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EclecticTastes posted:This is sort of a problem endemic to the 4X genre and grand strategy games in general. Most of the ways to win at those kinds of games involve either literal or cultural genocide (even many "diplomatic" victories imply this), and those that don't mostly involve leaving for another planet/ascending to a higher plane of existence so it's not like you're sticking around to be anyone's pal. So, discussing gameplay in a serious manner is often going to end up leading into blithely discussing digital genocide, at least when the topic is conflict with the various alien races. Part of this seems to be the implicit understanding that, because that's just how 4Xs tend to work, we're probably going to have to completely clear some of these guys off the board eventually. This is why I prefer to take it to a comedic extreme, so it's funny rather than tragic. Yeah agreed. Which is why I think doing more of an RP thing will lighten the mood a bit.
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C# Aurora often feels like it was five steps forward followed by four steps backwards.
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Thanks. One more hint: you may need to uncheck the "obsolete" checkbox on designs to get them to show up. Here is an ultra-boring starter: Gladius E: quote:Gladius E class Fast Attack Craft 868 tons 39 Crew 119.7 BP TCS 17 TH 139 EM 0 This replaces the engine, fire control, and drops the surprisingly heavy missiles to lighten it up. Refit cost is 100 bp: quote:Engine 69.6 bp (There is a 102 bp one that keeps the missiles but replaces the armor, but it also slower at 7km/s) ... It takes 119.7 BP to build one new, so it's 83.5% of the cost. Engine replacements aren't cheap. (There is probably better things to be done with the "size" BP, at least) For fun, you can build it on the same yard tooled for one of these (Gladius EG): quote:Gladius II class Fast Attack Craft 984 tons 46 Crew 130.7 BP TCS 20 TH 139 EM 0 ... which also upguns it and modernizes the armor. You can actually refit from Gladius to this for 118.7 cost -- AKA 90.8% of new. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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The new jump point makes raiding into Voss a lot more practical. Getting there via Caliban is a little longer than via Accatran (17bkm vs 12bkm), but the jump point is much more centrally located: On the old route, about 40% of the total distance was getting from the jump point to the inner system and none of our military ships can round-trip that without bringing tankers into Voss On the new route, anything but a Gladius can easily get to and from a tanker lurking in deep space in Caliban.
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Right, in-character discussion: From: Cmdr. Innocent Bystanders Re: Proposed operations FOR NAVY INTERNAL DISTRIBUTION ONLY A number of voices have gone up in favour of exploratory raids into the Voss system. However, the motivations for such a raid as well as the exact proposed mission parameters vary wildly between various proponents. The following is an attempt to outline the various streams of thought, and to sketch some of the tradeoffs involved. Motivations: The Kooken are the first, and most clearly threatening, alien civilisation encountered by humankind. They have destroyed several of our vessels and installations, and represent a significant military threat on our doorstep. Three motivations for operations into the Voss system predominate. A: A desire for up-to-date and exact intel. We have observed a large naval force during the original exploration of Voss, but this was over a decade ago. Our current navy is built around much of the intel we obtained at this time, but to assume our opponent has rested on their laurels is dangerous. We need to know what we’re up against. The downside here is that any incursions into their space may result in us finding their navy beyond our power to stop, and provoked into action by said incursion. B: A desire to obtain technology. If we can secure wreckage of modern Kooken warships in Terran-controlled space this would be an enormous boon to our military technology, as well as giving us intel more precise than remote observation ever could. This path required either waiting for further incursions into our space, recently lacking, or the provoking thereof by crossing the jump point their way. The downside here, of course, is that such a provocation should only draw a small force our way, and not a force capable of overwhelming ours. Such precision is a tall order even against other human factions, nevermind an alien culture we have little insight into, with unknown military capabilities. C: A desire to inflict damage. The Kooken represent a direct military threat to our nation, and any move to limit that threat by direct destruction of military hardware is seen as a move in the right direction. The downside here, given the previous two points, should be obvious. The key questions we should ask ourselves then, how does the danger of not having enough information weigh against the threat of provoking an unmanageable response? Is finding an answer to that question worth the risk of finding out the hard way it’s not to our liking? Fake edit: Going through caliban means not having an established military base to work from, and also we'd be passing right by a second foreign power. It's definetely an interesting proposal, but it seems high-risk high-reward to me. Also, if we do carry out a raid into Voss we should totally call it Operation Beehive.
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The Zeus gunboat is an unfortunately anachronous design with the introduction of the Avalanche. It is too slow to follow the Battleship into battle and any attempts to match speed with an Avalanche through refit cripples it. Therefore I propose not merely a redesign but a repurposing of the Gunboat. No longer will it rush into battle at close range, but instead act as a long range support ship to cripple powerful enemies so that the Avalanche can mop them up when it arrives.  This refit replaces the previous engines with a single engine larger engine that gives it increased speed and more importantly extended operational range. It updates the armor to the lighter modern standard as well as increasing crew berths to accommodate an equal deployment time to the Avalanche. The cavernous maintenance supply space was removed and replaced with additional engineering spaces, ensuring that the ship will have plenty of spare parts while suffering fewer failures. The largest change, as I'm sure you will notice, is the complete removal of all previous weaponry aside from the gauss cannon point defense and replacing it with a massive battery of 70 Size 4 box launchers. The size 5 box launchers previously included served no purpose as we had no missiles making use of the additional size. Furthermore the energy weapon armament was simply too slow and inaccurate to face modern threats. Tests were conducted with standard launchers, such as those found on the Bomb Truck corvette but the increased weight of the launchers meant a more expensive, heavier ship that was unable to meet refit standards even with fewer total missiles. In order to reflect this change of ordinance it should be noted that the missile fire control and active sensor were replaced with versions to make full use of our current generation of Macrotis Anti Ship Missiles. This incarnation of the Zeus II may not be a Gunboat in name, but it is more than capable of Gunboat Diplomacy. A seventy missile salvo is nothing to sneeze at, and if all three ships are refit and firing together a devastating 210 missile salvo should be more than enough to give the Kookens a bloody nose before the Avalanche falls upon them. It is not an especially flashy design, but it meets the standards of a refit and modernization and dispels any doubts that the Zeus won't serve a purpose on the modern battlefield. Edit: After further consideration as it works as an equal refit please consider 'gently caress it, why not?' version of the Zeus II, the Zeus II Heavy:  Who needs point defense when you can pack nearly twice the firepower into the same frame? A shipyard retooled for the Zeus II can produce and refit the Zeus into both the Zeus II and the Zeus II Heavy. Zeus II Heavy - because the best defense is a good offense. Lando131 fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Ladies and gentlemen, there can be no doubt that the Union of Terra is on precarious ground. Our reach is short and our grasp shorter still. We are surrounded on three sides by hostile alien powers, with only a handful of unexplored jump points and gravitational anomalies near Earth. To make matters worth, the Union Navy is tasked with defending the homeworld and two unproductive colonized systems with a bare thirteen modern vessels. This cannot stand. At every turn, the Kooken navy has menaced us, threatened us, blown up unarmed vessels in unprovoked acts of violence—even inside our own territory! This cannot stand. At the other end of space, the Juno Bugs have been just as unpleasant, just as hostile. The only reason their ships haven't been parading through Sol to taunt us is that they are several jumps farther from our territory and likely have not found us yet. This. Cannot. Stand. I agree with you, officers of the Committee. The time for us to take our destiny into our own hands has come. Yet, I must urge caution, my brothers and sisters in arms. Our navy, proud as it is, is yet small and untested in battle. Our knowledge of our enemies' capabilities is nearly nonexistent. And, worse, our ability to replace losses is scant. We cannot afford to start a fight in hostile territory. However, that does not mean we should not fight. We have every reason to believe that the new Avalanche-class battlecruisers are superior, one-on-one, to anything the Kooks can throw at us; faster, tougher, and better-armed. If we can lure the Kooks into an ambush, an unwise jump point assault, we can crush their response force and get some real answers. I concur with the proposal to provoke a small attack from the Kookens, with a large fleet laying in ambush on the Makho's Folly side of the jump point. I would like to suggest, however, to delay that operation until we have had time to refit our most-outdated combat vessels to something approaching modern standards. To wit, I have a few designs for the Committee's consideration: (see designs later in the thread) --- OOC discussion: Voting C on the raid, provided we get the military modernized to at least some degree first. Also, if I got a response I missed it, so Virtual Russian, please dwarf me and make me immune to retirement. I'd prefer to be a captain of one of the Avalanches, if such a slot is available (they're my design after all!), but if not that's fine. Zurai fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Zeus is hard to do anything with since it would have to use the 50,000 ton yard, which probably has better things to do than retool away from Avalanche to upgrade the 3 existing ships. Also, I think Virtual Russian veto'ed mass box launchers since they are a UI mess. If you want to do anything besides shoot every tube at one target you have to click them one-by-one.
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Foxfire_ posted:Also, I think Virtual Russian veto'ed mass box launchers since they are a UI mess. If you want to do anything besides shoot every tube at one target you have to click them one-by-one.
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Foxfire_ posted:Zeus is hard to do anything with since it would have to use the 50,000 ton yard, which probably has better things to do than retool away from Avalanche to upgrade the 3 existing ships. Yeah, I noticed that too. It's a bit of a shame since I actually really like my Athena design. We really need a long-range sensor and the other ships are too small to really mount one. quote:Also, I think Virtual Russian veto'ed mass box launchers since they are a UI mess. If you want to do anything besides shoot every tube at one target you have to click them one-by-one. Did he? I'll wait for confirmation, but that kinda ruins my Accatran, too. Without the box launchers it's just a slightly-bigger Bomb Truck. I suppose I could throw both problems at each other...
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I can make a Zeus with 40 30% reduced launchers and 3 reloads worth of ammo if I remove the Gauss PD, but I'm not going to submit it because a refit costs more than a fresh build and that's just silly.
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Foxfire_ posted:Zeus is hard to do anything with since it would have to use the 50,000 ton yard, which probably has better things to do than retool away from Avalanche to upgrade the 3 existing ships. I'll deal with them. Just expect less than efficient use at times. Who can say no to 130 missile alpha strikes. Support ships boxes are ok I guess, our battleships and battlecruisers less so. Don't give me 200+ boxes please. On the yards, the retooling isn't that bad, its not like we have the crew to make more battlecruisers. I'm fixing that, but it will take time. Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Virtual Russian posted:I'll deal with them. Just expect less than efficient use at times. Who can say no to 130 missile alpha strikes. If we develop missiles that are self-guiding, so that you can just use the "launch ready ordnance" command, then can we have 300 box launcher BBs?
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Shoeless posted:If we develop missiles that are self-guiding, so that you can just use the "launch ready ordnance" command, then can we have 300 box launcher BBs? If you can fit a fighter craft with enough explosives, we technically can have self-guiding missiles right now.
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EclecticTastes posted:If you can fit a fighter craft with enough explosives, we technically can have self-guiding missiles right now. That still requires Virtual Russian to micromanage all the fighters though, which is the problem. What we need is easy of use and automation in a grognard game, which... yeah.
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Aug 31, 2020 06:41
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B Flying into Kook space, painting everything and getting out would be audacious enough. Hell, they might just send a punitive expedition giving us a skirmish on our side of the JP in response. I am worried about escalation, especially with the bugs nearby. It would be horrible to loose ships to the Kooks and then see a small bug fleet jump in.
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Aug 31, 2020 06:56
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Voting for B And Dorf me as captain.
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Oh and yeah, voting B
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Virtual Russian posted:++++++++ Bonus Vote ++++++++
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B Make a thunderrun with all actives blasting. Hope you survive. Transmit data anyway. and for my refit: Gladius SEP Currently the Gladius gunboat suffers from obsolete engines, as well as a short range and a missile suit unsuited to its ammo. By updating the missile suit, replacing the engines and adding additional fuel in the space made avaible, the range could be tripled, while maintaining acceptable speed. Additionally, the throwweight of the missile suit could be doubled. code:code:
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Aug 31, 2020 11:06
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B, poke the bear a little.
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Aug 31, 2020 11:49
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Shoot, my idea didn't work out. Apparently tractor beams in Aurora force the ship with the beam to be the driver. You can't use tractor beams to latch a rider onto a vessel with engines. I was planning to get the Avalanches to double as FAC carriers by turning the Artemises into immobile pods with tractor beams and enough fuel/MSP/magazine space to accommodate 2000 tons of hangar space. That would have allowed the three Avalanches to carry a full squadron of FACs with them into combat while keeping up with the speed of the rest of the fleet, and as soon as an enemy fleet was close enough to matter they could have jettisoned the pods and been up to full speed with 6 FACs alongside them. Alas, when I tested it out, the combined unit moved at 1 km/s. I think there's still merit to this idea for the future, and the next time we get a chance to design large capital ships I'm going to propose we slap a tractor on there for exactly this purpose. It lets us turn 500 tons of space (tractor beam) into multiple thousand tons of hangar bay space without having to suffer the combat speed/size penalty associated with having it all onboard. An almost completely future-proof 4500-ton pod can accommodate 2 hangar spaces (2 FACs or 4 full-sized fighters), 2 magazines, 250k liters of fuel, 600 MSP, and 5 layers of armor with 24 months of deployment time (for use as jump point defenses or the like). Stripping the armor down to 1 layer reduces the weight to 3800 tons; reducing the deployment time to 12 moths only saves about 60 tons. The only components on there that would conceivably require updating are the armor and the magazines, and neither would really do anything other than shaving a few tons every generation of tech.
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Zurai posted:Shoot, my idea didn't work out. Apparently tractor beams in Aurora force the ship with the beam to be the driver. You can't use tractor beams to latch a rider onto a vessel with engines. I was planning to get the Avalanches to double as FAC carriers by turning the Artemises into immobile pods with tractor beams and enough fuel/MSP/magazine space to accommodate 2000 tons of hangar space. That would have allowed the three Avalanches to carry a full squadron of FACs with them into combat while keeping up with the speed of the rest of the fleet, and as soon as an enemy fleet was close enough to matter they could have jettisoned the pods and been up to full speed with 6 FACs alongside them. Alas, when I tested it out, the combined unit moved at 1 km/s. Can we do the Weber thing of having loads of towed box magazines?
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Z the IVth posted:Can we do the Weber thing of having loads of towed box magazines? That's actually what started the idea in my head, but I don't think missile pods make logical sense in Aurora. In Honor Harrington, pod superdreadnoughts produce overwhelming weight of fire by being essentially hollow transport ships loaded with thousands and thousands of pods that can launch like a dozen self-sufficient missiles each. This is better than putting the tubes on the dreadnought itself because you can't actually fit that many launchers on the exterior of a ship that size; the way shields work in HH means there's relatively little available weapon real-estate. In addition, missiles in Aurora have to have a missile fire control to launch, which means that every single pod would have to devote space to a MFC, making things massively wasteful. I'm also not sure whether it's possible to daisy-chain tractor beams together, given what I discovered testing my own idea.
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Z the IVth posted:Can we do the Weber thing of having loads of towed box magazines? Yeah, you can, it's just inefficient, the towed launch box needs a crew and maintenance and some FCS and so on, and the towing ship needs more engine to not be slowed down dramatically, you're better off building the missile pod in your ship to begin with. Now, you can make the missile pod a bunch of stripped down fighters and pop them out of a carrier to fire, that's more efficient and still a pain in the behind, especially for the LPer.
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A couple more: Zeurs MNA:  Drops basically all beam weapons except the point defense turret and associated fire controls, cryo storage and downsizes maintenance supplies some. Adds an extra engine and missile loadout, tweaks active search sensor. (I probably used the wrong missile fire control, though, now I notice. Probably should share one with the bomb truck, given this is basically a bigger, tougher one anyway). Refit cost:  (The armor isn't replaced, just needs extra to cover additional tonnage) ... With refit time of about 9 months, as opposed to a bit under 21 months for whole thing. And for Artemis, one with lots of (cheap) new components modernizing FC and power plant, and new armor but basically nothing new:  (.. and again, also downsides maintenance storage space some) This basically just makes it a bit faster and a bit more accurate. (I wonder if someone will come up with something good by getting rid of the ultra-heavy turret?) Refit cost:  ... with refit time of about 4 months, as opposed to about 13 for brand new.
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Zurai posted:That's actually what started the idea in my head, but I don't think missile pods make logical sense in Aurora. I recall someone in the Saros-LP floating a similar idea in spirit, if not in precise execution but I can't remember the specifics now. I suppose it's a function of it's origin since Aurora was designed for Starfire rather than HH.
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Starfire, at least the books had missile pods in a big way but they were mainly used for jump point assaults.
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Saros posted:Starfire, at least the books had missile pods in a big way but they were mainly used for jump point assaults. Yeah, they used jump-capable cruise missiles to soften up heavily-defended jump points. That, too, is not really feasible in Aurora; you can't fit a jump engine on a missile, nor can you fire a missile through a jump gate. Sending "disposable" missile pods through a gate would still cost crew and require a lot of overhead (MFCs, crew quarters, etc). Going back to the FAC-carrier pods, I think the reason it works so well (theoretically speaking, obviously this is untested) is that it takes advantage of the fact that we have a significant gap in the speeds between our large capital ships and the support vessels. There's ~2,500 kps of speed that's being wasted during strategic movement, and having the BCs tow a stripped-down FAC carrier exploits that speed differential without compromising their tactical speed. It does, however, as with almost any clever idea in Aurora, cause a degree of micromanagement. Each pod would need to be individually un-towed and launch its pair of FACs/quartet of fighters, where with a dedicated carrier you would need a lot fewer button presses. It's not as bad as assigning hundreds of box launchers to missile controls, but it's still extra steps. Zurai fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Only if you crew the pods with real sailors and not just conscripts.... We can even pretend it's a drone if that's what the newsvids need to hear
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Zurai posted:It's not as bad as assigning hundreds of box launchers to missile controls, but it's still extra steps. I'm still baffled as to why I can't just shift click and select+drag multiple weapons. It just seems like such a basic easy expected-in-this-day-and-age thing.
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Zurai posted:Yeah, they used jump-capable cruise missiles to soften up heavily-defended jump points. That, too, is not really feasible in Aurora; you can't fit a jump engine on a missile, nor can you fire a missile through a jump gate. Sending "disposable" missile pods through a gate would still cost crew and require a lot of overhead (MFCs, crew quarters, etc). The issue you'll run into when 'using' that extra speed is that the Avalanche's don't have a whole lot of fuel for offensive operations and reducing their speed by over 1/3 will also reduce their range by over 1/3. If you really want to tow carrier pods you might as well go all the way and just have commercial tugs pull them around. If you want to be a real smartass about it give the tug a bit of armor and make it your collier/tanker as well so it's effectively a carrier that tows it's hanger bay behind it, drops it and runs when combat situations arise.
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Kobold and Gladius are basically the same hull, just with different mission payloads. This is merging them into a single thing. Kobold with a knife = Shiv  This is modernizing the engines+armor, and using the savings to (1) increase deployment time, (2) add spares to fix an engine failure, (3) add speed, (4) and add a backup active for limited-range self-guided shooting. They can now join an Avalanche group at combat speeds. The engines used on the original Kobold/Gladius are from a generation back plus outdated fuel efficiency. Anything worth building will need to replace it, which requires a hefty chunk of research. Kept the dual engine design to reduce the research cost. The single engine version I played with is 7000km/s, but about twice the research. The particular sensor on the sensor variant is a resolution vs range tradeoff. Keeping the A36-R50 from the sensor Gladius would reduce refit costs, but it won't see an enemy FAC till 6mkm + our main sensor platforms (Gadget) mounts that sensor already. We're short on high resolution sensors. These aren't shipyard compatible, but switching between them is only a 2-month project. For refits, this is not really saving cost at all, it spends BP to buy full task force training and crew grade bonus for new ships. To Shiv: - Gladius (8 hulls): 142.3BP / 112% of new / 15BP wasted - Gladius Sensor (2 hulls): 170.2BP / 134% of new / 43BP wasted [the sensor Gladius are undersize, which makes them expensive to update] - Kobold (13 hulls): 92.9BP / 73% of new / 34BP saved To Shiv Sensor: - Gladius (8 hulls): 182.9BP / 118% of new / 28BP wasted - Gladius Sensor (2 hulls): 214.6BP / 138% of new / 59BP wasted - Kobold (13 hulls): 175BP / 113% of new / 19BP wasted You could also upgrade the 8 colonial hulls, but these are 0.6% IFR instead of the colonial 0.2% IFR, so they do fail more. Shoeless posted:I'm still baffled as to why I can't just shift click and select+drag multiple weapons. It just seems like such a basic easy expected-in-this-day-and-age thing. Out-of-the-box Windows Forms TreeView control doesn't support that. It's interface is based around there being a singular SelectedNode at one time instead of a collection. Lots of 3rd party libraries have ones that do multiple select, but they're not drop-in-replacements. Foxfire_ fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Crazycryodude posted:Only if you crew the pods with real sailors and not just conscripts.... You only need 2 pigs as a sacrifice to the Warp Gods to open a jump portal so we don't even need to resort to morally difficult suicide bombers. Bit of a waste of good pork though.
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Lando131 posted:The issue you'll run into when 'using' that extra speed is that the Avalanche's don't have a whole lot of fuel for offensive operations and reducing their speed by over 1/3 will also reduce their range by over 1/3. If you really want to tow carrier pods you might as well go all the way and just have commercial tugs pull them around. If you want to be a real smartass about it give the tug a bit of armor and make it your collier/tanker as well so it's effectively a carrier that tows it's hanger bay behind it, drops it and runs when combat situations arise. Commercial tugs would slow the fleet down enormously in strategic situations. Commercial engines are just plain incapable of approaching the speeds of military engines. With our current tech, you might possibly be able to get 2.5k kps, which is slower than anything in the modernized fleet by a good ~40%. Also, I don't think the hangar pod I proposed would slow the Avalanches by nearly that much; it's about 18% more mass, so it would cut their range down to about 8.5b km. That's still within the minimum range required by their original design specs.
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Kodos666 posted:Addendum: the Sensorcraft should make a good, expendable scout and is easily capable of making the distance from the Caliban-Voss-JP to Voss AIII and back (if possible), without refueling and possibly even getting away from the Kooks if pursued. If an agressive raid is the order of the day, the whole group would make a nice raiding group. Can't make the the trip out to Caliban without going way over deployment time. It's a month each way at Avalanche speeds, 5 months at Big Pig speeds. You can do it by sending out the Big Pig first to be refueling points, but you still need a couple months of travel time. Of our current ships, Avalanche, Artemis, Bomb Truck, Dionysus, Kobold, and Zeus can do it. Gadget and Wyern can do it if you accept going over time and tanking morale on the way back. (I kind of want to spend the 50k yard on a fleet oiler instead of a Zeus refit)
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Is balance the reason why our ships are not allowed to paint targets for missiles originating from other craft?
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A military-grade oiler would be amazing. We do need a ship with an actual full-sized sensor package, though. I haven't posted it yet because I'm still tweaking, but I'm going to re-submit the Athena with an improved sensor package (including passive sensors capable of spotting a fleet with similarly-sized vessels well out of active sensor range).
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