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gradenko_2000 posted:I'll cop to a bad take, and sure, I'll also acknowledge that Syria being in the condition it was, was a result of Western hegemony. Admittedly, Assad was the one that went with liberalization (even if the West didn't mind), and his brutality wasn't necessarily only because of the West. It is one of those times when no one looks particularly good (even the Kurds did some ethnic cleansing of their own.)
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as a us citizen, i will blindly support assad because in every objective sense, saddam was way worse. 1 million killed, using chemical weapons as typical battlefield tactics, torturing and murdering enemies, gently caress go read a book on him. despite that, western interference left the entire region, along with select portions of my community, worse than if he had stayed in power. i had friends come back with tbis and ptsd and watched the rise of isis directly caused by debaathification, so I looked at the rest of history and see one overpowering trend; opposing whatever the us wants is usually right. this is wildly simplistic and as al-saqr will probably point out, leaves me cheerleading the death of innocent people who don’t want to live under a brutal, murderous autocracy. nevertheless, in any english speaking community im going to side with the heuristic that’s been right 99% of the time. even in the best case, supporting protestors and revolutionaries with the most just of causes will be used by the western security apparatus as carte blanc to appropriate the cause and tilt it towards the most brutal reactionaries.
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Whatever. What's done is done. Foreign-Backed Fascism has won in the arab world and is unlikely to break anytime soon. Everyone who hoped for a better future in the arab world is either dead, in prison or fled or silenced into submission. It's unlikely I'll ever get to see freedom in my lifetime. All I can do is live how I can as best I can and hope Whatever disaster hits next doesnt land on me. I dont care anymore about these silly 'who's better off under who' type hypothetical arguments anymore.
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in other news, a disturbing spate of assasinations has been hitting Iraqi Civil Society activists in Basra, no doubt they are being targeted by the Iranian-Backed Militias:- https://twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/1296143819256324097?s=20
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Al-Saqr posted:Whatever. What's done is done. Foreign-Backed Fascism has won in the arab world and is unlikely to break anytime soon. Everyone who hoped for a better future in the arab world is either dead, in prison or fled or silenced into submission. It's unlikely I'll ever get to see freedom in my lifetime. All I can do is live how I can as best I can and hope Whatever disaster hits next doesnt land on me. I dont care anymore about these silly 'who's better off under who' type hypothetical arguments anymore. It sure is a shame Al Nusra wasn't able to defeat the Syrian govt, or that Turkey didn't actively attempt to conquer all of Syria like you were cheerleading for back in the day. Also just lol at "foreign backed fascism".
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I think it's valid to morally judge governments as if their moral duty were to lay down their arms and work to cultivate the best possible replacement for them. As of now, they love producing messed up catch-22s by destroying the most promising opposition first and then pointing out that they're the best option available. It wouldn't have mattered if good opposition was militarily weak if Assad's government had actively protected them from the terrorist opposition, right? None of it is realistic, but realism can be the enemy of righteous principles. The fact is that the government held the power to create a far nicer system while still preserving stability if it had chosen to. It's correct to blame it for making all the available options terrible.
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uncop posted:I think it's valid to morally judge governments as if their moral duty were to lay down their arms and work to cultivate the best possible replacement for them. As of now, they love producing messed up catch-22s by destroying the most promising opposition first and then pointing out that they're the best option available. It wouldn't have mattered if good opposition was militarily weak if Assad's government had actively protected them from the terrorist opposition, right? Are you talking about Assad or Biden?
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Stringent posted:Are you talking about Assad or Biden? If we despise Biden for having played an analogous role and consider that the morally principled thing to do, doesn't it just reinforce my point?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:wonder who put the junior officers up for it... https://twitter.com/JonathanHolslag/status/1296064635657949185 https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1296796795465617409
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Aug 22, 2020 02:52
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PROXY WAR PROXY WAR
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I see no way this will spin out of control and gently caress over everyone involved, plus a shitload of innocent civilians. Everything will be fine 
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what would *rUsSiA* have at stake here?
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:what would *rUsSiA* have at stake here? Probably just clickbait from the media. I doubt this is some Russia proxy play. Washington Post notes in this article that many members of the Malian military foreign military training. The leader of the coup d'état, Col. Assimi Goita, has received training from US, France, and German militaries. The leader of the last coup d'état in 2012 also underwent US training. Mali coup leader was trained by U.S. military quote:DAKAR, Senegal — The military officer who declared himself in charge of Mali after leading a coup that ousted the West African nation's president this week received training from the United States, the Pentagon said Friday.
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has the Saudi adventure in Yemen done a good job of humiliating that nation of failsons? is it still a bloated overpaid military doing war crimes, where officers never face consequences?
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This is a random Facebook video, but it reports to be of a pro-coup/anti-imperialist demo in Mali, and they are waving some Russian flags. https://www.facebook.com/tony.busselen/posts/10223952024893062
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Aug 22, 2020 21:08
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Darkman Fanpage posted:
lmfao
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They are very well trained
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Darkman Fanpage posted:
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Aug 22, 2020 21:27
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poo poo I missed the bapping
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Darkman Fanpage posted:
globalism win
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https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1297886031497302024?s=20 New job opening if you are passionate about justifying NATO interventions
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You mean passionate about training and overseeing people justifying NATO interventions. It sounds like a position tailor-made for an actual spook who would like to cultivate a front org.
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1297886031497302024?s=20 doesn’t even list a salary offer, fuckin’ nerds lol
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Aug 25, 2020 18:36
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how many dnd posts are required for this position
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https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1298369288722501632?p=v hey uh if sudan is transitioning to being a democracy and this is such a big deal shouldnt you know the democratically elected government be the one negotiating this deal and not the military
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1298624477014765572?s=20 Some US soldiers injured when US and Russian patrols collided after US forces tried to block the Russians from moving along the road. Erdogan: Turkey will make no concessions in eastern Mediterranean quote:"We don't have our eye on someone else's territory, sovereignty and interests, but we will make no concessions on that which is ours," Erdogan said, urging Greece to "avoid wrongs that will be the path to ruin". quote:Al Jazeera's Sinem Koseoglu, reporting from Istanbul, said Turkey had called Greece "a spoiled child that has unconditional support from the European Union", and had also stressed the importance of why honest mediation is necessary for dialogue. Escalating rhetoric from President Erdogan over the Aegean Sea. edit: Turkey's Erdogan, Trump discuss Mediterranean tension on phone Wish I could hear this conversation OhFunny has issued a correction as of 23:04 on Aug 26, 2020 |
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Aug 26, 2020 20:55
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wtf https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1299065051186425858
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I kinda wanted to visit beirut this year but uh, I guess not right now.
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https://twitter.com/_will_brown/status/1299954362261921792?s=21 Saudi Arabia is the most anti black and anti Muslim country on earth, my trip to hadj soured me more than any travelling I’ve done in my life
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And still not the worst thing that the Saudi's regularly do to young black men. Although as a neo-ghilman I guess the opportunity for escape is higher. fake edit: https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1300156429295206400 I half expect this to turn out to be a move towards MegaSlavery(tm) but hopefully theres something to feel slightly less bad about.
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The slaves buried in the foundations of their World Cup stadium are cautiously optimistic hearing this news
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A phrase I heard once that I think about often is, "if it wasn't won through struggle, don't trust it".
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 shameless OC repost: Saddam Hussein is known as one of the most brutal and cold dictators ever to walk the earth. He is attributed to the gassing death of 50,000-182,00 kurds and 25,000-100,000 civilians during protests and uprisings against his rule in the 90's. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands that died with his wars with Iran and invasion of Kuwait. We all should know and remember how this man fell, but do you know his rise? https://i.imgur.com/QjQiCrm.mp4 Sorry for the potato quality GIF's. This is hard to find film from the era. 1979, the new leader of the ruling Ba'ath party (Saddam) has called an unannounced meeting of the party. Everyone is apprehensive.... https://i.imgur.com/Siturzz.mp4 Saddam takes the stage. He claims there has been a plot uncovered to overthrow the ruling government of Iraq and some of the conspirators were in the very same room they are in now. He then calls a senior party member, Abdel-Hussein to the podium. Something is clearly wrong, he seems broken,shaken, clearly nervous and stuttering. History now know's Abdel was put through days of physical torture, and his entire family was under threat of execution. Abdel claims that he was part of the plot, and begins to start naming off names. Secret police move in and removes the first man. https://i.imgur.com/BxbCzRO.mp4 More names keep rolling, the atmosphere becomes incredibly tense. Saddam is just sitting there, smoking a Cuban cigar given to him by his friend Fidel Castro and observing the secret police remove each man named. https://i.imgur.com/OaUN1qQ.mp4 Everyone is waiting for their name to be the next called. Saddam starts to laugh, his absolute power starts to become apparent and he is clearly amused. https://i.imgur.com/Xcq3xwC.mp4 Panic starts to takeover. Party members start to rise up, shouting praise on Saddam and loyalty to him and the party. Even after their name was called, they shout praise and loyalty to Saddam in hopes that their lives get spared. https://i.imgur.com/7H9S6C0.mp4 The Room erupts in long live Saddam! When it is all said and done, 68 "conspirators" were named. What does Saddam do? Something not even Stalin, Castro, or any other tyrannical dictator in the 19th or 20th century thought of, He made the remaining members, conspirators in his takeover! He roundup the remaining party members(under heavy police presence), brings them in a courtyard, puts a gun in each of their hands and has them shoot most of the "conspirators" who's names were called. Making them accessories in his plot and forever scaring the party with fear. They forever remembered that day... the 1979 Ba'ath Party Purge, and had to think twice about sharing a thought of opposition to Saddam. This was broadcast live on Iraqi television so its citizens understood who ruled. After this, Saddam Hussein had absolute power, gained through ingenious and sadistic terror and fear. And yes, the US has a long complicated, flawed history in Iraq. Both Destructive and beneficial. At one point, we even backed this mad man...
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dang, the US backed a mad man? shocking also Hezbollah and Macron apparently reached a deal, which is how Lebanon got a new PM. The US isn't on board though. https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1300784613091151875?s=20 https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1301179444510576645?s=20
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Well given the laws of the universe for the first time ever the US position is probably the right one, because Frances foreign policy is always incredibly awful
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https://twitter.com/StephanieCarvin/status/1301318392918482946?s=19
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