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W.T. Fits posted:Speaking as someone who grew up speaking English as my native tongue, this is all an absolutely fair and correct assessment.
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im into some pretty obscure languages; youve probably never heard of them
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Princess and 10VG being instant friends is the highlight of this page for me.
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Sep 2, 2020 01:10
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Square Angel absolutely kills me as a nickname
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Mr. Lobe posted:What's a good language Culture Marain Universal Metaconstant other fictional sublime languages etc.
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Zero_Tactility posted:I could have sworn it was Pratchett (it's got that bite that a lot of his writing does), but apparently it was James Nicoll. I sit corrected. It's late, I can't be bothered to stand.
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Sep 2, 2020 01:31
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W.T. Fits posted:Speaking as someone who grew up speaking English as my native tongue, this is all an absolutely fair and correct assessment. I object to this, because English doesn't steal grammar, it steals vocabulary (which the original quote gets correct). If anything modern English is simpler than Old English because it was butchered by various waves of invaders. No one needs to know whether or not a table has testicles or a vagina.
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I imagine princess is going to give up learning that move once 10VG goes into all the slow tedious energy-conserving you have to do to build up that attack.
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A.o.D. posted:I object to this, because English doesn't steal grammar, it steals vocabulary (which the original quote gets correct). If anything modern English is simpler than Old English because it was butchered by various waves of invaders. I get your meaning but you uh might want to edit that
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Benagain posted:There are no good languages, because a good language would be easy to learn and understand. It would promote concepts of harmony and understanding and bless the tongues of those who spoke it with care and precision. Strong disagree. All languages are good, because the problem of the universe is excessive order, quiet, and stagnation. Chaos in a language is the accelerant of creativity, and the tension between our desire to be understood with the energy it takes to be understood forges bonds between us far stronger than we would have without that friction, tension, heat.
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Mr. Lobe posted:What's a good language Finnish  it is not
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Finnish
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Sep 2, 2020 03:17
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Perkele.
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Brought To You By posted:See, I didn't read it that way because up until Allison and White Chain start talking there isn't any indication Allison has been conscious between her landing in the fight white chain was in, and when she wakes up in White Chain's apartment. I figured the "3 turns" refers to the time since Allison woke. On top of that White Chain in this new page doesn't even seem to register that Allison is speaking the same language she would have heard Allision speaking in the first chapter. The comic switches from Allison's perspective (where she's speaking English and everybody else in Throne is unintelligible) on 1-12 to White Chain's perspective (where everybody is speaking Universal Metaconstant) on 1-13.
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I just figured Angels had an implicit understanding of the languages of creation and Allison was the only one who needed a translator.
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A.o.D. posted:No one needs to know whether or not a table has testicles or a vagina. you don't know my life
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A.o.D. posted:I object to this, because English doesn't steal grammar, it steals vocabulary (which the original quote gets correct). If anything modern English is simpler than Old English because it was butchered by various waves of invaders.
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Oh, I'm also looking forward to seeing how Lord Intra manages to turn the rock into air in the next verse of the Song of Maybe.
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Throws it at Yem Yeddo's head so hard that it atomizes both the rock and Yem Yeddo's head.
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standard.deviant posted:Is pluralization grammar? I’ve seen too many fights about proper pluralization in English that came down to “the word is from Greek so you use the Greek pluralization” to let that go by. The actual weirdest piece of English stuff I can think of is verb conjugation, for example take present tense of 'to run' I run You run They run We run She runs The third person singular present has its own unique case, which is pretty odd given how uniform the rest is. AFAIK this, like the weird ways that English uses "do" e.g. "I do run" are both results of the Germanic and Celtic languages awkwardly colliding during the formative years of Old English.
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Tagichatn posted:Perkele. You can't upvote posts but you can empty quote them. Hail Satan.
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habeasdorkus posted:It's not so much that English is impossible to learn, it's just tougher than Germanic or Romance languages due to the influence of both. Also, it depends on what you're starting with - a native Francophone would very likely find it much easier to learn English than Korean, for instance. Meanwhile someone from Beijing would almost certainly find learning Cantonese much easier than learning English or any European language. Also Cantonese and Mandarin are distinct languages only because they're not mutually intelligible at all, but so long as you can read traditional Chinese the content of the language in the form of individual words and grammar and syntax are identical outside of stuff like local idioms and phrases.
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Tulip posted:The actual weirdest piece of English stuff I can think of is verb conjugation, for example take present tense of 'to run' ill counter with the word "fly" its a bug its a part of a pair of pants its the present form of a verb meaning "traveling through the air"
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Tulip posted:The actual weirdest piece of English stuff I can think of is verb conjugation, for example take present tense of 'to run' English also does weird things with verb tenses. Past tense is fine, but future tense just adds extra words as modifiers. I will run. I'm going to run. If it was like a romance language it would be like... I runera?
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Crossposting from cspam pics thread cause it seems pretty germane https://i.imgur.com/YITOSS4.mp4
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Zaid asking if Allison is okay first thing is a promising start.
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Xand_Man posted:Crossposting from cspam pics thread cause it seems pretty germane Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
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That example is dumb because nobody has ever used buffalo as a verb I will die on this hill
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Brought To You By posted:See, I didn't read it that way because up until Allison and White Chain start talking there isn't any indication Allison has been conscious between her landing in the fight white chain was in, and when she wakes up in White Chain's apartment. I figured the "3 turns" refers to the time since Allison woke.  She says "I've been feeding you a little liquor for three turns", not "I fed you a little liquor three turns ago". The use of a continuous tense implies a continuous action. Therefore, she gave devil liquor to Allison several times.That said, maybe as an angel she understands all languages, but not sure that extends to speaking all of them. Regardless of her reasons, she found out that Allison didn't speak ascended speech and decided to feed her devil liquor to fix that. paranoid randroid posted:im into some pretty obscure languages; youve probably never heard of them A.o.D. posted:No one needs to know whether or not a table has testicles or a vagina. habeasdorkus posted:It's not so much that English is impossible to learn, it's just tougher than Germanic or Romance languages due to the influence of both. Also, it depends on what you're starting with - a native Francophone would very likely find it much easier to learn English than Korean, for instance. Meanwhile someone from Beijing would almost certainly find learning Cantonese much easier than learning English or any European language. For a Francophone, English has a relatively easy to learn vocabulary since a lot of English words are just French words with a few vowels removed and a few consonants added (e.g. jugement -> judgment, well why not); the challenge comes from understanding spoken English because it's really hard to map English sounds to English letters when you're not used to stressed words and the complete lack of identifiable pattern when matching graphemes to phonemes. Rough cough plough through tough borough. What?
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Mr. Lobe posted:What's a good language If Cell is the Ultimate Fighter because he can absorb other fighters and copy their abilities, then logically English is the ultimate language on account of all the languages it's robbed, absorbed, and mangled.
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That was a lovely update and reunion. I can't wait for the bad news hammer to drop and ruin the moment after another page or two. Mostly because I'm dead inside but also because it feels "too nice" or something I find hard to quantify.
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We're about to learn that Zaid has become a gamer
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Fister Roboto posted:English also does weird things with verb tenses. Past tense is fine, but future tense just adds extra words as modifiers. I will run. I'm going to run. If it was like a romance language it would be like... I runera?
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Cat Mattress posted:For a Francophone, English has a relatively easy to learn vocabulary since a lot of English words are just French words with a few vowels removed and a few consonants added (e.g. jugement -> judgment, well why not); the challenge comes from understanding spoken English because it's really hard to map English sounds to English letters when you're not used to stressed words and the complete lack of identifiable pattern when matching graphemes to phonemes. Rough cough plough through tough borough. What? The real secret to English is when we say we have five vowels we are practicing the universal art.
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ThaumPenguin posted:We're about to learn that Zaid has become a gamer Impossible. Dave would never allow such degeneracy in the very heart of the Celestial Empire.
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Straight White Shark posted:Impossible. Dave would never allow such degeneracy in the very heart of the Celestial Empire. Gaming exists in Rayuba but aimbotting, wallhacking, ragequitting, and smurfing are all punishable by death
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Cat Mattress posted:
Yeah, where to put the emphasis in a word is really the tricky part. That's where the patchwork vocabulary comes into play, sometimes the pronunciation is the same as the original language, sometimes it's how it was two hundred years ago, sometimes it's just different because it shifted over time. It's a hidden thing that most native speakers couldn't explain clearly if you get it wrong, it just doesn't quite sound right. Same with the secret rules about adjective order: A "silver shiny small knife" sounds like gibberish, but a "small shiny silver knife" is perfectly coherent.
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CitizenKeen posted:Might as well post a link to The Chaos, that poem about English pronunciation and how it's awful. "Better" is certainly a word you could use.
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