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Tremek posted:Don't put words in my mouth - I haven't asked anyone to leave. You guys figure it out. Alright, well, no one cares about the money so good luck I guess.
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The Shortest Path posted:I imagine there's going to be a lot of settling down over the next ~24 hours while poo poo gets figured out  SpaceDrake posted:I play daily and am helping to put an end to the myth of missile/Caracal superiority. Please do this, I'm far too invested in lasers 
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Aug 31, 2020 00:03
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Tremek posted:Don't put words in my mouth - I haven't asked anyone to leave. You guys figure it out. jesus you still think you speak for majority of goons. How much more will it take for you to realize goons are socialist? How about when you got poo poo on for talking poo poo about a Black Lives Matter alliance name? You have no pulse to how modern SA Goons are, and you still double down that you speak for goons.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:03
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Tremek posted:
Hello, this is your Austere Space Dictator calling, please return the funds.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:04
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Khris Kruel posted:How about when you got poo poo on for talking poo poo about a Black Lives Matter alliance name? Yo TBF he was 100% right about that. Naming the Alliance BLM is a terrible fuckin idea.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:09
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So the same dude I called a true socialist in gang chat last night has today hosed off with the change from the couch cushions to prove a point. This game is incredible.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:16
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MarcusSA posted:Yo TBF he was 100% right about that. Naming the Alliance BLM is a terrible fuckin idea. The reasons he was making GBS threads on it in leadership chat were not the reasons it was a bad idea, though, from what I understand. Like, about 5 seconds after suggesting it we realized that it was kind of a bad idea to coopt the actual Black Lives Matter organization, even if it would make loads of racist pubbies incredibly mad, and that's a great reason to not name the alliance that. But Tremek going on a rant about socialism or whatever is uh... not a great look lol.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:18
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just saying now we're not naming the alliance Black Lives Matter, I just wanted to anchor the suggestions to get some kind of socialist branding as we move away from goonswarm branding. I don't want to screw it up and bring any harm to Black Lives Matter with our goony internet spaceship guild
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Aug 31, 2020 00:18
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Some unsolicited advice for whoever gets the leadership hot potato. I was the 2nd CEO of a very fast growing EO corp just as it was founded (Fweddit), probably because I was organizing the IT and not because of any real ability. We had a leadership team that was about 80% good people 20% drama-llamas. I spent a good month trying to herd cats and keep people happy while building for the future. We had plenty of active leadership but TONS of drama. I didn't want to  anyone who was doing good stuff for the corp like fitting ships, FCing fleets or otherwise doing critical organisation work. But we did have a couple of people who were highly active and highly caustic. Despite being popular due to doing lots of good work, they drained the life out of leadership. Which lead to less enthusiasm in the leadership team, snappy people and things eventually coming to a head. I'd suggest looking for the people who are pitching in that A) are helpful and pretty quiet about it, and B) aren't stirring up drama and causing a wide range of headaches. It won't solve anything but it will stabilise things long enough to build real coalitions and calm everything the gently caress down. That is what we did (and in particular Rina) and it worked, if I remember right. My dad was being palliated with cancer and I was his carer during all this and at I tapped out and retired, handing leadership to Rina Kondur which was probably a relief to everyone. But if I'd been decisive earlier on cutting the people causing drama it would have been better for everyone. Tl;dr version - Personality makeup of leadership is just as important as effort and skills. Purge like you're the lovechild of Sulla and Stalin. There is a non-zero chance I am looking at this with rose colored glasses and I was terrible.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:23
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Rapner posted:Tl;dr version - Personality makeup of leadership is just as important as effort and skills. Purge like you're the lovechild of Sulla and Stalin. 
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Aug 31, 2020 00:27
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Rapner posted:Purge like you're the lovechild of Sulla and Stalin. this would be very on-brand for the soviet goonion
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Aug 31, 2020 00:35
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Rigel posted:So every time someone starts a very popular Eve Echoes thread on SA, that person quickly melts down into a goonfucking villain Each time they have expected some clout for being the guy who made the thread or owned the discord. If you want clout from Goons you have to provide the goods. Its why basically NO ONE turned on Kris Kruel when a few poo poo heads tried to gently caress with him. Hes been solid so far, as has most of our players and leadership. A few million isk is nothing in the long run so I hope Tremek and the others crybabies enjoy being the next meme for a while. Also the main issue here was deciding on just how much racism, able-ism, sexism, transphobia and poo poo jokes were we going to allow? The answer seems to be none and that upset some people who are still stuck in 2005's Something Awful.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:39
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PEOPLE LOVED THAT PHARNAKES TOOK MONEY SO EVERYONE WILL LOVE ME TOOOOOOO
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Aug 31, 2020 00:42
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So far it sounds like the EE goon corp has been kartooned, haargothed, and now remedialed. I'm installing now.
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CainFortea posted:So far it sounds like the EE goon corp has been kartooned, haargothed, and now remedialed. Welcome, pilot
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Aug 31, 2020 00:47
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CainFortea posted:So far it sounds like the EE goon corp has been kartooned, haargothed, and now remedialed. We will have all quit the game by the end of next month at this rate so good choice in not waiting around!
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Aug 31, 2020 00:50
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CainFortea posted:So far it sounds like the EE goon corp has been kartooned, haargothed, and now remedialed. it becomes more and more true with each passing day - we are speedrunning Eve.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:57
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How to Fix Goon Structure in Echoes Today Tremek emptied the wallet (I hope he gives it back), and personality clashes in leadership chat are causing even more drama. You might say this is how goons are, but actually there is a simple solution. Issues Needs to be Addressed - Corp wallet can and will be emptied by someone with perms. - Leadership chat drama will continue to negatively affect all goons. Proposal: True Space Communism! or at least a bit more transparency. - We do not need to accumulate millions of ISK in Corp wallet waiting to be stolen. Let's go tax-free for now and open all hangars/ wallet perms to every member! Our industry core is working as it is without the need of corp wallet. If money is needed, then we all donate for that cause. Again, millions shouldn't be sitting in the wallet this early in the game. - The second issue is with the leadership structure everyone is used to. Revolution means reimagining the status quo. Those who are in the secret leadership chat; why is the leadership chat a secret? Is it because Valador would steal the super-secret goon doctrine? Or is it because you have something to hide from goons? I say let's open the leadership chat at least as read-only to all members! Discuss what you have to discuss but with everyone watching. Only then everyone can be the judge. Yes, there will be super secret stuff; you will need a separate channel for that but only for that. Selecting a region or missiles vs lasers, or alliance name are not super secret. - Let everyone vote on decisions. What are we voting on really? Well, whatever it is, do you think there is a huge gap between leadership and members in terms of expertise? We are all playing the same game. What makes a regular goon not-qualified to voice their opinion? Am I the only one? Let's switch to true space communism and start saving. DRWN fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 01:05
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true space communism has never been tried
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Darwin I'm not going to read your post. I'm just going to say we watched you completely gently caress two corps... what was it a day ago? two days ago. Why are you suggesting poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:09
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DRWN posted:How to Fix Goon Structure in Echoes  I’m in.
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Tremek posted:
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DRWN posted:Proposal: True Space Communism! or at least a bit more transparency.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:15
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Touchdown Boy posted:Each time they have expected some clout for being the guy who made the thread or owned the discord. That's some fun revisionist history. If you're paying attention, consider this is an attempt to prevent further Goonfucking. Think what you will, but myself and some other Goons started running missions only a few days into the game a couple weeks ago, figured out there was a lot of value in them, and then I started a spreadsheet that others contributed to so we could understand the dynamics of missions, help train people up, and empower people to not be spacepoor. I gave away literally hundreds of millions of isk in the process, gave people the mission books and asked them to Pay It Forward in return, and frankly enjoyed the whole process with everyone. Sure sounds like socialism to me.  So fast-forward to this week - Kris - while clearly sharp and talented - joins the new post-Valador corp Monday? night whereas he hadn't been in the corps up to that. Kris also has the self-admitted people skills of a woodchipper, and has been very toxic and exclusionary of normal, politically liberal rational people over the past couple days when given even the faintest whiff of someone that isn't as strident or as combative as what are apparently his IRL views, not just in-game position:  Bishop is in lock-step with him:  Pharnakes was forced by this drama to feel as though he had to ask me about my political affiliations:  And then further insanity ensued this morning when Bishop both actively tried to add Goon inquisition people to leadership and Kris flew off the handle again. That's nuts. If you guys are down with all that, I posit that you're, in fact, the Goonfuckers, or at the very least supporting them. As I said, you-all can figure it out, you've driven away Pharnakes and then doxxed me IRL because as far as I can tell there's toxicity being perpetuated within the ranks of the Kris and WanderingBishop supporters.
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Tremek posted:I posit that you're, in fact, the Goonfuckers, or at the very least supporting them. 
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Aug 31, 2020 01:29
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just fyi, there's no more leadership conflicts. Everyone in leadership is now socialist and we're united. The bads are purged
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Aug 31, 2020 01:31
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I miss when politics didn't come into my video games (The only form of acceptable approach is dictator, especially with dumb goons who need a firm hand in telling them wtf to do because no one has any idea) I also miss when people didn't get offended by words. *sigh*
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Malthuras posted:I miss when politics didn't come into my video games (The only form of acceptable approach is dictator, especially with dumb goons who need a firm hand in telling them wtf to do because no one has any idea) that was 2008. We grew up and care about things now
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Aug 31, 2020 01:33
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Malthuras posted:I miss when politics didn't come into my video games (The only form of acceptable approach is dictator, especially with dumb goons who need a firm hand in telling them wtf to do because no one has any idea) 
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Aug 31, 2020 01:33
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I don’t know, what happened but I’m gonna get my chair here and grab my popcorn from the microwave and just watch the drama unfold
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Aug 31, 2020 01:34
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Khris Kruel posted:that was 2008. We grew up ...ok (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 31, 2020 01:35
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Still lolling about the deklein tip being from the same racist corp that someone scouted out but they joined discord under a different corp tag, though equally yikes [XGAY], and proceeded to post dumb poo poo
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Khris Kruel posted:just fyi, there's no more leadership conflicts. Everyone in leadership is now socialist and we're united.  Can't make this poo poo up
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Aug 31, 2020 01:37
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Malthuras posted:I miss when politics didn't come into my video games (The only form of acceptable approach is dictator, especially with dumb goons who need a firm hand in telling them wtf to do because no one has any idea) I am sure there are plenty of places to look for bigots to play with.
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Malthuras posted:I miss when politics didn't come into my video games (The only form of acceptable approach is dictator, especially with dumb goons who need a firm hand in telling them wtf to do because no one has any idea) Reminder that this is the kind of person Tremek wanted us to just get along with. This is the kind of person Tremek didn't want to offend by having an alliance name with a "socialist ethos". Tremek threw a fit and robbed us because other leaders wanted to remove this toxicity from our alliance.
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also reminder that the entirety of today's drama was started because tremek had a meltdown in leadership chat about the name suggestion "Soviet Goonion"
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Khris Kruel posted:just fyi, there's no more leadership conflicts. Everyone in leadership is now socialist and we're united. Hey man, this is a bad look. I am all for treating people well in the Discord, not allowing bigotry or people to be lovely to each other, and allowing the corp to be for everyone's benefit and combined goals. We should be helping each other, not pursuing some sort of IRL political axegrind in a game where you can barely interact with anyone effectively right now anyway, and acting like this is somehow a unanimously popular move (it isn't, plenty of people in fleet chats I was in earlier today have said they come to this game to get some even momentary relief from the stress of the current political landscape) is just destined to end in pursuing of grudges, purity testing, and less fun for everyone. gently caress the space racists, but trying to enforce an extremely specific political view on the entire corp just isn't going to work.
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Aug 31, 2020 01:46
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Guys I took 600 million whos with me??? "whispers" no-one
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