? Do it themselves, with someone else or nothing? First of all, not a breakup. GM sold its European subsidiary to PSA. Break up implies merger of equals or alliance.You could probably describe the unwinding of DCX as a break up (although pushing it), and you could certainly describe the Nissan-Renault alliance unwinding as a break up if it happens. I'm being fussy because you are making it sound like GME / Opel / Vauxhall had any kind of decision making authority, which they decidedly did not. GM does not appear to have any plans to re-enter Europe at this time, and I don't think there are any logical partners for them to work with unless other weird stuff happens globally. Maybe Renault if Nissan-Renault collapses, but I think it's very unlikely.
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Humerus posted:What a crock of poo poo, I've been looking into getting a used Bolt (so no supercruise either way) and as I understand it, to do remote preconditioning you also need OnStar? That actually really sucks because any Bolts I could afford would be done with the three year free OnStar. I'd love to have my car already cold when I'm ready to leave the beach or whatever. When I bought my used Spark EV (and from an independent, non-chevy dealer) I got a free On Star trial. I was bummed when it ended, but it was nice while it lasted. You might get a free trial when it transfers ownership.
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I was under the impression that there were still Cadillac dealerships in Europe? Also, yes, onstar delivering all this poo poo "as a service" has strongly dissuaded me from buying one of their vehicles. I'd be more annoyed if my Volt didn't come with 5 years of free "EV mobile command," which is just remote access.
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My Bolt is still in OnStar demo mode...I leased it in January.
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Westy543 posted:I was under the impression that there were still Cadillac dealerships in Europe? Aftersales support only due to regulations. They also tend to handle other weird stuff like gray market GM muscle and stuff like that. You can't buy a new Cadillac in Europe.
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I'm not loving these new things auto makers are doing like requiring subscriptions for car features (Kia requires a UVO subscription to use their phone app to access remote access features on your car) and locking built in features behind software and charging to unlock them (Tesla acceleration boost; KTM track and performance modes etc.).
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Yuns posted:I'm not loving these new things auto makers are doing like requiring subscriptions for car features (Kia requires a UVO subscription to use their phone app to access remote access features on your car) and locking built in features behind software and charging to unlock them (Tesla acceleration boost; KTM track and performance modes etc.). The Kia bit is obviously fair enough, as it depends on a mobile network which costs the car maker money per use. Not only the mobile traffic but also running web servers which handle the requests. I haven't heard about a new smart device for a long time, but way back in 2018 or something it was common to sell smart household gadgets without subscriptions, imagining the cloud bills would be paid by new VC capital, new sales or *shuffles papers* "I don't know, let's just see". "Premium features" like more acceleration is another thing all together, it's mostly them trying stuff out, seeing how it goes. But aren't you better off without it in every case? If they suddenly nerfed it and asked for money, and there was no small print when I bought it, I would be pissed. But super special "track" (i.e. a quiet Sunday road we're doing a vlog on) features that go beyond what you paid for, sure go nuts. Think of the money you save every month, being happy with your safe, milque toast 4-something 0-62 instead of paying extra for a 3.8.
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