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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:It gives the Denis-verse a bit of dark weirdness. I mean, I'm not expecting him to 'out-weird' Lynch...nor do I want him to because I think Lynch's vision wasn't all that coherent, rather it was aiming for a ghastly supernatural eccentricity which was kind of at odds with how grounded a lot of Dune is. But the weird space mysticism and thematic allusions to old terran lore need to be depicted somehow. Part of the issue is that Frank wanted the reader to go "...ok this is weird" about every 10 pages in every book, which results in an unimaginable escalation of weirdness. Remember how it's a secret in the first one that the guild navigators (who are, at this point, just ordinary dudes) are addicted to the spice, and by the time Messiah rolls around they're giant fish people floating in spice gas.
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I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them. I mean I think navigators are just super on the spectrum
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them. 
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them. i just finished a re-read of Messiah like an hour ago and I kept cracking up at how literally everyone clowns on Edric. Reverend Mother Gaius Mohiam: conspiracy is simple. just need to find a guild navigator. Edric: what about Edric? GM: Edric? Man I could not name a more suck-rear end navigator. Edric: ... GM: Just downright dogshit of a navigator
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Plantetary ecologist
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euphronius posted:Plantetary ecologist There's a phrase that'll make any actual ecologists' eyes bleed. (Dune was dedicated to dryland ecologists, wasn't it?) I love the idea that the empire just assumes one single person is sufficient to understand every biome on an entire world. Aaaaall of the species and all their interactions. As opposed to, like, spending eight years measuring the width of sea-snail bite marks to work out how much epiphytic algae they can remove from one species of sea grass in one particular estuary.
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I think it’s assumed liet kynes has a staff But I mean capital doesn’t give a poo poo about planetary ecology That’s why they lose
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WITH OUT LOOKING IT UP who is Jessica’s mother ? Don’t look it up
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Ok, that makes sense. I mean there's a bunch of "testing stations" everywhere, isn't there? I guess capital is in the process of turning earth into arrakis, minus the giant worms
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euphronius posted:WITH OUT LOOKING IT UP Pain.
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Tree Bucket posted:Ok, that makes sense. I mean there's a bunch of "testing stations" everywhere, isn't there? We're getting giant worms as well https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3938181&pagenumber=1&perpage=40
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them. edric's entire role was to simply hang out next to the actual important people i'm not exactly surprised they shat on him. what was he gonna do? bonk into his tank at them?
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Tree Bucket posted:There's a phrase that'll make any actual ecologists' eyes bleed. (Dune was dedicated to dryland ecologists, wasn't it?) In fairness pretty much every character we know has been physically and/or mentally trained to a literally incomprehensible extent (not to mention the eugenics)
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Malcolm XML posted:edric's entire role was to simply hang out next to the actual important people i'm not exactly surprised they shat on him. what was he gonna do? bonk into his tank at them? Yeah. Edric's real job was probably sometime-pilot and nerdy space math professor. His oracular abilities were all he had to offer the conspiracy. That and if they didn't involve the Guild they couldn't be sure the Guild wouldn't blow the whistle on them
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It's all good context for how clandestine and elite that cabal is. In the first book the Atreides dont seem to know what they look like even from hearsay. But then again there are some normal dudes from the guild at the end of the book too. A navigator showing up to something seems like Frank's way of saying this is some big time cloak and dagger stuff kicking off the sequel
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True that. And in his other books, Frank's actual aliens are usually p trippy too.
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euphronius posted:WITH OUT LOOKING IT UP in the bad books, mohiam and she makes the baron fat with pussy magic, are you happy now
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I like how Edric in Messiah was a high-level operator in one of the most central institutions in the imperium, prescient and capable of operating unbelievably complex Holtzman navigation technology and the rest of the conspiracy just clowns on him all the time for how stupid and blockheaded he is compared to them. I think along with people being racist for him being a fish tank mutant people basically consider him a huge nerd with engineer brain
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Blue eyes? Motherfucker I have blue EVERYTHING
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Once again I'm forced to ponder the similarity of this image to one of SA fave morbid photoshop targets.
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complete image set (some new ones) https://www.patreon.com/posts/40899449
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that there is what we on DUNE call ADULT BEEFSWELLING
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Please do not spoil dune i have not seen it tia.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Part of the issue is that Frank wanted the reader to go "...ok this is weird" about every 10 pages in every book, which results in an unimaginable escalation of weirdness. Remember how it's a secret in the first one that the guild navigators (who are, at this point, just ordinary dudes) are addicted to the spice, and by the time Messiah rolls around they're giant fish people floating in spice gas. I read the original trilogy a while ago, and I like the escalation of weirdness. Last night, I started in on God Emperor and things get cranked up to 11 REAL fast. Like, I've read the discussions about, "I just can't stop killing Duncans!" and I figured that was going to be some big reveal. NOPE! Second chapter. I also like that Herbert goes all in on "I'm really gonna switch up the format" and starts in immediately with some guided tour of history, then there's a traditional chapter, then a journal entry, then spoken dialogue... I know I'll eventually continue through the rest of the Frank books but here's the thing. In the introduction by Fail-son, he states that God Emperor is a "bridging book" between the first trilogy and a second one composed of Heretics, Chapterhouse, and then he took his father's notes for the 3rd book and created Sandworms and Hunters with KJA. Is it *at all* worth the time to go all the way through Sandworms and Hunters, since at least they were based on Frank's notes, or do things drop so far in quality that it's just not worth it? Also, side note, a few weeks back I posted that I was starting Foundation with a critical eye towards "Dune was a direct response to this", and I did finish the first book of that in about a week. It *is* very easy to draw connections between the two and I'm wondering if, when the Foundation show debuts on AppleTV, anyone's going to also make connections to DUNC.
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I'm starting chapterhouse now and I'm definitely stopping there. The impression I get from the experts itt is that the "dads notes for book 7" thing is kind of a crock
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wormsign! https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1299362065933627394 https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1299363883489153027 D U N C that is a toothy worm
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Ingmar terdman posted:I'm starting chapterhouse now and I'm definitely stopping there. The impression I get from the experts itt is that the "dads notes for book 7" thing is kind of a crock There is also a canon Dune Encyclopedia. That is all. No other books exist, or ever will exist. Or, put succinctly by Frank Herbert himself: "Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'"
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Ooh wee that iris-worm is really swelling my beef. Bizarre and terrifying
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drunkill posted:wormsign! i like how they just throw duncan in with the fremen
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Got some mask compliance in front of shai hulud as well for the people worried about that
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Ingmar terdman posted:Got some mask compliance in front of shai hulud as well for the people worried about that Haha! Yes! Water discipline!
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