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Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Big Bidness posted:

I’m not saying it will be easy to get- most launch consoles are a pain. Except for the Xbox One and WiiU. No one wanted them.





Can't even view the forums on this piece of poo poo!

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I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

or, and hear me out here, OR...

you could wait for sony to announce something and not get all wild about unconfirmed poo poo

*chorus of boos, tomatoes thrown*

Sony did announce something, that is literally what we are talking about right now is a Sony announcement regarding direct pre-orders.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Quantum of Phallus posted:



Can't even view the forums on this piece of poo poo!

I remember when someone use to browse the forums on a Sega Dreamcast.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

BP is browsing the forums on the Dell Inspiron in the local library

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Escobarbarian posted:

Ah, I see you’re new to this thread


Anyway I can’t believe only people with trophy levels of 20 or above will be allowed to pre-order PS5s!!!!

At least I'm good for it

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

I said come in! posted:

Sony did announce something, that is literally what we are talking about right now is a Sony announcement regarding direct pre-orders.

yah and four seconds later that turned into "they won't have enough toys for christmas" and there was gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes

lol nevermind you're right carry on

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Literally every retailer in the UK has a 'register your interest!' preorder system going, you'd have to be insane to think that the only way to get one at launch would be from that Sony one.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

RareAcumen posted:

*slamming fists on table*

All games need Sonic Movie level remakes and triple overtime for employees going through that poo poo.

They already have plenty of triple overtime, the team working on Cyberpunk 2077 are probably going through quadruple overtime right now.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

On the other hand it launches in likely less than three months and we still don't know how much it's going to cost so who knows

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

There's a console launch approaching so every publisher is basically Goku but coming up with more powerful forms of crunch.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Quantum of Phallus posted:

BP is browsing the forums on the Dell Inspiron in the local library

:hmmyes:

Sakurazuka posted:

On the other hand it launches in likely less than three months and we still don't know how much it's going to cost so who knows

It will be somewhere within the range of console price.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

:hmmyes:


It will be somewhere within the range of console price.

$599?

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK




That is a price I paid once upon a time :eng99:

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Bust Rodd posted:

Beanpole, i am curious: In light of Ubisoft and Tom Clancy's obvious pisspoor politics, are you still playing R6 Siege with any frequency? I know it's not the same thing but the protests this year have really turned my opinions on certain dumb stuff around.

Like I feel really stupid for admitting this now, but like, I just can't stand Batman stuff anymore. After Phoenix's amazing Joker I started to deconstruct the mythos a little on my own but now I am in full bore "Bruce Wayne is a fascist technocrat who gets off on beating up the mentally ill" and that sort of thing. My response to Regan's face in that CoD trailer was one of pure revulsion. I don't ever see myself playing a pro-mil, pro-cop, pro-Ops game ever again. Honestly the only Human vs Human PvP i'm excited about whatsoever is weirdly Factions, whenever it comes out, because TLoU2 is beautifully apolitical in its depressing world view.

Thanks for asking. I'll offer you this from the heart.

During the latter half of the PS2 and early years of the the post-9/11 Iraq War insanity I played a good amount of military-themed stuff, several socom games, Pandora Tomorrow spies v mercs, etc, and the theme was usually a harder sell for me than the technology it was pushing (if you'll remember, on PS2 the online infrastructure was pretty weak so Socom was kind of the headliner title). I think that's why the early days of the PS3 felt like such a breath of fresh air to me then, because at that point there just wasn't much mil-sim stuff, myself and others were playing Resistance and Warhawk sure, those sort of ideas broken out into goofy alien or arcade contexts, but other than that you had Folklore, Flow, Ridge Racer, Motorstorm, Tony Hawk, etc.

So when CoD4 came out and was all anyone could talk about I kind of felt compelled to give it a shot. I only ever played the single-player but I must say that it transfixed me like a good piece of propaganda can. In there I thought I spied a hint of a warning or comment on the contemporary moment (hard to place now because everything felt so dark to me in 2006-7, I was deeply hosed up, depressed, and suicidal), but it was surrounded in this gloss and whiz-bang and remarkable sleight of hand, and I got the impression that what I was seeing was not what anyone else was seeing...so over the course of 6 months reflecting on it afterward I came to the conclusion that it didn't really matter if I saw anything in there because the overall freakish, mind bending nature of life in the usa at the time overrided any and all attempts to satirize or deconstruct narrative, and I was unable to articulate my ideas about it to anyone.

I pretty much stopped playing mil-sims right then and there. Even when I eventually dragged myself through meta-experiences like Spec-Ops: The Line in 2013 in order to understand the hubub I still kind of felt that same detachment, like the game was desperately trying to furnish a point that I'd already taken to heart a decade prior. When I first played Siege all that same detachment was kind of still there, but because the game was first and foremost an exercise in pushing the technology of the engine, and up to that point in year 3 almost had zero narrative to speak of, I was able to compartmentalize the ridiculous, outsized caricatures of it's GI Joe personalities and enjoy the PS2 geo-mod strategic puzzle made real, in the same way that I was able to play with GI Joe action figures down by the creek as a kid and disassociate from their Iran-Contra-Reagan era drug war mythos. Some of my IRL friends took to making fun of me for playing a Siege because its gun porn was not accurate or expansive enough, but really I'm not interested in that kind of cosplay identity. Gun ownership should be a discipline imo, not a fetish.

The experimental dev stage of Siege was pretty much coming to a close by summer of last year when they started focusing less on engine tweaks and content addition and more primarily on e-sports, battle-pass events, narrative storylines for the fash characters, etc...culminating in what is apparently the game's peak popularity on the verge of a downswing. They'll get tons more money out of it, sure, and it's absolutely a huge platform for them for years to come, but as we speak they are adding Sam Fisher content and the original vision for the game seems lost in a sea of cross-promo style development kruft. COVID remote development has completely wrecked their servers and bugtesting live services pipeline. Not to mention how their seasonal content model continually latches onto the fash angle of every world development. When Hong Kong was protesting, they gave the Hong Kong police ops armor away for free. When the Amazon was burning, you better believe they found a fash angle for their seasonal ops to be attached to it. Whoever is now in charge of the game is making sure it stays topically fash from season to season.

Throughout this console gen I've pretty much exclusively avoided all ubisoft properties (whatever they've been pushing ideologically or selling to kids has largely eluded me), as well as Battlefield, Medal of Honor, CoD, Far Cry, Crysis, WatchDogs, Counterstrike, Division, whatever...but I've definitely been aware of them peripherally by watching my nephews and little brother get sucked in at times. I do worry on occasion what kind of poo poo they're absorbing, because I think these types of propaganda are quite sophisticated even on adults. I take pleasure in trying to get them attached to Bloodsouls instead, especially when it successfully HOOKS them. I feel like the political angles of those games give them more to think about.

As for myself, I've pretty much spent a lifetime despising authority figures and military/police iconography. Post-quarantine, post-Taylor/Floyd, post-Kenosha, in the aftermath of the violent suppression of national grief in May/June, I can't even look at police in my town without experiencing physical revulsion. I go out and get slammed around by police, get gassed with other members of the community, and hear people shouting obscenity at police from their backyards and front porches as we are kettled through neighborhoods and back alleys by LRAD and flashbang. PDX is activated and harmonized as a community in a way I never considered possible prior, but nevertheless the drones and spy-planes still fly over our city all day every day, police still escort the caravans of nazis through the center of town on a regular basis, and they still pal around with ex Navy Seals who do contract work for the CIA and throw pipebombs into protest crowds. I can't really stomach to watch police-related entertainment like I could before, unless it's fundamentally about abandoning that code. I can't see mil-sim poo poo as anything other than us collectively trying to pathologically sympathize with our murderous tormentors.

Sorry to drag this out, I just wanted to say some of it out loud for my own mental health. I guess, to answer your question succinctly: it has less to do with some revelation of gross ideological trends or corporate abuse within Ubisoft (because I fully expect that kind of stuff to metastasize in every major corporate environment), and more to do with a confluence of numerous larger world circumstances, but yeah, it started getting very easy in the month of June to just fire up Rocket League, FF7, Souls, or 2LOU instead of Siege. I await 2LOU Factions 2, and I could conceivably still play a new Titanfall or arcade-style Warhawk, but I think I'm broken from any attachment to mil-sim propaganda forevermore.



Demon Cracker Nation

Total Abolition

ACAB

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Hell Yeah bro thanks for the bean post

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.
Is Day's Gone worth the time if you're picking it up at 15-20 bucks or whatever? I'm about to finish TLOU2 and really getting to the end of the quarantine games list. Maybe Prey? I've never played that but this thread seems to like it (though review consensus said middling).

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
Yeah, for that price, go for it.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Demon Cracker Nation

Total Abolition

ACAB

there should be post awards, this post deserves an award

Rad Valtar
May 31, 2011

Someday coach Im going to throw for 6 TDs in the Super Bowl.

Sit your ass down Steve.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

yah and four seconds later that turned into "they won't have enough toys for christmas" and there was gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes

lol nevermind you're right carry on

Just like everything else on the internet people are overreacting to this. See the previous blow up the people in this thread had because of a webpage removed that talked about backwards compatibility.

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

mikeraskol posted:

Is Day's Gone worth the time if you're picking it up at 15-20 bucks or whatever? I'm about to finish TLOU2 and really getting to the end of the quarantine games list. Maybe Prey? I've never played that but this thread seems to like it (though review consensus said middling).

Yeah it's definitely worth that.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Arkane!Prey is honestly one of my top 10 favorites from this generation and Days Gone is a perfectly cromulent open world zombie survival game. It doesn't have the extreme polish that Sony's other big studio AAAs do but it's got some heart.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


people interested in a launch PS5 are talking an awful lot of poo poo about the launch wii u, a system you can use to bludgeon someone with a launch PS5 to insure that your family has a happy holidays

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

BP, that was a very well written and insightful post. I won’t quote it due to length. But with all that said would you go on to say that Bloodborne’s handling of the mentally unwell is actually problematic? After reading that, I think we can all agree that continuing to promote that game might be a bad idea...

Miss Mowcher
Jul 24, 2007

Ribbit

This is a good post, especially after the “whatever I just play the game/shoot stuff” from the other goon.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


I"m now re thinking buying a PS5 at launch from this thread, just opening and cleaning (and maybe adding paste to the ps4 pro) and revisiting in the spring. I have plenty of PS4 games to hold me over, and I can live with the jet engine noise as long as the system doesn't overheat on me.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
but bugsnax tho

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Cod4 is very critical of us foreign policy, mw2 is a Roland Emmerich film but hates the idea of military adventuring and presents the idea of generating terror attacks and military action to self perpetuate the mic as monstrous (but only that specifically, pointedly, nothing wrong with it otherwise) , but after that is all in on everything.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Sep 1, 2020

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!
Days gone is entiredly saved by Sam witwers performance as the hero.

It has an enormous focus on the hero having dialogue for everything. Everything! Baffling amounts of comments on things you drive by and how fights are going and all kinds of stuff, to the point of it being almost farcical how he never, ever shuts up.

And its not a very good script. It's the kind of script that old comic writers do where the line looks fine on a page but could never be delivered by a sane human. Too many words, too verbose about simple things, wierd missing contractions that sound unnatural.

Witwer saves it by delivering it like he's about on the verge of a breakdown, just absolutely losing his poo poo when he hears a bad conspiracy theory or has to craft a bandage.

I don't believe that was the intention with the script at all as written but it's good fun.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I just watched Lego Batman again the other day and as far as I'm concerned that resolves his character forever and there doesn't need to be any more Batman stuff ever again.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

They already have plenty of triple overtime, the team working on Cyberpunk 2077 are probably going through quadruple overtime right now.

Oh, I don't mean worker-killing overtime, I meant overtime pay.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Blind Rasputin posted:

BP, that was a very well written and insightful post. I won’t quote it due to length. But with all that said would you go on to say that Bloodborne’s handling of the mentally unwell is actually problematic? After reading that, I think we can all agree that continuing to promote that game might be a bad idea...

the mentally unwell are either sick with plague or have gained too much insight into the workings of the world. BB is a documentary

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

My favorite ending in Bloodborne is the one where you go "nah" and let yourself be woken up

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



RBA Starblade posted:

My favorite ending in Bloodborne is the one where you go "nah" and let yourself be woken up

BB woke

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Escobarbarian posted:

Really seems like a lot of the difficulty increase in Dark Souls 3 comes from giving you less stamina and less flasks that also heal less 🤔

Depends, you get way more as it goes on and you drink it a lot faster, but the game is also faster and more dodge-heavy in general. Embering also increases your healthbar by a substandtial margin, which is a mechanic that I really enjoy.

Escobarbarian posted:

I had a really tough time with the opening sections of DS3. Definitely harder than I did with 1 or BB (this most recent time, anyway). I made it to the Undead Settlement though and I’m having a better time of it, although currently struggling with the fat witch enemies. I love that the basic enemies here will get staggered just from you rolling into them

Yeah, Iudex Gundyr is a very confrontational way to start the game, very Bloodborne-esque kind of "come at me, bro" from the devs.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



il serpente cosmico posted:

Superheroes are cops and they all suck

Yes.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

What about the Xmen

Xmen are mutants, not heroes. :eng101: tbf I liked xmen and silver surfer growing up.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Please don't beat me up American posters, i love y'all

The struggle against fascism is an international one. Many countries are rebelling against the concept of police as neoliberalism crumbles around them. If you live under neoliberalism it's only a matter of time before you also hate your police and, subsequently, your superheroes.

bloodysabbath posted:

This. Not Ubi, but for instance, articles coming from supposed gaming outlets about “CALL OF DUTY COLD WAR LIONIZES REAGAN/ PROMOTES WAR CRIMES /PUSHES ALT RIGHT CONSPIRACY THEORIES” and the like are so hilarious as to be a parody, especially when you consider the story for these games always reads like a first year screenwriting student just finished marathoning the Michael Bay filmography for the first time and has to turn in his draft for a final in two hours.

Like I get it, The Gipper was a war criminal and instrumental in gifting the US with decades of conservative bullshit. May he choke on horse cocks in hell. Now, I can either impotently clutch at pearls infinitely into the digital void to pretend I’m making a difference, or I can play the first legit shooter campaign made by Raven Software since Singularity.

People don't like to think about how invested DOD is within the industry because it means coming to terms with certian fundamental and heretofore unexamined assumptions about their own media consumption.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Yeah, Iudex Gundyr is a very confrontational way to start the game, very Bloodborne-esque kind of "come at me, bro" from the devs.

Yeah, it's almost completely a "did you remember how to fight the huge enemies that the camera can't deal with in BB y/n" fight

If you know to hug the rear end in a top hat and never let go, don't dodge, don't evade, just hold with both hands and try thrusting

He's never killed me :v:

Iudex Gundyr Mk. 2 is funny because it's a "now do you remember how the chalice dungeon bosses were FUCKER" fight

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



RBA Starblade posted:

He's never killed me :v:

killed the gently caress out of me :sweatdrop:

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.

RBA Starblade posted:

My favorite ending in Bloodborne is the one where you go "nah" and let yourself be woken up

I don't think so. Kill the old man, try to fix the system, then get immediately shown who is really in charge as your stomach gets eaten. Become what you hate

derra
Dec 29, 2012
The improved HDD read speeds of the PS5 will apply to PS4 compatible games, right? That, along with forward compatibility is enough reason to get one at launch for me.

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RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Fargin Icehole posted:

I don't think so. Kill the old man, try to fix the system, then get immediately shown who is really in charge as your stomach gets eaten. Become what you hate

I just think it's funny to go "gently caress this I'm out I just wanted the transfusion!" first opportunity you get

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