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My gut says the answer is no, but does extra vram benefit VR at all? Ultimately I'm going to want the best non-overkill card that can run MSFS2020 in VR well, just sucks VR mode won't be available for quite a while after the cards launch.
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Enos Cabell posted:My gut says the answer is no, but does extra vram benefit VR at all? quote:Ultimately I'm going to want the best non-overkill card that can run MSFS2020 in VR well
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Aug 29, 2020 18:17
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Isn’t MSFS2020 primarily constrained by CPU and system memory/hard drive speed, with GPU being a distant concern?
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Aug 29, 2020 18:19
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Don't buy a GPU now for future use. Especially for something like MSFS that will be running on an entirely different renderer than the current one, it's impossible to make any reasonable predictions about how anything will work out.
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I'm planning to buy a card that targets 1440p@144 regardless, I just don't want to be in a situation where I bought the 10gb 3080 and it struggles vs the 20gb 3080. But also yeah, FS2020 is definitely a case where in 10 years modern cards can finally run it at like 90-120fps and we all laugh at people that dropped 3090 cash back in the day.
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Aug 29, 2020 18:24
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Lockback posted:The better a 3090 sells the more likely a 3090ti is announced a year from now. This seems like a low probability to me. I don't think there's anything better until Hopper. I mean, they never really even came that close to meeting the 2080Ti let alone beating it. If anything they purposefully avoided doing that. The 2070S was functionally a 2080, but the 2080S was not functionally a 2080Ti (though it did close the gap). Beating the 3090 feels like a bad marketing play. Paying a large adopt tax on the top unit means a LOT less if there's something better before the next gen. It would tarnish the long term value prop of such a card and make people less willing to pay top dollar at launch. In my opinion, that's why they would think twice about topping the 2080Ti even if they could have. Also, every indication we have is that the 3090 pushes the limits of the architecture such that making a tier above that seems like it would be... difficult. If the 3090 was launching on 8nm and there could be a 7nm super refresh next year, it would have made more sense. What makes way more sense to me is a 3080Ti that closes the gap between the 3080 and 3090. It's ok for a card to come pretty close to the 3090, but meeting or topping it is when you start to have weird implications for future consumer buying patterns. Enos Cabell posted:My gut says the answer is no, but does extra vram benefit VR at all? Ultimately I'm going to want the best non-overkill card that can run MSFS2020 in VR well, just sucks VR mode won't be available for quite a while after the cards launch. Arguably the last remaining question on the high end Amperes is the specific tech/software that is making the skus more than the sum of their parts- tensor and RT core performance, lightly rumored compression tech, etc. DLSS 2.1, whatever the gently caress else they are tying in. We don't know poo poo about any of these things. Basically what I'm saying is that we won't know this until the launch on the 1st, most likely. All we know right now is the base physical specs of the cards, but that's really not the full story. There could theoretically be something to take advantage of the RAM, or not. This is also why it's pointless to speculate about the supposed performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 based on the raw specs we have right now, but that's a different topic. Taima fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Calling it now - the RTX TRI-TAN, which is just two 3090's bolted together, bringing back the old single PCB dual GPU concept from the 690 era. Needs it's own power supply to function and costs slightly less than Moldova. this is not going to happen
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Aug 29, 2020 18:29
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I know the vram use has been console constrained previously but my 1080ti I don't think has ever come close to the limit even with high res texture packs and whatever settings maxed out. I'm also imagining the fallout that someone previously alluded to where the 10gig cards aren't enough to power games with almost everything turned up and how pissed I'd be paying 1k or whatever for that.
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Aug 29, 2020 18:39
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Aug 29, 2020 18:41
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repiv posted:DisplayPort 2.0 was finalized in June 2019 with massive bandwidth, even higher than HDMI 2.1, it just needs more time to get implemented Yes, I know DP 2.0 exists now, my point is that VESA is literally multiple years behind HDMI and that’s an eternity in tech especially when all the current panels are limited by the cabling standards and have been for years. DP 2.0 really should have been finalized in 2017 as well. Or earlier for that matter. Then we could have had 4K144 monitors that can, you know, actually run at 4K144 without workarounds like chroma subsampling or 6-bit color or losing VRR (multi cable). Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Enos Cabell posted:I'm planning to buy a card that targets 1440p@144 regardless, I just don't want to be in a situation where I bought the 10gb 3080 and it struggles vs the 20gb 3080. But also yeah, FS2020 is definitely a case where in 10 years modern cards can finally run it at like 90-120fps and we all laugh at people that dropped 3090 cash back in the day. You'll be fine with 10GB. The total install base, even with Ampere, that will have 10GB VRAM will still be like <15% of the overall market, so even if some games come out so badly optimized that they use more than 10GB, it'll be a matter of turning a setting or two down to get back in the envelope, else the game would be trash on 85% of systems. Also keep in mind that the 20GB 3080 has only shown up as "TBA" for I think one AIB maker so far, so there's a very solid chance that it won't be out until considerably after the 10GB model, if ever.
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AirRaid posted:Calling it now - the RTX TRI-TAN, which is just two 3090's bolted together, bringing back the old single PCB dual GPU concept from the 690 era. Needs it's own power supply to function and costs slightly less than Moldova. Dual PCB or get the gently caress out 
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AirRaid posted:Calling it now - the RTX TRI-TAN, which is just two 3090's bolted together, bringing back the old single PCB dual GPU concept from the 690 era. Needs it's own power supply to function and costs slightly less than Moldova. Nah it'll be an external GPU enclosure with 3x 3090 cards in some frankensteined SLI setup that requires a 240 AIO, its own SFF modular power supply & connects with a proprietary USB-C to micro HDMI adapter
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Aug 29, 2020 18:56
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using 1600p/60 means this 2080 is still overkill. breaking the x80 upgrade cycle after 6 years is weird, oh well.
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jisforjosh posted:The 3080 is ~33% faster than the 2080Ti. Oh my. This is great to see as baseline. Thanks for the link and info!
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They should make the card physically plug into three slots
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Aug 29, 2020 19:39
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why are protrusions out of the slot at the back of the case a taboo that nobody breaks ? you can make a card that is so big that it won't fit in all cases but you cannot go through the slot and stick out even though literally nobody pushes their case up against a wall (I mean you physically can't because cables can only bend down so far) and nothing bends down immovably over the slots on the back of the case for any PC I have owned since... the 90s.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:12
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That actually seems like it could world pretty well. Heatpipe to fins outside the case. Getting through the slots is the issue
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Aug 29, 2020 20:19
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Qmass posted:why are protrusions out of the slot at the back of the case a taboo that nobody breaks ? You don't wanna put a part that gets meaningfully hot on the outside of your computer, where you might touch it accidentally when plugging in cables.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:24
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That's why it comes with a snap on guard you put on after assembly. 
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Incessant Excess posted:You don't wanna put a part that gets meaningfully hot on the outside of your computer, where you might touch it accidentally when plugging in cables. Give it some kind of barrel-shroud looking heat shield. You could make bank by integrating RGB into the shield, I have no doubt.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:of barrel-shroud looking heat shield Bayonet attachment
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Why are WI-FI cards so special... with their fancy antennas ? I want a heat pipe fin extension sticking out the back of my case damnit !
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Qmass posted:Why are WI-FI cards so special... with their fancy antennas ? I want a heat pipe fin extension sticking out the back of my case damnit ! What the gently caress are you doing where your wi-fi antennas are dispersing 250 watts of heat?
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Qmass posted:Why are WI-FI cards so special... with their fancy antennas ? I want a heat pipe fin extension sticking out the back of my case damnit ! A heat pipe directly through the wall to a copper water pipe that's part of my home's plumbing to dump heat.
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I’d love an external heat sink I could put out my window in the winter/a windy day to dump heat.
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You got to think bigger. Build a water park to cool a whole hidden bitcoin gpu farm. 
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Why don’t they go the 3dfx route and have an external power adapter? We wouldn’t need 3x 8pins setups.
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Rabid Snake posted:You got to think bigger. only the poors live in a Zotac arcology
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Riflen posted:Nothing. repiv posted:the licensing terms aren't public but "zero dollars" is a pretty safe bet, why would they want to impede adoption of a technology that greatly benefits them and not the competition Yeah, that was my understanding too, so I didn’t get why anyone would have to bribe NVIDIA. Must have misunderstood.
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shrike82 posted:Why don’t they go the 3dfx route and have an external power adapter? We wouldn’t need 3x 8pins setups. Can't wait to install 3-phase 480 volts wiring to connect my new 5090 in 10 years.
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if a PC has an external power supply does it become a console ?Gyrotica posted:What the gently caress are you doing where your wi-fi antennas are dispersing 250 watts of heat?
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Anyway I think Nvidia has something better than the 3090 waiting in the wings. The leakers say there’s a 5376 core board - 3090 has 5248.
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shrike82 posted:Anyway I think Nvidia has something better than the 3090 waiting in the wings. The leakers say there’s a 5376 core board - 3090 has 5248. A 2% increase in core counts? I can't see, even at some insane clock speed, that being a worthwhile increase.
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it's probably a quadro with the fully unlocked chip and 48gb (maybe 96gb?) for a gazillion dollars
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Need to dig up the tweet but think the speculation was that it’d be a Titan/RTX8000 with 48GB of G6 RAM. Maybe they should do HBM?
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What if a GPU had a tower cooler, but instead of placing it all the way back over the PCIe slots, it was all the way up front. Take in cool air through the front panel and have it go straight through the GPU heatsink, leaving room under the GPU for some kind of normal card just in case you want one.
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What if the GPU had some kind of integral cooling system that takes cool air in and ejects it out the other side, but instead of projecting off the GPU PCB, you just screw the GPU wholly into it, and the rest of the components also fit into it as well. There's also room in this setup for a power supply unit powerful enough to provide power to all of the components.
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