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Badger of Basra posted:Oh no not the Green Party This was gonna be their year
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Pulcinella posted:I don’t understand either but understanding there is a problem while being extremely wrong about the causes or solutions is definitely typical of the right. The right description is fair, but I don't know anyone liberal who thinks our healthcare system is in good shape. It feels weird existing in Texas politics where Medicaid expansion makes you a radical at txlege...the fact it even got a hearing last session was astounding. We have our AG suing to end the ACA. We can't even get Republican lawmakers to accept the idea that new mothers shouldn't die in childbirth, or that low-income children losing Medicaid isn't a good thing. But then on the other end, your friends argue that if a Democrat proposes a public option within a universal health care structure (even as a transition step to Medicare-for-all), then they are a centrist shill who hates the poor and thus both parties are equally bad. I definitely see huge flaws in having any private system, but there's just a huge disconnect between the political reality of Texas and my Facebook feed.
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Aug 29, 2020 10:07
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there are actually people in this very thread who are fine with a profit-based, employer-based health insurance system
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Aug 29, 2020 13:25
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i say swears online posted:there are actually people in this very thread who are fine with a profit-based, employer-based health insurance system Yeah, this is a D&D thread, not C-SPAM.
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Aug 29, 2020 13:54
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I really dont see how anyone who watched so much of the country lose their jobs, and thus health insurance, in the middle of a pandemic could be happy with employer based insurance. We're literally looking at its weakness crippling the country in a worst case scenario right now.
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Aug 29, 2020 14:01
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i say swears online posted:there are actually people in this very thread who are fine with a profit-based, employer-based health insurance system Out the employer based posters. That is the biggest and most glaring flaw with the healthcare system. Lose your job? gently caress you, you're at higher risk of death now.
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Aug 29, 2020 14:28
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A huge chunk of the country is convinced that the way things work in America is the best way because America is the best and that’s why it works that way here. No it doesn’t matter what the subject at hand is, things cannot possibly be better somewhere else.
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Aug 29, 2020 14:41
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as a member of the permanent barnacle underclass i've never lost health insurance from being unemployed because i've never had a job with a health plan  edit to go personal a bit, i joined the army explicitly for healthcare in 2008, got signed up for supposed world-standard tricare, and left the army 5 digits in debt because my doctor had an incentive to not inform me that a lot of stuff wasn't covered i say swears online fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 29, 2020 15:13
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Aug 29, 2020 15:32
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duz posted:How does it compare to what else they're doing? This is why we'll never get rid of voter suppression in this country, because even though it's used against them, Democrats still want to keep it around to use against others. FoolyCharged posted:I really dont see how anyone who watched so much of the country lose their jobs, and thus health insurance, in the middle of a pandemic could be happy with employer based insurance. We're literally looking at its weakness crippling the country in a worst case scenario right now. Because it makes health insurance into a status marker, if you have it you're better than people who don't. If everyone gets it you're not special anymore.
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Aug 29, 2020 15:41
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Aug 29, 2020 15:45
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VitalSigns posted:This is why we'll never get rid of voter suppression in this country, because even though it's used against them, Democrats still want to keep it around to use against others. approach a party-line democrat in a deep-red state about a proportional-representation system and watch them recoil in horror. pelosi is just as evil as mcconnell in keeping alternative views out of the mainstream
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Aug 29, 2020 15:49
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Voter fraud but not like you think
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Aug 29, 2020 15:53
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i say swears online posted:approach a party-line democrat in a deep-red state about a proportional-representation system and watch them recoil in horror. pelosi is just as evil as mcconnell in keeping alternative views out of the mainstream Yeah it's great, everyone complains about the two party system and how much it sucks to always have to choose between two evils, but let someone offer a good alternative and they scream for it to be banned because we need to protect the two evil parties we have
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Aug 29, 2020 15:56
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angrymaking response tweet aside, this is Very Good.
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Aug 29, 2020 15:59
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for sure if it wasn't for Nancy Pelosi keeping them down the Greens would be on their way to the white house
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Aug 29, 2020 16:00
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GreyjoyBastard posted:angrymaking response tweet aside, this is Very Good. it'll get appealed and struck down lol, don't get your hopes up
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Aug 29, 2020 16:04
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Badger of Basra posted:for sure if it wasn't for Nancy Pelosi keeping them down the Greens would be on their way to the white house executive systems aside, you cannot deny that the texas house switching to a PR system would benefit good-faith discourse, at the very least, in the most liberal sense
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Aug 29, 2020 16:15
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i say swears online posted:executive systems aside, you cannot deny that the texas house switching to a PR system would benefit good-faith discourse, at the very least, in the most liberal sense it would but what happened was the dems kicking the green party off the ballot for a statewide position, not tom perez personally putting a stake through texas' nascent proportional representation system
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Aug 29, 2020 16:19
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Badger of Basra posted:it would but what happened was the dems kicking the green party off the ballot for a statewide position, not tom perez personally putting a stake through texas' nascent proportional representation system you don't think these individual actions have continually reinforcing effects? they're now institutional and are that much harder to change
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Aug 29, 2020 16:20
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Liberals who could turn leftist but don't generally suffer from a terminal case of a lack of imagination. They can't conceive of a better world and thus think that even the most modest proposition from their left is utopian thinking doomed to fail. This is only one of their problems.
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Aug 29, 2020 16:21
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Badger of Basra posted:for sure if it wasn't for Nancy Pelosi keeping them down the Greens would be on their way to the white house this doesn't seem to be a serious objection, and reads more like trolling and trying to provoke people you could make the same argument for say, Republicans banning Democrats from running for statewide positions, since they won't win anyway, yet I bet you wouldn't be ok with that
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Aug 29, 2020 16:23
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VitalSigns posted:this doesn't seem to be a serious objection, and reads more like trolling and trying to provoke people *pritzker donates $50m to Make Ballots Blue PAC*
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Aug 29, 2020 16:29
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Third parties, outside of a handful of unusual cases, are not viable in plurality-voting societies. The green party does not exist to provide a meaningful alternative to voting for Democrats. This cycle, third parties are even less of a factor than usual.
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Aug 29, 2020 16:36
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zoux posted:Third parties, outside of a handful of unusual cases, are not viable in plurality-voting societies. The green party does not exist to provide a meaningful alternative to voting for Democrats. This cycle, third parties are even less of a factor than usual. Texas is a one party state, there is no viable alternative to voting for Republicans for statewide office
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Aug 29, 2020 16:42
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Let's just not.
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Aug 29, 2020 16:45
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zoux posted:Third parties, outside of a handful of unusual cases, are not viable in plurality-voting societies. The green party does not exist to provide a meaningful alternative to voting for Democrats. This cycle, third parties are even less of a factor than usual. that's not the point, the point is how to both move away from a plurality-voting society in our lifetime so the oceans don't boil and simultaneously vote for a party that opposes those goals to stop trump without making our heads explode or die of preventable disease in the meantime
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Aug 29, 2020 16:45
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everything sucks imo
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i say swears online posted:that's not the point, the point is how to move away from a plurality-voting society in our lifetime so the oceans don't boil while simultaneously voting for a party that opposes those goals to stop trump Well, I don't know how we do that but I do know that one to two percent of righties voting libertarian and one to two percent of lefties voting green party every four years ain't gonna do it. Like we're so far from that right now we can't even see it over the horizon. i say swears online posted:everything sucks imo It's not great Like we're in here like "hmmm well the relative merits of proportional representation are obvious - yes I agree but the reality is that..." while else where they're like "be the president of Germany somehow and do qanon here Mr Trump" so we're really just debating angels dancing on the head of a pin https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1299734552085233664 zoux fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 29, 2020 16:49
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VitalSigns posted:Texas is a one party state, there is no viable alternative to voting for Republicans for statewide office harris county would strongly disagree with you
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Aug 29, 2020 16:49
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I have never seen Dwayne Bohac, but I have seen every single person running against him the past several years.
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Aug 29, 2020 16:59
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zoux posted:Like we're in here like "hmmm well the relative merits of proportional representation are obvious - yes I agree but the reality is that..." while else where they're like "be the president of Germany somehow and do qanon here Mr Trump" so we're really just debating angels dancing on the head of a pin is that black white and red flag like a monarchist thing or a Nazi thing
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Aug 29, 2020 17:03
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Sir Tonk posted:harris county would strongly disagree with you yes, harris county is so successful in statewide races that chris bell was governor
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Aug 29, 2020 17:03
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i say swears online posted:yes, harris county is so successful in statewide races that chris bell was governor He did better than Wendy Davis.
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Aug 29, 2020 17:05
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^^ lmao we have such a semi-memorable loser's gallery since 1998zoux posted:Well, I don't know how we do that but I do know that one to two percent of righties voting libertarian and one to two percent of lefties voting green party every four years ain't gonna do it. Like we're so far from that right now we can't even see it over the horizon. my plan to shift the democrats to the left by voting against lupe valdez has not quite materialized i'll admit
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Aug 29, 2020 17:06
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zoux posted:Well, I don't know how we do that but I do know that one to two percent of righties voting libertarian and one to two percent of lefties voting green party every four years ain't gonna do it. Like we're so far from that right now we can't even see it over the horizon. That sounds like an argument that individuals shouldn't bother voting for other parties, not an argument that they shouldn't have a right to vote for the party they want
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Aug 29, 2020 17:18
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VitalSigns posted:That sounds like an argument that individuals shouldn't bother voting for other parties, not an argument that they shouldn't have a right to vote for the party they want lupe valdez is the most successful democratic candidate since richards and smoked abbott's 2014 landslide numbers because of turnout and population growth we'll...we'll get an actual left party before houston is evacuated for good, right right
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Aug 29, 2020 17:19
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A proportional representation system in Texas would end up with the existing centrist Dems and a parade of increasingly insane right wing parties with more power then ever because they are needed to form a coalition government. For the last decade, Strauss and Bonnen have kept the truly insane (Dan Patrick) at bay, which is why he keeps running for higher office to try and wrest control.
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Aug 29, 2020 18:04
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Sab0921 posted:A proportional representation system in Texas would end up with the existing centrist Dems and a parade of increasingly insane right wing parties with more power then ever because they are needed to form a coalition government.
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i say swears online posted:when majority leader West refusing to coalition with the Qanon caucus leads to a Democratic confidence-and-supply arrangement with the Red Guards, you'll eat your words Doesn't seem good, everything I know about the Red Guards, which means only posts here, indicate the Red Guards are just all police
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