Can you give me the book number?
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 04:01 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 18:20 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Can you give me the book number? 37
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 04:02 |
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They go up that far!? I sort of assumed this whole thing would be wrapped up in 20-ish books.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 04:15 |
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Tree Bucket posted:They go up that far!? I sort of assumed this whole thing would be wrapped up in 20-ish books. There's 54 books, plus 4 Megamorphs books, 4 Chronicles books, and 2 Alternamorphs COYA books for a total of 64. This LR has been going on for 6 months and hasn't even broken the 1/5th mark yet.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 04:20 |
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I feel like we're seeing some of Jake's personality coming out in this book. Jake is sort of like a less "physical" Rachel. He has the same sort of "madness" that makes him willing to do violence, but expressed in a different way. He was upset to find out that Yeerks dying = their hosts being killed, but he definitely would have still made the same decision even if he had known. The guy comes off as constantly strained by the fact that, as their leader, he's sort of personally taking on the responsibility for all the Animorph's actions.SirSamVimes posted:I don't mind the trope, it's more a statement about adaptability than intelligence. It does get old when you see it everywhere, but this is one of the early examples of it right? I'm actually not sure when this sort of thing became common and if it was also a sentiment before the 90s. I can understand how a layperson could end up thinking "if we went from not flying to flying, and flying to landing on the moon, in such short amounts of time, clearly this means that traveling to other star systems is just around the corner." In the 90s it had also been a shorter amount of time since those things happened, so there wasn't yet the sense that it was, in fact, entirely possible for no significant improvements to made on that front for the following decades. nine-gear crow posted:There were kind of two inflection points that inextricably set things on the "things only get worse now" path, at least in the United States, and both came after Animorphs, and the 90s were effectively over: George W. Bush becoming POTUS, and 9/11 happening. The series came in for a landing at the perfect moment in history because 9/11 would have just t-boned it irrecoverably. 9/11 didn't just randomly happen out of nowhere, and most of the issues our society has that have become worse over time were inevitable long before it. Domestically most of the bad things happened before 2000 (deregulation, dismantling the welfare state, etc), and the US enthusiastically did war crimes and supported right-wing coups long before our more contemporary war crimes. The sort of optimism in the 90s was also mostly just a thing if you were fortunate enough to be white and middle class. We largely perceive time periods through the lens of their media/culture, so when people think back to the 90s they're mostly thinking of media and culture created by the people who were doing well during that time period.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 05:24 |
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like we're seeing some of Jake's personality coming out in this book. Jake is sort of like a less "physical" Rachel. He has the same sort of "madness" that makes him willing to do violence, but expressed in a different way. He was upset to find out that Yeerks dying = their hosts being killed, but he definitely would have still made the same decision even if he had known. The guy comes off as constantly strained by the fact that, as their leader, he's sort of personally taking on the responsibility for all the Animorph's actions. Also 90-some percent of this forums' userbase were children in the 90s, so they are what the 50s were to the Baby Boomers and the 70s were to Gen X, a golden hued Arcadia decade that didn't actually exist but through the spyglass of childhood nostalgia and incomplete mental data.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 05:38 |
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Specifically with regards to the pace of technology, I think it was fair enough to assume that it was an unalloyed good in the '90s, whereas nowadays we're concerned with the rise of data surveillance (whether by Facebook, the NSA or the Chinese government) and the crumbling of the body politic as extremists and conspiracy theorists can more easily build their echo chambers online. More broadly with regards to a pessimistic time, I feel like the tipping point was around 2014-16, when it became increasingly clear that we really basically weren't going to do anything about climate change and that it was going to be way worse than we'd realised, and fascism/right-wing populism started to perk up again around the world, beginning with Trump and Brexit. If you're a zoomer or a millenial then you've also been grappling with the hollowing out of traditional job security, the gutting of social welfare and the skyrocketing unaffordability of housing, though all of that's been going on for as long as 10-40 years depending on which country you live in. I was born in '88 so I probably look at the '90s with a certain degree of rose-tintedness, but I definitely feel like it's a particularly optimistic decade no matter how old you were: post Cold War, pre 9/11, and global warming was some hazy threat that we had plenty of time to fix. I feel like it's only in the last five years or so that the problems facing the world have begun to feel insoluble.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 06:40 |
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nine-gear crow posted:There's 54 books, plus 4 Megamorphs books, 4 Chronicles books, and 2 Alternamorphs COYA books for a total of 64. This LR has been going on for 6 months and hasn't even broken the 1/5th mark yet. Yep. I'm in this for the long haul. Who knows how many other people will be. We're not doing Alternamorphs, though. They fail as both novels and CYOAs.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 07:12 |
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Epicurius posted:Yep. I'm in this for the long haul. Who knows how many other people will be. I kind of want to experience these just to see the awful.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 07:44 |
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Epicurius posted:Yep. I'm in this for the long haul. Who knows how many other people will be. You could probably get away with running them as a side thread in Let's Play. There's been numerous COYA book LPs before AND someone did a megathread of the Goosebumps COYAs. You could get them out of the way without making GBS threads up this thread with them. Something to consider...
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 08:18 |
Theyre really bad retellings of a couple of the books with bizarre coin-toss decisions like... three times in the whole book. It isn't worth it.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 09:18 |
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like we're seeing some of Jake's personality coming out in this book. Jake is sort of like a less "physical" Rachel. He has the same sort of "madness" that makes him willing to do violence, but expressed in a different way. He was upset to find out that Yeerks dying = their hosts being killed, but he definitely would have still made the same decision even if he had known. The guy comes off as constantly strained by the fact that, as their leader, he's sort of personally taking on the responsibility for all the Animorph's actions. I think it's more that he's upset that this wasn't an unforeseen consequence, that Ax let the rest of them be excited and hopeful that a bunch of Controllers were about to be freed, and now that they've seen the hosts being killed instead, Ax is like, "oh, yeah, that was always going to happen." Jake doesn't mind taking responsibility for their actions so much as he minds not having all the information he could/should have had about the consequences.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 12:02 |
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nine-gear crow posted:You could probably get away with running them as a side thread in Let's Play. There's been numerous COYA book LPs before AND someone did a megathread of the Goosebumps COYAs. I know I could. I just actively don't want to. I've seen and even participated in some of the CYOA book LPs, including the Goosebumps ones. The problem with the Animorph ones are, first, the stories aren't new. They're retellings of existing stories, just with you as an additional Animorph, and secondly, they're not really CYOAs. Here's an example. So the first part of the first story is a retelling of the first book. You're off-road cycling in the abandoned construction site, where you see Jake, Rachel, Cassie, Marco, and Tobias. Then Elfangor's ship crashes, and since you're around, you go talk to him too. You get morphing powers, Visser Three and the Yeerks show up, Elfangor gets eaten, the Hork Bajir show up, and you run away from them. Then the next chapter, you wake up, its your sister's birthday, there's going to be a party, and your mom makes you babysit your sister while she goes and gets a cake. Marco shows up, catches you up on the whole plot, you decide you want to see if your mom is a Controller, so you decide you're going to morph and go to your sister's birthday party. You can go as a fly, a hamster, or your neighbor's pet ferret. If you pick fly, you try to land on the birthday cake during the party, your mom tries to swat you, and you fly into the bug zapper and die. Game ovet. You pick hamster, it turns out your neighbor with the ferret also has a cat, and it eats you. Game over. You pick ferret, you find out your neighbor is a Controller, and you get trapped in her car until Cassie rescues you. The whole thing with the infiltrating the controllers at the beach is discussed in a paragraph, then you all go to the Gardens to get better morphs. You get a hyena and giraffe morph, and then get arrested by the police. You have to get away. You can become a hyena, a police dog, or a giraffe. If you pick hyena, you get away, almost eat a kid, get hit by a tranquilizer gun and have to deal with the fact you're going to be stuck as a hyena forever. Game over. If you pick giraffe, you get away from the cops, and then get in the lion enclosure and they eat you. Game over. You pick police dog, you get away from the cops, find out the cops are controllers and they captured Cassie, then you go to the pool and the thing continues.... For a choose your own adventure, it's a really linear story, and the choices lack a lot of purpose. It's guess the wrong choice and die. Guess the right choice and continue the story (which, again, is just a summary of a story that's already been told elsewhere and better). Your character is never really given a strong voice or personality, (In the first book, you like bikes, live with your mom and little sister, and sort of know Marco, and that's all the backstory you get), and so it's not interesting that way. There just isn't a lot to recommend it.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 12:16 |
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disaster pastor posted:I think it's more that he's upset that this wasn't an unforeseen consequence, that Ax let the rest of them be excited and hopeful that a bunch of Controllers were about to be freed, and now that they've seen the hosts being killed instead, Ax is like, "oh, yeah, that was always going to happen." Jake doesn't mind taking responsibility for their actions so much as he minds not having all the information he could/should have had about the consequences. That, plus his realization that Ax cares more about Yeerks dying than humans living, including Tom living. His comments to Ax suggest that Ax doesn't know humans well enough if he thinks that the fact that all the newly free hosts would be killed by the Yeerks, or that Tom might be one of those hosts, would stop Jake from doing what he did, but I think Jake is lying, and I think Ax knows Jake is lying.
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 12:24 |
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Epicurius posted:So the first part of the first story is a retelling of the first book. You're off-road cycling in the abandoned construction site, where you see Jake, Rachel, Cassie, Marco, and Tobias. "Yo yo! How's it hanging everybody!" "Morning, Roy!" "Yeah, hi, Roy."
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 14:37 |
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freebooter posted:"Yo yo! How's it hanging everybody!" Exactly. Here's how you know them, from the story: quote:Out of the corner of your eye, you see some dark forms moving. You stop your bike, a little nervous. You think it could be a band of homeless men who live there. But then you recognize kids from school, kids you know. Jake, Marco, Cassie, Rachel, and Tobias. You don’t know them that well, except maybe Marco. He sits next to you in science and makes jokes under his breath all during class. Thanks to him, you’re barely breaking a C. Our protagonist, everybody!
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 14:44 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I can't wait for the next chapter. This is me every day
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# ? Sep 2, 2020 19:12 |
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The Alien-Chapter 9\ Humans have very odd tastes. They think their music is beautiful. They are wrong. It is awful. All of it. And they completely ignore their greatest accomplishments: the cinnamon bun, the Snickers bar, the hot pepper, and the refreshing beverage called vinegar. - From the Earth Diary of Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill quote:Being in Prince Jake's body is no different from being in my regular human morph. Except that it is slightly larger. Since the morph was formed from his DNA, I looked exactly like him. Cassie insisted I borrow a garment called "overalls" and a pair of boots from her barn before entering her home. Humans are very particular about clothing. I still do not understand why. My favorite part here is his point that Cassie's father has the usual number of legs and arms. quote:"No," I said. "She asked me to eat your food. Food. Ood-duh." Good point. quote:"So how is school, Jake?" Cassie's mother asked. I just wanted to say, i loved that chapter. Chapter 10 "E.T. phone home." When I found that sentence in Cassie's book of human quotes, it surprised me. To be honest, it almost scared me. It was as if it were written just for me. I thought maybe, somehow, my human friends had discovered my plan and written it there. -From the Earth Diary of Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill quote:The sun was just coming up over planet Earth. Little sore spot, there, I guess, quote:<Oh. You ready to fly?> I think we can all agree that the real hero of this series is thermals. quote:I could see Cassie's farm now. And as I circled to use the updraft for more altitude, I could see all the familiar landmarks: the homes of the others. The mall. The school. I think some people have wondered in the past why the Animorphs don't do more of the morph until 2 hours is almost up, then demorph and morph back again, and I think this is a large portion of why. Both here and as we've seen in the past, morphing is exhausting, especially making multiple morphs in a short time. quote:I began the demorphing. I could only hope that Tobias would be able to give me enough warning. He got through!
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 00:14 |
Cassie's dad rules and I want to try the chili of doom
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 00:31 |
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disaster pastor posted:I think it's more that he's upset that this wasn't an unforeseen consequence, that Ax let the rest of them be excited and hopeful that a bunch of Controllers were about to be freed, and now that they've seen the hosts being killed instead, Ax is like, "oh, yeah, that was always going to happen." Jake doesn't mind taking responsibility for their actions so much as he minds not having all the information he could/should have had about the consequences. Yeah, I'm not talking about that (the attitude of the Animorphs in general regarding this makes perfect sense), but more stuff like his reckless behavior with the teacher. Also just subjective elements of the way he thinks/says things. That being said, probably the most relevant thing like this so far is the part where Jake decides to boil those Yeerks alive. That aside, the whole "people who are exposed are instantly murdered by the Yeerks" thing is actually really dark and presents some genuine moral "weight" that is pretty uncommon in stories like this.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 00:36 |
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I really like every scene with Cassie's parents, just such a nice wholesome family.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 00:41 |
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Epicurius posted:
No such thing as nearsighted/farsighted Andalites, I guess. Or they correct vision some other way? Epicurius posted:I just wanted to say, i loved that chapter. It's fantastic and it does a great job of putting us in Ax's head. I don't think Ax would be nearly as beloved if his first book weren't so very good. Epicurius posted:
This is just excellent. Ax is the "other" of the group, the smart outsider who usually has no motivation beyond helping, but here he makes it clear that he really does want to be a great hero and he's willing to do stupid things to try to make it happen, and he knows they're stupid and he's ashamed of them, but he sees no point in concealing it. Epicurius posted:
Awwwwwww.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 00:56 |
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This book is just such an excellent introduction into what Ax is really all about
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 01:29 |
quote:The Alien-Chapter 9 As cliche as this kind of framing device is, I really love some of these chapter headers. I'm a book or two ahead and definitely took screenshots of a few of these while reading this one because they really are charming.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 01:40 |
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A great couple of chapters. Especially "the usual number of arms and legs" and the "beverage called vinegar."
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 01:49 |
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Epicurius posted:The Alien-Chapter 9\
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 02:40 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:I found this kind of odd, since In The Andelite Chronicles, Elfangor chills out listening to The Rolling Stones The books cannot stress enough that elfangor is the cooler brother
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 02:51 |
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"All human music is garbage" is inexplicably hilarious to me.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 02:56 |
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Terror Sweat posted:The books cannot stress enough that elfangor is the cooler brother For a dude who never paid attention in class because he was too busy thinking about girls, Ax is a huge nerd. For god's sake he decided that the best thing he could do was to write a reference book about Earth.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 02:56 |
Terror Sweat posted:The books cannot stress enough that elfangor is the cooler brother They come pretty close in the Andalite Chronicles. Elfangor was the balls.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 03:00 |
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I didn't think Elfangor liked the music either, he did like the Dr. Pepper though.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 03:18 |
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Piell posted:For a dude who never paid attention in class because he was too busy thinking about girls, Ax is a huge nerd. For god's sake he decided that the best thing he could do was to write a reference book about Earth. I mean, I'm a huge nerd who never paid attention in class, so..... Plus, I think he figures he's never going to be as good a warrior as his brother, so he might as well be the Andalite who knows everything about humans.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 03:59 |
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Interesting that Ax points out that all human fathers are male, as if that's not the case with Andalite's. That's a nice little throwaway line. While the queer subtext is there, the books are still usually very 90's in that regard. I love, love, love this book. Ax is the best! There's a lot of tonal whiplash, but that really works in getting across just how confusing everything is for him, being stranded on an alien planet.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 05:53 |
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SirSamVimes posted:Note: most of what we talk about will be how much Ax rules.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 06:34 |
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How does this marooned deerscorpion samurai manage to be so drat relatable?
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 07:20 |
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Epicurius posted:That, plus his realization that Ax cares more about Yeerks dying than humans living, including Tom living. His comments to Ax suggest that Ax doesn't know humans well enough if he thinks that the fact that all the newly free hosts would be killed by the Yeerks, or that Tom might be one of those hosts, would stop Jake from doing what he did, but I think Jake is lying, and I think Ax knows Jake is lying. That's my take on it. There's no way Jake would have agreed to the plan if Ax had said "Oh, by the way, the Yeerks will execute Tom before they let him be freed", and Ax knows it. He'd have come up with some excuse against it and Cassie and Marco would have gone with it. Though, I don't know that I'd say "Ax cares more about Yeerks dying than humans living". The feeling I get is more that Ax is more familiar with Yeerks and so he's already written the hosts off as casualties of war. It's not that he doesn't care about saving humans, it's that he knows those humans can't be saved.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 07:56 |
Honestly, I have to disagree about Jake. I think he would have done it. It would have haunted him for the rest of his life, but he wouldn't have backed down. That's probably the first time you see the changes the war eventually bring out in him.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 08:04 |
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This is a couple chapters back, but I didn't mind the trope of "humans advance faster than everyone else". What I thought was really refreshing was the whole "oh, all aliens war among themselves, Andalites included". Usually other species are peaceful and wise and gasp! how could you fight against your own people! what monsters you humans are!, so it was nice to see that seems to be a normal part of being a sentient species. Also Ax rules.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 17:09 |
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Yeah, this book is pretty good. I'm curious, do they ever go into Andalite family naming conventions? I notice both Ax and his brother have a shared name with one parent each.
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# ? Sep 3, 2020 17:30 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 18:20 |
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The Alien-Chapter 11quote:<Earth!> So Ax is sort of the sacrifical lamb now. The Andalite authorities are scapegoating him to protect the memory of his brother. quote:<But. . .> I knew I should shut up. But part of me was getting angry. <But the Hork-Bajir ended up losing everything.> This is a lot of pressure to put on a kid. Just saying.... quote:<I am so relieved to see that you are still well,> my father said. That's kind of interesting...the Yeerk's first instinct when asked his name is to give his host's name. I don't know what that means, but it probably means something. quote:He nodded. "All right. My name is Eslin three-five-nine. And you are Aximili, a young Andalite warrior-cadet. Brother of Beast Elfangor. You see, I heard the last few minutes of your touching conversation." So an Andalite, a Yeerk, and a hawk walk into an observatory... First, that's one very good object lesson as to why you don't treat your subordinates like crap. Also, this is an interesting sort of teamup, and sort of goes against what Jake said in The Capture about how Yeerks don't have friendships or care for each other. But it's possible that Tom's Yeerk was just particularly sociopathic. I'm also a sucker for stories about enemies teaming up to take out a common enemy. Chapter 12 It is very difficult to be in human morph and remember that you are not one of them. That their pain is not your pain. It is hard to remain apart. Sometimes very hard. - From the Earth Diary of Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill quote:That same evening, Prince Jake called a meeting in Cassie's barn. Yep, this is a trap. Ax is walking into all of them in this book.... quote:"I'm fine," I answered. This whole thing is just so damned sad. It's, you know, what he wants to do vs what he feels like he has to do.
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# ? Sep 4, 2020 00:31 |