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Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

Jesus christ just go to a casino

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Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I feel like the inference that one out of every X cases is a “dud” implies that WotC is purposely sandbagging mythics from shipments to distributors and seems like an obvious case of confirmation bias, but hey, I’m just a simple dog walker

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Paul Zuvella posted:

Jesus christ just go to a casino

If the casino is too far away, put on your Oakleys, walk to your local convenience store and buy some scratchers and a Monster energy.

hey mom its 420
May 12, 2007

don't mind the negative posters man, they're just jealous they don't have those cards, or $4000 at their disposal. the stuff you opened is pretty cool. i too am a thousandeer, and i bought one vip booster and got a foil mana crypt (not the alt art unfortunately). i had the inclination to order another one, but i am pretty reserved and level-headed, so i didn't indulge any further

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Mox Hombre posted:

i too am a thousandeer

*readies my guillotine*

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Captain Invictus posted:

I've made most of what I dropped on my initial reentry into magic back($1500 out of $2000)

thank you for explaining the concept of scratch-offs to us

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Captain Invictus posted:

I've made most of what I dropped on my initial reentry into magic back($1500 out of $2000), and I still have quite a bit left to sell, plus a significant pile for my own collection now so that I have some variety, so decided to take a chance on these and sell any big ticket stuff. I've watched a fair number of VIP opening videos and there's a fairly reliable pattern, in 12-16 packs, there'll be a case of duds and then the rest generally make up for it. Turns out that's pretty much it, each of the factory boxes of cases would have one subpar case and a few subpar packs, and then some ridiculously good packs balance it out, so I decided to go in on bulk and see if it held true, and it did. Initially, I was going to hold onto a couple cases of them sealed to sell later, but with the reveal of how simple it is to open the packs by heating up the glue, check if the card pack has anything good(because the pouch they're in is loose so you can easily see everything in there), and then reseal it without visible damage, I decided to just open them now since there's a pervading stigma already that you can't trust individual sealed packs.

And if I can get in on that UPC code thing, well, that's all the better.

Congrats at helping the problem more

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
You betcha!

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


maro standing in the control room at the magic factory and laughing maniacally as he pulls the ACTIVATE DUD lever over and over

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
like zero hard feelings against you personally invictus but as someone who hasn't had an income since, uh, last october this is the sort of topic that makes me wish there was a separate thread for mtg finance and thousand-dollar purchases

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/yoman_5/status/1299102505268375552?s=21

This thread is kind of eye opening, but at the very least cements my opinion that HotC is loving trash. $25 for an article? Why not just offer them Catfood? Jesus Christ what a racket.

Also kind of funny in the very first post we see a guy making $100 for a 1,200 word min. article and a woman making $70 for 1,400 min. article from the same publisher (who is also the biggest magic retailer probably on Earth and can certainly afford to pay her the extra $30 an article)

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

flatluigi posted:

like zero hard feelings against you personally invictus but as someone who hasn't had an income since, uh, last october this is the sort of topic that makes me wish there was a separate thread for mtg finance and thousand-dollar purchases
I'm new to the current trading scene, so someone more familiar probably should make it. Apologies, I didn't mean to gloat or rub it in your face FL, was just posting what I got from what I bought, and my thoughts on the vip boxes. I often do this sort of thing with my hobbies, I buy big lots and keep a small chunk, sell the rest to break even or profit, repeat. Done that in the past with transformers, legos, tf2 hats, warhammer, etc, I'd never be able to afford them otherwise. With magic it's a bit different so far but it's working reasonably well so far, even if I don't get to keep any of the really pricey stuff.

I can't even play until I get a covid vaccine anyways, so I'm just collecting, flipping, and rebuilding my collection in the meantime. Coworker of mine wants to get me up to speed on the game as it is now with some practice matches, but again, I'm not doing any of that poo poo until there's a reliable vaccine available.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Aug 28, 2020

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Captain Invictus posted:

I'm new to the current trading scene, so someone more familiar probably should make it. I didn't mean to gloat or rub it in your face FL, was just posting what I got from what I bought, and my thoughts on the vip boxes.

I can't even play until I get a covid vaccine anyways, so I'm just collecting, flipping, and rebuilding my collection in the meantime. Coworker of mine wants to get me up to speed on the game as it is now with some practice matches, but again, I'm not doing any of that poo poo until there's a reliable vaccine available.

Have you considered playing around with a simulator like Cockatrice?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Just play Arena, it’s good. If you’ve got the cash to burn on all this paper product consider just dumping $100 into Arena and bam you can be playing limited, Standard, Historic, and Brawl by the end of the day.

If you’re waiting for a Vaccine that means you won’t be playing paper games until X-Mas 2021 at the absolute earliest

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

TheKingofSprings posted:

Have you considered playing around with a simulator like Cockatrice?
I might, but I've almost never been able to get into virtual card games. The only version I could stand was Shandalar, which was bare-as-loving-bones basic and the draw for me was the mixture of multiple game styles with the magic battle system.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

Captain Invictus posted:

I might, but I've almost never been able to get into virtual card games. The only version I could stand was Shandalar, which was bare-as-loving-bones basic and the draw for me was the mixture of multiple game styles with the magic battle system.

There's a mod out there that puts cards up to... Kaladesh, I think? into Shandalar.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Framboise posted:

There's a mod out there that puts cards up to... Kaladesh, I think? into Shandalar.
Got a link? Sounds interesting. I presume it's multiplayer only, I can only imagine the shenanigans trying to wrangle the Shandalar AI to recognize new mechanics would be

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/yoman_5/status/1299102505268375552?s=21

This thread is kind of eye opening, but at the very least cements my opinion that HotC is loving trash. $25 for an article? Why not just offer them Catfood? Jesus Christ what a racket.

Also kind of funny in the very first post we see a guy making $100 for a 1,200 word min. article and a woman making $70 for 1,400 min. article from the same publisher (who is also the biggest magic retailer probably on Earth and can certainly afford to pay her the extra $30 an article)

Freelance writing is a cesspool like this regardless of whatever topic is being written about, it is absolutely hosed up and companies will blackball you if you talk about it openly EVER because any sort of transparency would completely upend just about every aspect of publishing and/or content creation.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Hey Invictus if you opened any foil Ensnaring Bridges in your bacchanal I'm in the market for two of those, get at me.

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





C-Euro posted:

Hey Invictus if you opened any foil Ensnaring Bridges in your bacchanal I'm in the market for two of those, get at me.

Similar to this, I've got a home for a couple of those box topper Crop Rotations if they're available.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

C-Euro posted:

Hey Invictus if you opened any foil Ensnaring Bridges in your bacchanal I'm in the market for two of those, get at me.
Not a single one I don't think. I'll make a post in the buying/selling/trading thread later with everything I do have when I get off work.

PleasantDirge
Sep 7, 2009
ASK ME ABOUT HOW NOT BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE ON THE ROAD IS JUST LIKE BEING A JEW AT A NAZI GATHERING BECAUSE I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO NOT BE A FUCKING ASSHOLE AND WHEN PEOPLE TREAT ME LIKE I'M A FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT IS JUST LIKE GENOCIDE

C-Euro posted:

Hey Invictus if you opened any foil Ensnaring Bridges in your bacchanal I'm in the market for two of those, get at me.

This guy gets it!

The rest of you clearly never bought keys/TF2 goods from your boy back in the day. Dude just came pre loaded with Flip.exe at birth. I have never seen them do anything but shoot a goon 100% straight 100% of the time

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009
How can you be upset with anybody cracking sealed product? It's legitimately lowering singles prices on aggregate. C. Invictus is providing a straight up service. Getting upset with people trying to buy out some ancient reserve list edh and legacy staple, sure, get upset there.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

AngryBooch posted:

How can you be upset with anybody cracking sealed product? It's legitimately lowering singles prices on aggregate. C. Invictus is providing a straight up service. Getting upset with people trying to buy out some ancient reserve list edh and legacy staple, sure, get upset there.

Whale products are very bad for the game

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

fatherboxx posted:

Whale products are very bad for the game

Are they? I don’t see how. I have no interest in buying any sealed product ever but I think it’s cool that there are new alt-arts of existing cards.

LeafHouse
Apr 22, 2008

That's what you get for not hailing to the chimp!



fatherboxx posted:

Whale products are very bad for the game

This is only true if the function of the whale cards are exclusive to those products. How would selling an Arena pet for $500 or a special full art super foil Uro for $500 negatively affect the game?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Remember Nexus of Fate? That just happened last year.

Also Kenrith.

Or hell, even Korvold!

These are all tournament level cards that you could only get by whaling. They keep doing it.

What are you gonna do when the Uro of Zendikar is a box topper only?

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

LeafHouse posted:

This is only true if the function of the whale cards are exclusive to those products. How would selling an Arena pet for $500 or a special full art super foil Uro for $500 negatively affect the game?

Because I want it but I blew all my money on scratchers :(

Bust Rodd posted:

Remember Nexus of Fate? That just happened last year.

Also Kenrith.

Or hell, even Korvold!

These are all tournament level cards that you could only get by whaling. They keep doing it.

What are you gonna do when the Uro of Zendikar is a box topper only?

Those are incredibly different situations, but even so I thought the math worked out such that those cards technically more available than the average Mythic.

I’m not a mtg finance expert but the most I saw Nexus go for was like 40 bucks, which in a vacuum is nuts, but seems par for the course for that kind of card looking through the lens of this card game none of us are forced to play or interact with 🤔

fadam fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 28, 2020

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012

Mat Cauthon posted:

Freelance writing is a cesspool like this regardless of whatever topic is being written about, it is absolutely hosed up and companies will blackball you if you talk about it openly EVER because any sort of transparency would completely upend just about every aspect of publishing and/or content creation.

Yoman makes pretty reasonable money for the amount of work that goes into his articles

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

fadam posted:

Are they? I don’t see how. I have no interest in buying any sealed product ever but I think it’s cool that there are new alt-arts of existing cards.

VIP whale products are fine. The VIP edition of Double Masters is fine. The price is restrictively high to the point that anyone buying it (I hope) will have done enough research to know what they're getting into.

The problem is when Double Masters, the base edition, is a whale product in and of itself and is made to be overpriced for no real good reason, limiting its ability drive down prices.


Bust Rodd posted:

Remember Nexus of Fate? That just happened last year.

Also Kenrith.

Or hell, even Korvold!

These are all tournament level cards that you could only get by whaling. They keep doing it.

What are you gonna do when the Uro of Zendikar is a box topper only?


I'd agree except at one part-- Kenriths are so plentiful that even now grabbing one is pretty inexpensive. I think I snagged a foil one for like $3.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

fadam posted:

Are they? I don’t see how. I have no interest in buying any sealed product ever but I think it’s cool that there are new alt-arts of existing cards.
yeah, I said it before, but the box topper force of will is legitimately the most beautiful magic card I've ever seen, and it's a loving shame it's so expensive because I want to keep it regardless of its value.

if this was the only way to get it, that would be a problem, but it's also readily available in the normal double masters(which is admittedly terribly overpriced itself) and the normal version is significantly cheaper than the fancy VIP foil version.

I think having the collector/special boxes is a neat idea but I also think they're far too expensive for what you get, especially considering at least up until the core 2021 collector boxes there was still the issue with cards getting roller marks on them from the pack being sealed up. that poo poo should not happen with a premium product.

AngryBooch posted:

Getting upset with people trying to buy out some ancient reserve list edh and legacy staple, sure, get upset there.
not individual cards, but someone is apparently trying to do the buyout bullshit with Unstable booster boxes right now, buying every available one, causing the prices to jump 20-30 bucks over the last couple weeks. I picked up some boxes in the last few months and it's been upticking like crazy, they were 130 for a while and now they're like 150 minimum.

Apparently it's also happening to Amonkhet, I had the booster box listing on amazon wishlisted at 140 and it just loving vanished alongside every other amonkhet listing basically overnight, and now the boxes are pushing 200 on ebay. Would there be any reason for the sudden spike in interest in Amonkhet?

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Framboise posted:

VIP whale products are fine. The VIP edition of Double Masters is fine. The price is restrictively high to the point that anyone buying it (I hope) will have done enough research to know what they're getting into.

The problem is when Double Masters, the base edition, is a whale product in and of itself and is made to be overpriced for no real good reason, limiting its ability drive down prices.


It’s not making prices go up though, right? So isn’t it just neutral? If you don’t want to play it or open sealed product, just ignore it and pretend like it doesn’t exist.

LeafHouse
Apr 22, 2008

That's what you get for not hailing to the chimp!



Bust Rodd posted:

Remember Nexus of Fate? That just happened last year.

Also Kenrith.

Or hell, even Korvold!

These are all tournament level cards that you could only get by whaling. They keep doing it.

What are you gonna do when the Uro of Zendikar is a box topper only?

I’m very much against unique cards as box toppers but also I wouldn’t really consider buying a regular booster box or brawl deck ‘whaling.’ A collectors one, sure.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Sampatrick posted:

Yoman makes pretty reasonable money for the amount of work that goes into his articles

$100 for 1200 words sounds like complete garbage wtf

Reik
Mar 8, 2004
If I had $4,000 to spend on magic the gathering cards I would end up putting a lot more singles in to the market by buying double masters booster boxes than I would by buying VIP booster boxes, and the singles I would be putting in to the market would mostly be the least expensive form of the single available, making the game overall more affordable.

I don't have a problem with someone buying these VIP booster boxes because buying and opening any sealed product is better than mtgfinance garbage, but it's objectively worse for the average player than cracking regular boosters.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
I've done freelance writing for actual professional journals, and the standard is $1/word for an 800-1200 word article.

Granted that involved several reference interviews and a lengthy edit process, which is considerably more work than mtg commentary writing. But $50 for 1k words is shameful.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Sampatrick posted:

Yoman makes pretty reasonable money for the amount of work that goes into his articles

Yeah it's possible to make decent money freelancing but the vast majority people are getting scammed for sure.

Eej posted:

$100 for 1200 words sounds like complete garbage wtf

That is actually an above average rate. Most places will pay you $50 for 1200 words. Or less!

junan_paalla
Dec 29, 2009

Seriously, do drugs

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

maro standing in the control room at the magic factory and laughing maniacally as he pulls the ACTIVATE DUD lever over and over
:dudsmile:

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

Eej posted:

$100 for 1200 words sounds like complete garbage wtf

Yeah I mean I'm not sure what else I can compare it to but generally for sports and entertainment writers, anything less than $250 an article is genuine slap in the face. Writing out a researched meta-game article or budget analysis of a deck is time consuming, and the actual labor of writing and editing it takes time. The people at Kotaku or Polygon are probably making $300 an article, and the bigger names can pull $500. $600 would be impossible unless it was like Jason Schrier, who could ask anyone for anything and they would give it to them.

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Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Just gotta find ways to work Burning Cinder Fury of Crimson Chaos Fire or Our Market Research Shows That Players Like Really Long Card Names So We Made this Card to Have the Absolute Longest Card Name Ever Elemental into every article.

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