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rjd2 the dyslexic astromech droid
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Sep 1, 2020 14:18
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all of the interesting jobs I’m finding are with startups. am I dumb enough to work for a startup again?
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Sep 1, 2020 22:40
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The Management posted:all of the interesting jobs I’m finding are with startups. am I dumb enough to work for a startup again? Are you a bad enough dude to negotiate a non retractable signing bonus?
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Sep 1, 2020 22:46
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The Management posted:all of the interesting jobs I’m finding are with startups. am I dumb enough to work for a startup again? definitely do it, and also offer to accept pure-equity compensation
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Sep 1, 2020 23:11
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Poopernickel posted:definitely do it, and also offer to accept pure-equity compensation hell yeah. when this thing IPOs I’m going to be rich
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Sep 1, 2020 23:17
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should I quit my job while im in a probation period on the one hand the money is decent and it's covid now, OTOH I have savings and I sortof need to move due to relationship reasons also the code makes my head hurt, it's been written over the last thirty years (no exaggeration, well technically it's ~28) by a single guy and looks the part; I've not seen code before where the average symbol length is less than 3 characters, but it's not great oh and it reimplements the entire C++ standard library in a way that breaks the normal one and there's roughly zero documentation or comments anywhere; there's also copious use of code generation in the build process and half of it runs on custom virtual machines complete with their own instruction sets for each given task; copious multiple inheritance is a given obviously. - that said it's all workable really, just makes everything take a long time
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Sep 2, 2020 00:01
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lol today our new executive team introduced themselves to the rest of the company moving from a founder/ceo org to a brand executive team who wants to grow headcount and revenue 4X in the next 3 years
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Sep 2, 2020 00:02
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If nothing else you should make that other guy quit his job
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Sep 2, 2020 00:02
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Asleep Style posted:If nothing else you should make that other guy quit his job I cant he's CEO
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Sep 2, 2020 00:03
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assuming that comment was for me he's actually a rather nice guy to work with and quite a decent and dedicated person and he only comes in like once every two weeks anymore anyway, and doesn't really mind me changing whatever as long as I don't break things there's another youngish programmer who works there, it's his first job out of school and he's only been there for 2 years Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Sep 2, 2020 00:04
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Private Speech posted:should I quit my job while im in a probation period i mean how bad could it really be- quote:oh and it reimplements the entire C++ standard library in a way that breaks the normal one and there's roughly zero documentation or comments anywhere; there's also copious use of code generation in the build process and half of it runs on custom virtual machines complete with their own instruction sets for each given task; copious multiple inheritance is a given obviously. - that said it's all workable really, just makes everything take a long time ask for a raise and if they don't give it to you quit don't actually quit just look for another job and gtfo of there
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Sep 2, 2020 00:06
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anyway who wants a product manager with a proven track record of success!!!
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Sep 2, 2020 00:07
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Private Speech posted:should I quit my job while im in a probation period what better time to do it? if it's short enough you don't even need to put it on your resume
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Sep 2, 2020 00:10
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PIZZA.BAT posted:don't actually quit just look for another job and gtfo of there yeah that's sort-of what I'm thinking of it sucks though because the people at the company are genuinely very nice, but, well, yeah still have another 10 days to go so we'll see, if I won't have much luck maybe I'll stay well unless I get sacked because I did show SA to the other young dev, but honestly I wouldn't mind massively either way, hence why im posting VVVV eh he's getting married this week and I think he's happy enough really, but yeah hi, and also sorry I guess Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Sep 2, 2020 00:10
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Private Speech posted:well unless I get sacked because I did show SA to the other young dev, but honestly I wouldn't mind massively either way, hence why im posting Hi young dev! Welcome to the forums, I assume you're here reading the interviewing thread and recognizing the obvious description of your workplace!! (also read thread title & follow it, doesn't sound like a good place to stick around long as a first job or really as any job)
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Sep 2, 2020 00:36
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unless the job is especially bad, do not quit until you have a new job.
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Sep 2, 2020 00:47
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yeah the job is fine as far as jobs go, I'm not looking to quit right away but it wouldn't kill me either probably i'm mostly shitposting about things that keep churning in my head right now Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Sep 2, 2020 00:50
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Private Speech posted:should I quit my job while im in a probation period you should talk to your bosses and say that this is an unusual level of disaster and not exactly what you signed up for. they will need to allocate significant time for you to fix things before you can make progress. if they’re receptive to that, hanging around is an option. if they’re not, press “search jobs”
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Sep 2, 2020 01:00
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I think they're mostly aware of that and very accomodating, as long as nothing breaks on the live deployments that is, the trouble is that every program (and there are many) is linked to one central library which makes it difficult to make any fundamental changes the management is really quite open and accomodating as far as these things go, it's more the personal circumstances forcing me to move
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Sep 2, 2020 01:06
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probation period kinda goes both ways go into a meeting with your manager all "hey so we're coming up on the end of your first 6 months with me and while you're all great to work with..."
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Sep 2, 2020 01:27
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when I've heard of people reimplementing the C++ standard library it's been for critical performance reasons rather than vanityThe Management posted:you should talk to your bosses and say that this is an unusual level of disaster and not exactly what you signed up for. they will need to allocate significant time for you to fix things before you can make progress. if they’re receptive to that, hanging around is an option. if they’re not, press “search jobs”
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Sep 2, 2020 01:57
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To be fair, reimplementing standard functions is the sign of a naive programmer To be balanced, the STL can bite the root and C++ is a garbage fire of features that apparently we shouldn't use because "Modern C++" (which is no true scotsman, and different at every company) Cache efficiency? What's that when I can duplicate code over and over again in every compilation unit by #including this one easy header-only library???
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Sep 2, 2020 02:02
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The C++ standard library is absolutely loving horrid and if you held a gun to my head and forced me to write C++ then I'm not gonna lie I'd be tempted I have not had to professionally care about C++ since 2010 and god willing I never will have to again
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Sep 2, 2020 02:02
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and in conclusion folks, Bjarne Stroustrup is Denmark's revenge on the world for losing Iceland in WWII
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Sep 2, 2020 03:29
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stl didn’t exist when the project started lol
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Sep 2, 2020 03:38
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PCjr sidecar posted:stl didn’t exist when the project started lol right that's the main reason it was originally for unix computers with < 1MB of ram, which explains the variable names too it doesn't make it any better to work with though, mainly because of the lack of documentation. stl may be bad but at least you know where it's bad, here it's more like the linux kernel where reading the source code is how you learn how to use it there's some exciting features like a binary tree data structure which calls callback functions on its elements when it's manipulated with, along with the obligatory custom strings, streams and networking; oh and custom threading obviously, which breaks gdb (well more like the other way around, it crashes after you pause any thread b/c it thinks its deadlocked) Private Speech fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Sep 2, 2020 06:48
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either way i think it is to be expected for a system which has been developed in isolation for 30 years to be idiosyncratic, and in my experience it tends to be pretty possible to figure out given a bit of time and patience (to a point where one risks getting stockholm syndrome pretty quick). and as such i think the question of whether there are comments or the length of variable names is mostly a red herring for whether the op wants to stick at this job or not. because whether well documented or not old system maintenance in a presumably pretty stodgy company is not necessarily exciting work.
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Sep 2, 2020 08:36
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that's about where I'm at now, once you get past the unusual parts it's not terrible to work with, still funny enough to post about and there's some new feature development (it's energy infrastructure systems software, so not entirely unexciting on that level either) still probably will try to look for another job, I'll see how it goes
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Sep 2, 2020 10:39
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company rejected the counter offer and reiterated their initial was as high as they could go- however they could offer a $5k signing bonus (which would be 1/3 of what i asked for in additional salary) guess that’s that then
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Sep 2, 2020 17:51
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PIZZA.BAT posted:company rejected the counter offer and reiterated their initial was as high as they could go- however they could offer a $5k signing bonus (which would be 1/3 of what i asked for in additional salary) thanks for playing.
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Sep 2, 2020 20:11
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ngl i'm pretty shocked but i guess it's hr's job to minimize everyone's salary- not understand the actual market for competent workers with specific skillsets. i give it six months until our consulting is billing them 6-7 figs to fix whatever they inevitably gently caress up
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Sep 2, 2020 20:16
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I am now being considered for a third position at a company after going a couple rounds for the first and second both (and a case study). Is this unusual? It feels unusual. It’s been like 2 months now
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Sep 2, 2020 20:44
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Most companies would've stopped talking to you after turning you down for the first position, so it's unusual, but not bad.
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Sep 2, 2020 20:47
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Makeout Patrol posted:what better time to do it? if it's short enough you don't even need to put it on your resume You never have to put any job you've had on your resume!
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Sep 2, 2020 21:19
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ratbert90 posted:You never have to put any job you've had on your resume!
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Sep 2, 2020 21:28
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Steve Jorbs posted:Pruning old jobs was something I learned about during my last search. After accepting an offer they began the background check and requested proof of employment for everything listed. Some of them were stuff like summer internships from 6 years ago for companies that dont exist anymore. Had a good time rummaging through tax documents and making phone calls for lost W2s If any company did that I would straight up decline their offer.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:31
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ratbert90 posted:If any company did that I would straight up decline their offer.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:50
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I've worked at 2 major financial institutions and they didn't have that level of reference checking [although fingerprinting was included]
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Sep 2, 2020 21:51
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BBH does that level of background check, but you're dealing with real sums/state/federal money.
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Sep 2, 2020 21:57
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ratbert90 posted:If any company did that I would straight up decline their offer.
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