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Splicer posted:Literally the only way it matters is if they think there's a chance they're going to end up loving. Unless she's intentionally cultivating that impression it's completely unnecessary information for the job of "girl you watch playing videogames" Even if you somehow think that your forceful personality is sure to make you stand out in the twitch chat among the 20,000 other subscribers, at some level you have to realize hundreds of other people think the exact same thing They're paying for a fantasy, and to keep that fantasy unsullied. Snap out of it, go outside, it's not too late
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Ok I realize now that the twitch girls only like me for my money but what about strippers? Do they still like me for my personality?
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Aug 28, 2020 15:59
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Most of them but not that one stripper with the heart of gold, you can 'save' her from that life, go for it
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Aug 28, 2020 16:00
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Phlegmish posted:Even if you somehow think that your forceful personality is sure to make you stand out in the twitch chat among the 20,000 other subscribers, at some level you have to realize hundreds of other people think the exact same thing
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Aug 28, 2020 16:02
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Splicer posted:If you're already going that far then it's not much extra to add the step "and she'd totally leave him/cheat on him/arrange a threesone for me too!" These people have built up a fantasy in their head that involves an "unsullied" object of affection and finding out the girl has a boyfriend/so/etc ruins that for them. They don't really see the person as a person, and whenever this sort of thing happens they just move on to another streamer that they can slot into their story.
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Actually it’s about ethics in bideo jame streaming.
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Crust First posted:These people have built up a fantasy in their head that involves an "unsullied" object of affection and finding out the girl has a boyfriend/so/etc ruins that for them. They don't really see the person as a person, and whenever this sort of thing happens they just move on to another streamer that they can slot into their story. Yes. I will never defend anyone giving innocent streamers a hard time over it, but it's obvious that many of these 'simps' are futilely trying to fill an affection gap in their lives - the attractiveness and nudity of the specific object of their desire are ultimately ancillary, although obviously an important part of the fantasy. That is deeply sad and a typical 21st-century disease.
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Aug 28, 2020 16:18
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The commodification of affection and attention under late stage capitalism definitely harms many people. It's tragic as gently caress but it doesn't excise the commodificstion of and entitlement to women in public spaces as a coping mechanism. The same thing plays out in the ASMR community, which is even more explicitly focused on emotional affection, where multiple women have been stalked, had their nudes leaked, or been driven out altogether because of obsessed dudes. One ASMR performer just launched an only fans and explained her reasoning was that her nudes have already been leaked, she already has random guys dming her to say how much they enjoyed using them, and she figures it's only a matter of time before people start deep faking her into porn, so if people are going to sexually use her, why not do it on her own terms and actually make money off of it. Which I suppose is good with money because she claims she paid off all her debt and bought a car off her first month's haul. Also unless actual fraud is involved, can we please not say thirsty guys are getting scammed? That language removes responsibility and accountability from men and instead puts the burden on women for provoking the helpless and emotionally impulsive men. It's the same logic as blaming women for showing too much skin.
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Aug 28, 2020 16:42
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Agreed with your first paragraph, but the last one is not really something you can generalize either way. Just look at each individual case and decide whether or not it can reasonably be described as a scam (even if you think it's hilarious). Note that the original tweet came from a content provider, not a subscriber.
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Aug 28, 2020 16:58
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From what was described in this thread, it very much seems scammy and indirectly hurts the other sex workers that are active on the platform.
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Aug 28, 2020 17:44
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It’s gambling. They don’t get to cry “scam” when they lose. They knew what they signed up for.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:00
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Passing off photos of an adult performer is absolutely a scam. I'm more talking about guys who feel scammed because thy threw money at their waifu before finding out she has a boyfriend. Even $200 for a bikini pic doesn't seem like a scam unless the performer promised something else, as opposed to thirsty fans feeling entitled to something else.
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Caveat emptor
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On the other hand part of the rule book is saying you're making more than you are, it advertises that you're "worth it" and successful and that people have to donate a lot to be in the top tiers. You don't price your bath water at $5 and work up. You place it at $300 and act like that's normal. Most people who get into this (I never did but I've known people) cane away with less than if they'd just worked minimum wage at a Denny's.
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Putting a bikini pic up for 200 on OnlyFans is definitely a scam.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:16
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Soylent Pudding posted:Passing off photos of an adult performer is absolutely a scam. I'm more talking about guys who feel scammed because thy threw money at their waifu before finding out she has a boyfriend. Even $200 for a bikini pic doesn't seem like a scam unless the performer promised something else, as opposed to thirsty fans feeling entitled to something else. Oh yeah, I can agree with that. Unsubscribe and move on if you feel that you've been 'had', let it be a valuable lesson in financial management. ^ depends on what was promised. I don't know the details so I can't say whether or not that particular case counts as a scam. Phlegmish has a new favorite as of 18:51 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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Scam or no scam: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49151042
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Phlegmish posted:Oh yeah, I can agree with that. Unsubscribe and move on if you feel that you've been 'had', let it be a valuable lesson in financial management. I haven't used OnlyFans but if I'm on a site that's for nudes or porn and someone posts something unlockable for 200 bucks I'm not expecting something I could see on their Instagram. I mean I also think it's funny she took those dudes for a ride but it is scammy as hell.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:53
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Tunicate posted:Scam or no scam: Ahahahaaa that owns
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Taeke posted:Ahahahaaa that owns the genuine smile she has in the left photo really makes this for me
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Aug 28, 2020 19:09
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Yeah I feel like if I'd been the 'victim' of that, assuming it didn't involve me also losing a ton of money, I would have just laughed really hard. That's like the real-life equivalent of a fantasy witch using magic to make herself look young and attractive
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Groovelord Neato posted:I haven't used OnlyFans but if I'm on a site that's for nudes or porn and someone posts something unlockable for 200 bucks I'm not expecting something I could see on their Instagram. Onlyfans isn't just for porn, that's the thing - it just gets used for it a lot because it used to have favourable conditions for self-promotion for sex work. Like patreon. I think it's weird to call what Bella Thorne did a scam, largely for the reasons Soylent Pudding laid out - having looked into it more now as well it doesn't look like she ever promised anything specific. She made statements about only having joined onlyfans for research and never promised titty pics, just unspecified exclusive content, on a platform that is literally used by people to put up e.g. exclusive content like extra pics from sfw modelling photoshoots, extended blogs etc. not just sex workers producing straight up porn. There's an argument to be made that the ways celebs have been playing off of onlyfans rep to add a bit of spice by association to otherwise mundane exclusive content is kinda scummy overall, but mostly for the knock on effects it's had on sex workers using the platform, not because thirsty dudes feel cheated imo. Tunicate posted:Scam or no scam: This, on the other hand, is just hilarious top to bottom.
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Tunicate posted:Scam or no scam: This lady rules and i think it actually worked out all right for her in the end iirc
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small ghost posted:Onlyfans isn't just for porn, that's the thing - it just gets used for it a lot because it used to have favourable conditions for self-promotion for sex work. Like patreon. So I looked at what the sex workers on OF were saying about it and how it harmed them. It's ambiguous if Thorne actually said it was going to be nudes (I don't think any of them are subscribed to her to find out), but the price was so high that it's generally agreed that it was implied that it would be something other than more normal bikini pics. It's something that was technically within the rules but blatantly a bad thing to do. The bigger problem is that her actions are now directly harming sex workers who might be reliant on this platform. It's bad enough that OF takes a 20% cut of your pay, but the stigma against sex workers means that they face threats to their jobs, relationships, and even their lives if they're found to be involved in it. Thorne is viewed as someone who's basically "playing pretend", messing around with it without needing to take any of the risks the majority of users actually do, and still being handed tons of money for it. Without thinking about the consequences, she turned her "research for a film" into something that's directly exploitative of vulnerable people using the platform to make a living and just gets to walk away with her career and reputation unscathed. Depending on how OF takes their cut, it's theorized as well that the sudden shift to a 30-day payout (which could be disastrous for someone living paycheck to paycheck each week) is because the site simply doesn't have the money to pay her cut for such an insane amount of money as she probably got from fans for that fakeout.
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Wait, there is a filter that can make me look like a young and attractive Chinese girl? Where do I sign up?
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They probably also got hit with a substantial amount of chargebacks, so they’re likely trying to limit how often they pay out for payments that get cancelled.
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the important takeaway here is that her boobs were powerful enough to strike a significant blow to a successful company, so powerful that the collateral damage will resonate throughout the internet for weeks until something else dumb happens this is basically an awkward superhero origin story where they discover they're stronger than they thought, but at what cost
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the newest member of the Great Lakes Avengers, Thunderboob
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In case you're wondering, they're talking about Paul Atreides. Is that even an accurate description of him?
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Trig Discipline posted:Aahaha, awesome. For real that quote has stuck with me through the years because it's kind of the perfect encapsulation of an experience that sounds great but turns out to be more work than it's worth. Another thing that stuck with me about that was that there were a couple of people in the thread who were completely not understanding what you meant but then a whole bunch of people were like "no I know exactly what he means". I just checked this thread again and I realized that there's going to be a subset of people who will see my avatar and think "hey the auto-fellatio goon," because I happened to read the same thread about marketing as someone who remembered my wisdom gained and chose to once again post about sucking my own dick. Hopefully they will also remember my teachings. My hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos led to me sucking my dick led to me telling people about the experience because I have no filter led to wisdom? Is telling people about this a dumb marketing move that is going to hurt my personal brand?
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The MSJ posted:In case you're wondering, they're talking about Paul Atreides. Is that even an accurate description of him? Not at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw
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The MSJ posted:In case you're wondering, they're talking about Paul Atreides. Is that even an accurate description of him? Well I guess he's The Boy Who Lived
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The MSJ posted:In case you're wondering, they're talking about Paul Atreides. Is that even an accurate description of him? Inaccurate to the point it basically caused me physical pain.
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The MSJ posted:In case you're wondering, they're talking about Paul Atreides. Is that even an accurate description of him? Paul Atreides led a holy war against everyone not of his religion, killed billions and basically subjugated all of humanity to his will, and his son was even worse. But then he did improve Arrakis' ecology, was pretty handy with a knife and was basically magic so not far off, I guess?
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tight aspirations posted:Paul Atreides led a holy war against everyone not of his religion, killed billions and basically subjugated all of humanity to his will, and his son was even worse. Also his son became an immortal worm emperor
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Andrast posted:Also his son became an immortal worm emperor I really hope the fourth book gets its own movie one day Just three hours of a gigantic worm sitting there and monologuing e: my mistake, monitor wasn't on
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Phlegmish posted:I really hope the fourth book gets its own movie one day The later dune books are so loving batshit, I really hope they get adapted some day
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