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I've recently been slowly making my way through all the Godzilla's but man its hard to get into the 1970s.
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Hollismason posted:I've recently been slowly making my way through all the Godzilla's but man its hard to get into the 1970s. Where you at my man
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Sep 1, 2020 03:24
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Sorry man, I can't relate. The 70s has Hedorah, Gigan, and the MechaGodzillas. It might be my favorite decade for the franchise. Granted, this is all influenced by what I liked as a kid but there you go.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:27
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Does this collection allow me to watch the Gamera films with and without MST3K commentary?
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Sep 1, 2020 03:28
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The MST3K DVD sets are just the MST3K episodes. It's not just a matter of a commentary track, there's more around it.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:29
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Waffleman_ posted:The MST3K DVD sets are just the MST3K episodes. It's not just a matter of a commentary track, there's more around it. Gotcha, gotcha - no shade to MST3K, but I'm just starting to expand from Godzilla, so I only wanted to get started on the Gamera series.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:35
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I’m in the minority here, but that’s probably my personal favorite era. Here are the 1970’s Godzilla movies: Godzilla vs Hedorah Godzilla vs Gigan Godzilla vs Megalon Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla Terror of Mechagodzilla Hedorah I love because it’s so weird. It’s got an uneven pace but ultimately there’s enough odd decisions made throughout that I am entertained. Gigan is pretty dire, I’ll admit. I think that had the smallest budget. It’s shot really dark, the theme park plot is especially dumb, and it’s pretty obvious that Gigan is made of an old Ghidorah suit. I don’t look on that one very fondly. Megalon is a classic z-movie. It’s so threadbare and silly that it makes for an excellent movie to drink with friends. And it’s got Jet Jaggah. It’s very dumb but very charming in a way that Gigan wasn’t. The two Mechagodzillas are undoubtedly fun times though. The franchise ended on a very high note IMO. The soundtracks are great, the violence is kicked up a notch and the human/alien plots in both are more of a polished re-do of a couple earlier films but who’s counting? Terror especially is well paced and I have a soft spot for the Titanosaur. The amount of fireworks they stuff into the Mechagodzilla suit is awesome too. Also they never topped that MechaG design IMO.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:48
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A Dapper Walrus posted:Gotcha, gotcha - no shade to MST3K, but I'm just starting to expand from Godzilla, so I only wanted to get started on the Gamera series. Like was mentioned earlier, Arrow DID recently release a complete Gamera collection that's just the movies.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:48
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The only ‘essential’ Gamera movies are the 90’s ones IMO. I never found any of the original run to be particularly entertaining.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:57
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Maybe I’m losing my mind, but having watched the first two Gamera films so far, I think I can say both were better than a lot of the Showa-era Godzilla films. Gamera vs. Barugon kicks the poo poo out of Ebirah, Horror of the Deep.
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Sep 1, 2020 03:59
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That is high praise, because Ebirah is probably one of the best Showa-era films, in my opinion. I just finished Godzilla vs Gigan and I know people are ragging on it, but it's some solid dumb fun. Maybe it's because it's a live action of the Destroy All Monsters Gamecube game I played as a kid, but I loved the tagteam fights. Hedorah was more of a stinker to because it was completely incoherent but pretended that it had a lot more going on, plot-wise. I do respect the message and it's got some of the most striking imagery that I've seen so far.
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Sep 1, 2020 04:04
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Admittedly, I don’t like Ebirah very much — I think it’s one of the least exciting Showa-era films. But Barugon is a much more interesting kaiju, and the movie does the whole “mysterious island” plot better. (Plus, crucify me if you must, but the fight choreography has been more engaging.)
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Sep 1, 2020 04:13
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Violator posted:Wasn't all of the damage actually caused by the US military flailing around trying to kill Zilla? I don't think he destroyed any buildings, he slithered around them. Right, that’s where the King Kong influence really comes into play; Zilla is, strictly speaking, not very harmful at all. He seemingly only eats fish, and is only on shore to lay eggs. It’s why nobody noticed him swimming around for over 30 years. So they roll out the military and start firing missiles in response to relatively minor property damage. Mainly, they’re afraid of the sheer existence of the thing, because the idea of reshaping their lives to include Zilla is just completely unthinkable. Godzilla 1998 was kinda obviously deliberate at being untraditional. So the monster is lithe, fast, intelligent, gentle, and ultimately fragile. Gripweed posted:Is that in the comics or something? Nope; the plot of Pacific Rim is that the aliens have been wanting to take over Earth since the time of the dinosaurs, but they can only survive on a hot planet with lots of CO2. The humans nuke the monsters at the end, but those were just symptoms of the actual problem. 1998 satirizes that reactionary logic by making Zilla very innocuous, while everybody is incredibly invested in killing him for no clear reason. What is it that they’re protecting, exactly?
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Sep 1, 2020 04:18
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Gamera vs. Barugon is easily the best showa Gamera for me. It has an interesting human story, a wonderful use of colour and a sense of forward momentum that the others lack. Still prefer Ebirah though.
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Sep 1, 2020 04:19
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oneforthevine posted:Maybe I’m losing my mind, but having watched the first two Gamera films so far, I think I can say both were better than a lot of the Showa-era Godzilla films. Gamera vs. Barugon kicks the poo poo out of Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. Gamera VS Gyaos is a lot of fun- but you notice the quality drop fast. After that Have fun
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Sep 1, 2020 04:38
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Karloff posted:Gamera vs. Barugon is easily the best showa Gamera for me. It has an interesting human story, a wonderful use of colour and a sense of forward momentum that the others lack. Gamera vs. Barugon is interesting, since it feels a lot more like a Godzilla movie compared to the other Gameras. Instead of getting a kid who's got some connection to Gamera, the humans are all morally ambiguous adults engaged in their own plot when, crap, giant monsters. Likewise, Gamera's less heroic than his usual, taking a more Godzilla style role of the lesser evil. Gamera opens the film with destruction, and without a kid to play advocate, there's no clarification if the ending was a hero saving the day, or just payback. Later Gamera films would more and more lock him into a heroic role, so seeing a film in flux like this stands out. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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Sep 1, 2020 08:41
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Nope; the plot of Pacific Rim is that the aliens have been wanting to take over Earth since the time of the dinosaurs, but they can only survive on a hot planet with lots of CO2. The humans nuke the monsters at the end, but those were just symptoms of the actual problem. I don't think the aliens are a symptom of the problem, they're a separate problem that arose because of the first problem. Dealing with global warming wouldn't have stopped the aliens. And stopping the aliens is a good in and of itself, because they destroy cities and kill a lot of people. And dealing with the aliens would probably help people deal with global warming afterwards, because then we wouldn't be busy building a giant wall around the Pacific Ocean. The construction of which must've involved a lot of emissions.
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Sep 1, 2020 11:44
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sure, but on the other hand: the aliens aren't real
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Sep 1, 2020 12:16
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I have a lot of fondness for both Gigan movies, even if the Godzilla suit is visibly disintegrating in the first one. Gigan himself is the best heel tag team member ever.
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Sep 1, 2020 12:16
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ungulateman posted:sure, but on the other hand: the aliens aren't real They are real in the movie.
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Sep 1, 2020 12:25
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Bad opinion time: my friend and I didn't like Destroy All Monsters or Invasion of Astro Monster. Funny enough, our favourite of the old Ghidorah outings was actually the very first.
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Sep 1, 2020 16:51
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Destroy all Monsters is not great, but Invasion of Astro Monster is a classic. That being said, if you don't like Astro Monster, Destroy all Monsters was probably gonna be a lost cause no matter what lol
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Sep 1, 2020 17:05
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I dug Astro Monster but its very much an flying saucer alien invasion movie first and a Godzilla movie second.
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Sep 1, 2020 17:30
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The Golden Gael posted:Bad opinion time: my friend and I didn't like Destroy All Monsters or Invasion of Astro Monster. Funny enough, our favourite of the old Ghidorah outings was actually the very first. If you're not into 60s sci-fi, I can see that. Like HB said, DAM can be rough going but if you weren't even on board for Astro, no chance in hell.
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Sep 1, 2020 17:37
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Godzilla, Japanese Citizen. https://twitter.com/Htop_Gunder/status/1300514990043148289
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Sep 1, 2020 18:07
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Destroy All Monsters definitely coasted some on the everyone-is-here gimmick. Which, for all its flaws, I think Final Wars does a bit better.
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Sep 1, 2020 18:33
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The Bee posted:Destroy All Monsters definitely coasted some on the everyone-is-here gimmick. Which, for all its flaws, I think Final Wars does a bit better. DMA also suffered for me reading about it in books and mentally hyping it to near impossible levels. That was my fault.
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Sep 1, 2020 21:51
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Dawgstar posted:DMA also suffered for me reading about it in books and mentally hyping it to near impossible levels. That was my fault. To be fair on paper DAM sounds like the best goddamn movie ever put to film. Godzilla attacks New York City! Rodan assaults Moscow! Baragon and Gorosaurus double team Paris! these are all five second shots in the movie that get no real screen time at all.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:05
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It also had the video game that I think people like
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Sep 1, 2020 22:20
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Burkion posted:To be fair on paper DAM sounds like the best goddamn movie ever put to film. Maybe that's what inspired the marketing team who designed the posters for Reign of Fire.
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Sep 2, 2020 00:07
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Burkion posted:these are all five second shots in the movie that get no real screen time at all. I would not be surprised if DAM's urban devastation scenes on the one hand, and shots of Akira Kubo firing a laser at the Kilaak control device on the other, clock in at approximately the same total screentime.
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Sep 2, 2020 00:08
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Burkion posted:Where you at my man I've finished off the Millenium series and Heisei eras , I've watched the original Godzilla and Godzilla raids again. I'm stuck basically in the Showa era right now.
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Sep 2, 2020 03:05
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Hollismason posted:I've finished off the Millenium series and Heisei eras , I've watched the original Godzilla and Godzilla raids again. I'm stuck basically in the Showa era right now. If you watched them out of order you might be in for a rough time.
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Sep 2, 2020 04:21
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Hollismason posted:I've finished off the Millenium series and Heisei eras , I've watched the original Godzilla and Godzilla raids again. I'm stuck basically in the Showa era right now. What movie is giving you issues? I can make a short list of the best of the Showa era
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Sep 2, 2020 04:55
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Watch them all and suffer like G did!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LzruO-eUU
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Sep 2, 2020 06:32
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HannibalBarca posted:I would not be surprised if DAM's urban devastation scenes on the one hand, and shots of Akira Kubo firing a laser at the Kilaak control device on the other, clock in at approximately the same total screentime. I feel like that laser scene might be the half the movie. DAM isn’t great, but poo poo that final fight makes up for a lot of it.
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Sep 2, 2020 12:40
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The Art of Godzilla vs Kong book has just moved back to a November release date on Amazon. Its most likely a mistake but the last time it happened it was a sign that the film had been delayed into next year. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if Legendary are unhappy with the film and given everything just decide to release it on VOD at the end of this year. No advertising to speak of out yet, supplier and merchandise contracts to offer and maybe poor tracking?
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Sep 2, 2020 15:52
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Isn’t the film already pushed back to May 2021?
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PriorMarcus posted:The Art of Godzilla vs Kong book has just moved back to a November release date on Amazon. I don't know, covid has delayed everything in a major way and big tentpole movies like Wonder Woman and Black Widow are still on hold and were supposed to be released months ago now and could be delayed again the way things are going. Mulan is the only major movie going the VOD route and I don't think it is a barometer for where the industry is going (yet). The studios don't really want to find out what upending their business model for the last century will do to their bottom line and are going to delay as long as possible. I wouldn't worry about Godzilla vs Kong.
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Even if the movie doesn't keep its May 2021 release date (and I'm about 50/50 on whether or not it will), I would think another bump-back (November 2021 maybe?) is far more likely than shunting it over to VOD. I wouldn't put too much stock in the Amazon book release date.
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