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LordMune posted:It hurts how hyped I am for you all to play the game. I really enjoy Stellaris and think it's quite good, I just never enjoy combat/war in 4X games. The exploration is the best in any 4X game out there. I'm very excited to play this. I'm now debating between the two start dates. Which one do I choose?  Come on and release already!
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah drat paradox for sending review copies out to regular passionate nerds, and not just professional speakers and marketers. Yeah it's pretty cool and not at all shady how publishers are now paying a bunch of biased fanboys to show off their games while actual games coverage outlets who won't shill for them are still locked up behind NDAs.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:59
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Guest posted:Yeah it's pretty cool and not at all shady how publishers are now paying a bunch of biased fanboys to show off their games while actual games coverage outlets who won't shill for them are still locked up behind NDAs. They sent out review copies and only told some of us we're allowed to review it including people in my own network which makes me feel like a big piece of poo poo. I feel like the reason is because Imperator was blown up before launch. It's not that anyone in particular is a bigger fan boy than the next, and I talk to spiff enough to know he's unbiased in his game opinions. They're just limiting it to people who would lose something by loving up a NDA.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:15
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Guest posted:Yeah it's pretty cool and not at all shady how publishers are now paying a bunch of biased fanboys to show off their games while actual games coverage outlets who won't shill for them are still locked up behind NDAs. "Games coverage outlets" received review copies back in May if I'm remembering correctly. PC Gamer, IGN, Rock Paper Shotgun, and GameSpot at least all put out videos (plus some articles) back then. Not sure if that's specifically what you're referring to, but there's some coverage out there that isn't "YouTube influencers".
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Aug 27, 2020 19:17
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Is this definitely going on the xbox game Pass on release day? I mean, I'm going to buy it eventually anyway so I can buy expansions, but if it is I might wait a few months and play it for "free" in the meantime. I already pay for game pass so it's effectively free.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:28
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Masonity posted:Is this definitely going on the xbox game Pass on release day? Yeah it already shows up in the game list you just can't download it
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Aug 27, 2020 19:32
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This suggests it will absolutely be available on PC Game Pass on the 1st. edit: also actually checking Game Pass I guess!
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Aug 27, 2020 19:33
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orangelex44 posted:People complain(ed) about Stellaris, but not until after they dumped 60 hours into it. It's objectively not a bad game, and never was. It's just been hurt because people expected it to having the staying power of CK, EU, or even HOI... but without the twenty years of iteration on the formula the other games had. Making a game be fun for hundreds of hours is super hard, and even when you're starting from a template (PDX grand strategy) that doesn't mean there won't be edges that need smoothing. stellaris is a pretty bad 4X but there's very few good 4Xs so what can you do
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Aug 27, 2020 19:35
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I wonder if the game pass version will have the same thing as flight simulator where you can pretend to be from a pacific island and get it a day early lol
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Gamerofthegame posted:stellaris is a pretty bad 4X but there's very few good 4Xs so what can you do You might say there are no good 4X cause the whole industry seems stuck trying to modernize Master of Orion 2. Which is remembered fondly partly cause we didn't care about UI and balance and having a race of greedy nosy gnomes one of which is called Zog.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:31
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Guest posted:Having watched most of the early previews from the CK3 youtubers, I can confirm that this must certainly be true. Almost all of them were British cringelords who went full LARP mode wearing crowns and fur mantles and poo poo, and half of them affect an accent that is so insufferably posh that I can only assume they are doing it on purpose to sound as inbred as their ingame character. Bavaria is like Texas in the sense that it has a very strong national identity separate from Germany/The United States.
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Guest posted:Yeah it's pretty cool and not at all shady how publishers are now paying a bunch of biased fanboys to show off their games while actual games coverage outlets who won't shill for them are still locked up behind NDAs. Wut? The reason for review embargoes are two-fold, so that we can make a splash when most of them are release at the same time, and more importantly, so that reviewers have time to play the game and aren't stressed into writing a review before they have be able to spend enough time with the game. The idea that paying influencers to make lifestyle video and then pretend that those are reviews is a biiiiit of a stretch. Edit: Also did you miss the preview we gave to journalists a few months ago? It's not like we're hiding the game 
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Guest posted:It says a lot that the best CK3 youtuber is apparently a guy called "One Proud Bavarian", which is... a distracting name to say the least. Like I spent his whole preview video wondering if he was about to say some horrendous nationalist poo poo, and how much I should be reading into him invading Poland, and it still ended up being a way better viewing experience than any of the other clowns. you have brain worms
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ilitarist posted:You might say there are no good 4X cause the whole industry seems stuck trying to modernize Master of Orion 2. Which is remembered fondly partly cause we didn't care about UI and balance and having a race of greedy nosy gnomes one of which is called Zog. Right
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Aug 27, 2020 21:51
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I can understand seeing a really nationalist name in the year 2020 and being like "that could go poorly." But I watched him, and it didn't go poorly, so... chill maybe? I learned a thing about Bavaria from it even.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:03
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fuf posted:I wonder if the game pass version will have the same thing as flight simulator where you can pretend to be from a pacific island and get it a day early lol I assume its going to go out at the same time world wide.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:06
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Midnight Voyager posted:I can understand seeing a really nationalist name in the year 2020 and being like "that could go poorly." But I watched him, and it didn't go poorly, so... chill maybe? I learned a thing about Bavaria from it even. Yeah, that guy actually seems chill and alright.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:07
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still a fuckin terrible name though lmao
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Aug 27, 2020 22:09
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Who knows when he chose that nickname, and how old he was. At some point you're stuck with your terrible name, especially if your internet personality is your job
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Aug 27, 2020 22:11
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Bavaria's quite nice to be fair.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:22
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I really want to get hyped for this since I missed out on CK2. It looks like it has lots of things I love about games but I think my (broken) brain is having trouble getting into it. It’s a conceptual thing. I think I don’t know what the “goal” is when I play CK2 (and presumably CK3). I know it’s a sandbox and you can make your own goals, but let’s say my goal is to get a ton of land and power - it seems arbitrary to me to pick a small and poor family when I could just play as an emperor. I know I’m looking at it wrong, it just hasn’t clicked yet. Where does the goal/fun of the game come from for you? Edit: is it just a matter of this game demands more “role playing” than other games to engage with it as a player?
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Midnight Voyager posted:I can understand seeing a really nationalist name in the year 2020 and being like "that could go poorly." But I watched him, and it didn't go poorly, so... chill maybe? I learned a thing about Bavaria from it even. That's literally exactly what the poster said they did Whorelord posted:Bavaria's quite nice to be fair. One of my best friends lives in Saxony-Anhalt and she loathes Bavaria. I trust her more than any goon.
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Tenacious J posted:I really want to get hyped for this since I missed out on CK2. It looks like it has lots of things I love about games but I think my (broken) brain is having trouble getting into it. It’s a conceptual thing. I think I don’t know what the “goal” is when I play CK2 (and presumably CK3). I know it’s a sandbox and you can make your own goals, but let’s say my goal is to get a ton of land and power - it seems arbitrary to me to pick a small and poor family when I could just play as an emperor. Let's say you want a ton of land and power and you decide to play as an emperor: Emperors don't control the whole world. Do you want more land and power? Emperors have varying control over their subordinates. How are you going to put down rebellions? How are you going to prevent rebellions before they start? Emperors don't live forever (usually). Is your firstborn going to be as capable a leader? If so, will you be able to get more land and more power with them? If not, what are you going to do about it?
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Tenacious J posted:I really want to get hyped for this since I missed out on CK2. It looks like it has lots of things I love about games but I think my (broken) brain is having trouble getting into it. It’s a conceptual thing. I think I don’t know what the “goal” is when I play CK2 (and presumably CK3). I know it’s a sandbox and you can make your own goals, but let’s say my goal is to get a ton of land and power - it seems arbitrary to me to pick a small and poor family when I could just play as an emperor. Yeah basically just roleplay what would be a fun thing to do and pick a start where that engages you. Like I usually don't look at land/power as a goal but more, Oh I want to reunite all the Zoroastrian lands as a Persian, or I want to be the new Cleopatra ruling Egypt, or I want to bring back Hellenism, or I want to crush the Christians. Granted this relies on having knowledge of the time span, characters involved, and location. If I was forced to play in India I feel really out of it because I can't form that narrative in my head because I don't know anything about it.
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Both those replies really help, thanks. Basically, the deeper layers of whatever goal I initially have make it way more interesting, and there are fun questions I wasn’t thinking about. Also, reading a little about a regions history would probably make playing them very interesting. It adds some context and weight to the events.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:37
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Next part of the dev stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeJ5DwnVW2w
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I think my favourite example of someone playing CK2 was that Denmark Let's Play from ages back. It started off with a nice simple premise - they were going to only involve themself with Denmark, and Denmark's politics. And for the first few characters they did, but Scandinavia being what it was they were also intimately involved with Norway and Sweden. Which broadened the scope a bit, but it was still a very focused game with simple goals. You don't need to start wanting to paint the map, or found empires, or crush religions.
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CK is best played by hitting "random character" and doing whatever your dumb noble's dumbass traits suggest they would try, then building from there, imo.
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Ck2 kinda clicked for me as a mainly roleplaying game when I lost some major war and realized that it wasn't a fail state or anything to be upset by but just an interesting turn in my character's story that gave me some grudges to pursue.
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I've also never pre-ordered a game before, but took the plunge for CK3 because it just seems so inevitable that I will want to play this, barring a very implausible flop of a launch. Also I've watched more streamers in this week than I have my entire life. And yeah, gotta agree with a lot of folks about the cringe levels - not about the costumes, I get the marketing pitch there - just the sameiness of all their narration style is really glaring. Quill is fine, OPB was far and away the most watchable. Would have been cool if PDS had found a few more non-Brits to take a stab at it, but I assume the grand historical strategy streamer ecosystem is a something of a mono-culture at the moment, so 
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Something to listen to at work Friday at least. https://twitter.com/CrusaderKings/status/1299105614178783234
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Aug 28, 2020 00:12
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Ripped(?) onto youtube for those that don't have access https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhijxBNgReA
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Did they sneak back in The Persian Army? Because that was far and away my fav CK2 track
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Who is everyone planning to start as? Might do good ol' tutorial Ireland to get a feel for the new mechanics and then do a count in the HRE.
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Swedish Horror posted:Who is everyone planning to start as? Might do good ol' tutorial Ireland to get a feel for the new mechanics and then do a count in the HRE. Someone in Italy or Greece to try and figure out how to go Hellenic.
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Swedish Horror posted:Who is everyone planning to start as? Might do good ol' tutorial Ireland to get a feel for the new mechanics and then do a count in the HRE. The Khazars are prob going to be an early run for me.
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Assuming I can even get the drat game because I’m in Australia and our classification board are being their usual pain in the rear end conservative regressive selves, tutorial Ireland to get to grips with the new UI and then I think something right outside my comfort zone like Burma. Also hopefully a co-op campaign with a friend too where we both start as counts in the Byzantine Empire or something.
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Swedish Horror posted:Who is everyone planning to start as? Might do good ol' tutorial Ireland to get a feel for the new mechanics and then do a count in the HRE. Al-Andalus baby yeeaaaaahhh (Spanish muslim minor)
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Captain Oblivious posted:Al-Andalus baby yeeaaaaahhh This or the Isles. My ancestors were minor nobility on Skye (aka glorified peasants) and were probably norse-gaels (officially offshoots of the MacBeths, but this is pretty much a proven lie).
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Swedish Horror posted:Who is everyone planning to start as? Might do good ol' tutorial Ireland to get a feel for the new mechanics and then do a count in the HRE. Gonna dive in as Burma and conquer England
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