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Everything surrounding Ramsay was dumb as poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2020 22:58
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It's kinda hosed up when you think about the fact that Ramsay had a more interesting arc than many of our heroes.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:07
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Groovelord Neato posted:Everything surrounding Ramsay was dumb as poo poo. remember when Ramsay completely owned Stannis' army with 20 good men because Stannis, a legendary military commander, forgot to post scouts
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Aug 31, 2020 23:26
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nah I just sort of forgot about that
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Aug 31, 2020 23:45
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:nah I just sort of forgot about that gameofthrones.txt seriously though no one in this show knows what a scout is. I watched The Last Kingdom recently and they're always sending scouts out and poo poo
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Aug 31, 2020 23:49
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Pattonesque posted:remember when Ramsay completely owned Stannis' army with 20 good men because Stannis, a legendary military commander, forgot to post scouts They did Stannis incredibly dirty.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:50
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Pattonesque posted:gameofthrones.txt Robb's military reputation hinges entirely on the fact that he understood what scouts were and how pivotal they were to troop deployment and war gaming. In season 1. By mid season 2 (?) the north just doesn't have any scouts that can find a hobbled prisoner and a 7 foot tall woman in plate armor. It should've tipped us all off to how much D&D pick and choose what rules apply and when to suit their narrative.
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Sep 1, 2020 01:45
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Groovelord Neato posted:They did Stannis incredibly dirty. Stannis was backed by the Iron Bank of Braavos and was able to essentially buy an army and all its supplies on credit Ramsay burned all of his food and horses in like 30 seconds
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Sep 1, 2020 02:45
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Pattonesque posted:seriously though no one in this show knows what a scout is. I watched The Last Kingdom recently and they're always sending scouts out and poo poo D&D are incurious and didn't want to learn anything about the Medieval world in their show set in a mostly grounded Medieval fantasy world.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:52
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Mantis42 posted:D&D are incurious and didn't want to learn anything about the Medieval world in their show set in a mostly grounded Medieval fantasy world. it sucks because in The Last Kingdom you usually have opposing armies either both doing smart things and (usually Uhtred's) more clever stratagem winning the day, or you have commanders doing stupid things for explicable, usually emotional reasons (like Cnut charging Uhtred and falling into the hidden pit trap because he thought his sons were dead) Once they got past GRRM's stuff in the show then the battles usually relied on one side being insanely stupid and only winning by some kind of outside force or hail mary
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Sep 1, 2020 02:56
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Victory or defeat also hinged on “not having armies” and “forgetting about navies”
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Sep 1, 2020 10:21
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Remember when thousands of foreign sell swords took all the horses and peaced out of Stannis camp and noone did anything to stop them or even bothered to wake Stan the man up to tell him. Then just disappeared from existence
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Sep 1, 2020 12:16
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banned from Starbucks posted:Remember when thousands of foreign sell swords took all the horses and peaced out of Stannis camp and noone did anything to stop them or even bothered to wake Stan the man up to tell him. Then just disappeared from existence Best writing I ever saw was that episode where someone walks up and tells Stannis that his resources got burned down off-screen. Then the next scene another person walks up and tells him his wife hanged herself off-screen. Then the next scene another person walks up and tells him that Melisandre peaced-out off-screen. Reminded me of the Thick of It.
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Sep 1, 2020 13:01
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Groovelord Neato posted:They did Stannis incredibly dirty. I'm so curious on what the book outline for Stannis is.
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Sep 1, 2020 13:03
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massive spider posted:The problem with Dany's heel turn was that it didn't make any goddamn sense, not that it wasn't foreshadowed. A bad plot point doesn't become good by virtue of being hinted at beforehand. Also after the fact there's just no acknowledgement from Dany that she murdered a city of people, it's just 'well that's mission accomplished, on to the next conquest!' and everyone else stares aghast.
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Sep 1, 2020 13:36
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I am a protector of innocent people  My armies literally consist of the downtrodden that I have personally freedOh no this friend of mine died because Cersei ordered it to happen Better kill a city full of innocent people, for no reason at all except I'm upset, and not even give a poo poo afterwards 
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Sep 1, 2020 13:43
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Stannis was backed by the Iron Bank of Braavos and was able to essentially buy an army and all its supplies on credit The worst part for me was him making a rousing and emotional speech about Shireen being his daughter and then burning her to death two episodes later (because of the 20 good men bullshit).
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Sep 1, 2020 13:52
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Stannis was always obviously going to burn his daughter. Could've done with more work to explain why that turned his army against him though.
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Sep 1, 2020 14:10
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I have a feeling D&D were those kids who when you were playing pretend battle or whatever on the playground always had forcefields or went “nuh uh, i have invincible armor, which actually kills you instead if you otherwise defeat me” 
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Sep 1, 2020 14:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Stannis was always obviously going to burn his daughter. Could've done with more work to explain why that turned his army against him though. Yeah my problem was the incredibly short time between the speech and the burning and the stupid reason it happened.
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Sep 1, 2020 14:37
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it sucks man because it's not that hard to write a battle scene in which both sides are acting rationally or behaving stupidly for reasons that make sense. They almost did it with the Battle of the Bastards -- Jon does a stupid thing in trying to rescue Rickon, but it's his baby brother so I get it. Sansa bringing in a game-changing force of heavy cavalry without telling her brother is pretty stupid though. Like if Sansa just said "Jon I can get the Knights of the Vale here, but they might not arrive before Ramsay forces a battle" that'd make way more sense.
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Sep 1, 2020 14:39
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Pattonesque posted:it sucks man because it's not that hard to write a battle scene in which both sides are acting rationally or behaving stupidly for reasons that make sense. They almost did it with the Battle of the Bastards -- Jon does a stupid thing in trying to rescue Rickon, but it's his baby brother so I get it. Sansa bringing in a game-changing force of heavy cavalry without telling her brother is pretty stupid though. Like if Sansa just said "Jon I can get the Knights of the Vale here, but they might not arrive before Ramsay forces a battle" that'd make way more sense. Ah but it's "cooler" if people can imagine Sansa to be Gandalf riding in with the Rohirrim. Callback to lotr, check, cool set piece, check, please give us a, check (and our what if the south won racist slave show)
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Sep 1, 2020 14:44
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I mean I'll also point out that Jon had lost the battle, then Sansa won them the battle, and then everyone crowned Jon for winning the battle. God the writing got so terrible....
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Sep 1, 2020 14:55
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Sky Shadowing posted:I mean I'll also point out that Jon had lost the battle, then Sansa won them the battle, and then everyone crowned Jon for winning the battle. That happened for the Battle of Winterfell as well, and they actually used it as character motivation showing Dany as an outsider even though she was a hero of the battle herself (kinda). It was juuuuuust about there to make something interesting happen, but fizzled out with the nephew loving becoming the big hurdle instead.
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Sep 1, 2020 16:10
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An insane mind posted:Ah but it's "cooler" if people can imagine Sansa to be Gandalf riding in with the Rohirrim. Callback to lotr, check, cool set piece, check, please give us a, check (and our what if the south won racist slave show) Except that Gondor knew that the Rohirrim were on their way, but they didn't know if they would get there before Mordor forces a battle...
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Sep 1, 2020 17:58
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Groovelord Neato posted:Yeah my problem was the incredibly short time between the speech and the burning and the stupid reason it happened. That's the biggest problem with GoT. It's pretty obvious in what direction the characters will go, but the show spends so little time on getting them there.
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Sep 1, 2020 18:27
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Best writing I ever saw was that episode where someone walks up and tells Stannis that his resources got burned down off-screen. Then the next scene another person walks up and tells him his wife hanged herself off-screen. Then the next scene another person walks up and tells him that Melisandre peaced-out off-screen. Yeah they really spent a lot of time making Stannis a serious player that the main story would eventually have to reckon with and then it all crumbled away off-screen(!) and we got two or three forgettable dialogue scenes explaining it. Just terrific stuff.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv5y2Mqf6wA (The bit where he says 'Game of Thrones')
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Sep 2, 2020 03:02
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The only way to make sense of Dany's heel turn (presumably) from the books if they weren't casting fake Aegon was to have Stannis and Shireen looking triumphant and adored by the populace at the end. Maybe put a strong emphasis on Shireen showing promise as a leader so that there's one female sovereign who doesn't go crazy.
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Sep 2, 2020 03:28
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Step one: Borrow enough from the Iron bank to buy an enormous nation-spanning army, under threat of your enemies being funded if you default Step two: Attack the iron bank with that army Step three:
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Sep 2, 2020 06:57
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Happy Thread posted:Step one: Borrow enough from the Iron bank to buy an enormous nation-spanning army, under threat of your enemies being funded if you default Step 1.5 is you meeting a Faceless Man before your army gets anywhere close to being in a position to threaten the bank.
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Sep 2, 2020 07:33
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Step 1: Be a faceless man Step 2: Attack the iron bank, taking all the money that is still to be lended out. Now purchase an army,
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Sep 2, 2020 08:40
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do you think jon snuh finds happiness beyond the wall?
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Sep 2, 2020 16:24
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Hexel posted:do you think jon snuh finds happiness beyond the wall? I think he comes back as soon as the Unsullied all die of that butterfly disease in Naath
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Sep 2, 2020 16:27
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I was just thinking about this tv show and I remembered that arya got.it.wet
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Sep 2, 2020 16:40
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Good for her though
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Sep 2, 2020 17:06
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Happy Thread posted:Step 1: Be a faceless man I love how any of these merc armies still have credibility. Take money, leave when it snows. Take money, switch sides to get laid. Take money, die immediately 20 sec into the fight.
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Sep 2, 2020 17:19
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banned from Starbucks posted:I love how any of these merc armies still have credibility. Take money, leave when it snows. Take money, switch sides to get laid. Take money, die immediately 20 sec into the fight. That's a basically historically accurate depiction of mercenary companies. The only thing missing is that they all should have tried to extort the Fantasy Pope for legal pardons on their way out the door.
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Sep 2, 2020 17:32
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:That's a basically historically accurate depiction of mercenary companies. It's really not, those dudes were fanatical about maintaining their contracts, they knew having a trustworthy reputation was central to everything. The reason they routinely wind is switching sides is because their employers had switched sides, or their employers were in crazy arrears.
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Bip Roberts posted:I was just thinking about this tv show and I remembered that arya got.it.wet The meltdowns online because she got it wet. The meltdowns online because they got Ed Sheeran to play a little role as a surprise for her.
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