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I’m often conflicted about possible Superman futures, especially any one that’s sad or has him retire. Feels weird to have anything less than All Star/DC:One Million flying into the sun and living there for thousands of years and being immortal. Maybe the DCAU Supes could still have that.
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He does already have the black shirt with the silver S when he gets taken over. He may have only been possessed by Starro for a few years. Maybe it was mostly spent with Starro establishing control or something.
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Aug 31, 2020 00:56
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Skwirl posted:Probably the biggest inconsistency from JLU and Batman Beyond is when Superman says Bruce Wayne was only ever a part timer. Batman was missing from Justice League episodes with no explanation all the time. Especially the wackier sci-fi episodes, because Batman can't into space.
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Aug 31, 2020 02:57
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Justice League rotated characters all the time. None of the characters were in every episode.
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Aug 31, 2020 04:19
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Nanigans posted:Justice League rotated characters all the time. None of the characters were in every episode. Yeah, there's a bunch of episodes without Superman making an appearance. Batman was part of the founding council and had like full veto power on league decisions and poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2020 06:56
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Skwirl posted:Probably the biggest inconsistency from JLU and Batman Beyond is when Superman says Bruce Wayne was only ever a part timer. I seem to remember they at least joked about it and also it was the reason Batman didn't turn himself in with the rest of the founding members and instead went to pay Waller a visit.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:24
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TheKingofSprings posted:I seem to remember they at least joked about it and also it was the reason Batman didn't turn himself in with the rest of the founding members and instead went to pay Waller a visit. In the first episode he says something like "I'm not much of a team player so I'm not joining, but call when you need me and I'll come." Although he also paid for the space station, so I don't know. I remember being excited at the time because it was a continuity nod to what I remembered from Batman Beyond.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:29
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Man, Bruce must pull some amazing financial finagling to get his shareholders or whoever to not notice the billions upon billions it must cost to build the Watchtower and all of the Javelin planes, let alone the loving insane teleportation technology they use.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:40
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I mean if they eliminate the costs of transport tonspace and labour using superman GL and martian manhunter it probably would be much less?
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Aug 31, 2020 19:49
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Hmm, that's true. But then, you gotta take into account all of the support staff that works there by the time of JLU. Those people all gotta be pulling in at least six figures for the amount of expertise and clearance you'd require to keep something like that up and running. I bet even the custodial staff is the creme de la creme.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:53
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Bruce has a musk-esque space transport company that he makes billions on. It's superman flying things into orbit in his spare time, pure profit.
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Aug 31, 2020 21:59
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Also never forget that the JL has a guy (and depending on who's writing, numerous people) who can crush coal into diamonds in their hands
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Aug 31, 2020 22:51
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It’s kind of bullshit that superman has to worry about money and pay rent when you think about it. I’d live rent-free in that satellite and I bet a bunch of heroes would, given how many of them have bullshit jobs.
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Aug 31, 2020 22:53
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It’s kind of bullshit that superman has to worry about money and pay rent when you think about it. I’d live rent-free in that satellite and I bet a bunch of heroes would, given how many of them have bullshit jobs. I don't remember any Peter Parker esque stories about Superman struggling with rent.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:01
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Superman doesn't even need to eat and I'm not sure he needs to sleep. The guy is the definition of having no expenses.
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Sep 1, 2020 01:28
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As well, by JLU I can count three billionaires on the theme (If the follow up comics I can count four) Batman, Green Arrow, Mr. Terrific, and then Ted Kord in the comics. Plus also, Wonder Woman probably has a big savings account from Themiscryian treasure and compound interest. Plus also like Aquauman is filthy rich too from all the sunken treasure right?
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Sep 1, 2020 01:45
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Also he has an amazing apartment so maybe Metropolis just has a really good public housing program. Of course, I don't think there's any Clark Kent in JLA/U, so possibly he actually made the Justice League into his full time job and gave up reporting. Or maybe he swung a deal as the Daily Planet Justice League correspondent. Martian Manhunter sure seems like he gave up his human existence. Green Lantern only goes back to his hometown when he thinks he's ready to die, and I don't think Hawkgirl ever had an alter ego. I looked up how many episodes each character has on IMDB, and I was right in thinking Batman was down there, but he's only the #2 least appearing member of the league. For some reason Wonder Woman has the least appearances. I guess she was off living her life somewhere.
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Sep 1, 2020 01:50
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I think Clark Kent popped up once or twice in the Justice League cartoon, but yeah he was largely absent.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:01
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SlothfulCobra posted:Martian Manhunter sure seems like he gave up his human existence. To be fair that was a whole arc for him, one which ended with him spending a year disguised as a human.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:34
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Wasn't being poor part of Morrison's run on N52 Action?
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Endless Mike posted:Wasn't being poor part of Morrison's run on N52 Action? For like one issue. That was when Clark was a young immature socialist, before he learned to see the BIGGER PICTURE.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:49
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Endless Mike posted:Wasn't being poor part of Morrison's run on N52 Action? He had a pretty crappy apartment, but I don't remember lack of money being a plot point, like I think I've read stories where Peter Parker doesn't have money for the chemicals to make his webbing.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:49
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Yeah so he steals from ESU.
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Sep 1, 2020 04:47
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Rhyno posted:Yeah so he steals from ESU. He's a menace I tell you.
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Sep 1, 2020 06:25
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bunnyofdoom posted:Welll, I mean, they cover it in the comics and it's not great The amazing/terrible thing about this is that it's foreshadowing for Barbara/Bruce in The Killing Joke movie, leading to the thread title.
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mycot posted:The amazing/terrible thing about this is that it's foreshadowing for Barbara/Bruce in The Killing Joke movie, leading to the thread title. If you watch the episode of BTAS where Barbara is introduced, pre-Batgirl and still like 15 at the most, she has a huge crush on Batman and it's obviously foreshadowing her to be a love interest despite the absurd age difference. Even then the seeds for this horrible idea were being planted.
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Sep 1, 2020 09:12
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Lurdiak posted:If you watch the episode of BTAS where Barbara is introduced, pre-Batgirl and still like 15 at the most, she has a huge crush on Batman and it's obviously foreshadowing her to be a love interest despite the absurd age difference. Even then the seeds for this horrible idea were being planted. I'm pretty sure she's a university freshman when she's introduced. BTAS Robin was well into college before becoming Nightwing. In fact, that's the reason he's only in maybe 1/4 of the series episodes. And IIRC, the two of them were an item before she became Batgirl.
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Sep 1, 2020 13:42
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Nanigans posted:Man, Bruce must pull some amazing financial finagling to get his shareholders or whoever to not notice the billions upon billions it must cost to build the Watchtower and all of the Javelin planes, let alone the loving insane teleportation technology they use. I am pretty sure in the comics and maybe the show, they mention that Bruce Wayne is a financial backer of the JL. I think he even says at one point that he gives money to batman. He probably has a trade deal to slowly introduce kryptonian, martian, altantian, ETC tech into the general markets and makes money off that.
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Sep 1, 2020 17:46
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Not sure if it belongs here but you can set Waze navigation voice to the Batman dubbed by Kevin Conroy and it will last till the 31st October. I've just used it for one trip and yes it's great.
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Sep 1, 2020 21:35
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aba posted:Not sure if it belongs here but you can set Waze navigation voice to the Batman dubbed by Kevin Conroy and it will last till the 31st October. I've just used it for one trip and yes it's great. When I'm leaving work can I get it to yell "McGinnis get out of there, now!"?
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Sep 1, 2020 21:47
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aba posted:Not sure if it belongs here but you can set Waze navigation voice to the Batman dubbed by Kevin Conroy and it will last till the 31st October. I've just used it for one trip and yes it's great. I know Kevin Conroy has aged gracefully but I was hoping to get lighter, chill Bruce as well as the chronic Bat-voice version.
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Sep 2, 2020 00:42
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hiddenriverninja posted:I know Kevin Conroy has aged gracefully but I was hoping to get lighter, chill Bruce as well as the chronic Bat-voice version.
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Sep 3, 2020 09:15
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Yeah, since New Adventures the voice direction has been "sound exactly like Batman because the audience is too stupid to know he and Bruce Wayne are the same person".
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Sep 3, 2020 09:45
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That's also when they changed how Bruce looked. Originally it was all casual suits and mussed hair where looking at him you'd never think this guy was Batman. Redesign Bruce is like first choice if you were trying to figure out who Batman was.
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Sep 3, 2020 13:06
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Android Blues posted:Batman Beyond rules and this is absolutely one of the reasons why. It actually commits to "dystopian cyberpunk future" in a way that isn't just set dressing for robots and lasers in a kids' show. Terry and Bruce's campaign against evil is anachronistic, outdated, a tiny spark of hope in a world where evil has already propagated itself to every level of society. They have no support system, no long-term plan, and even between the two of them, their bond of trust is tenuous and fraying, and you always get the sense that Bruce could give up on Terry, or vice versa, after one bad argument. I was about to post a smart Alec post of "the way to solve the dichotomy of how being Batman is depressing and never has an upbeat ending is to just make him Spider-man.  "But then I got thinking about something a bit more profound. Like how regularly people will argue about Bruce Wayne never making a difference because he keeps having to fight the same bad guys over and over yada yada yada. But nobody every makes the same comments about Superman or Spider-man. Like nobody says they are a part of the problem or they never fully fix the Industiral Supervillain Complex. Instead Batman is the one that always get's the blame. Batman should really hire a PR person.
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Sep 3, 2020 19:18
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The Question IRL posted:I was about to post a smart Alec post of "the way to solve the dichotomy of how being Batman is depressing and never has an upbeat ending is to just make him Spider-man. I will not stand for this J Jonah Jameson erasure!
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Sep 3, 2020 19:29
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I feel like Spiderman doesn't approach his work with the expectation that it's part of a universal program of reform for his city, nor does he believe that his city must be rescued from decline and chaos. New York is just like a pretty cool place and he has as much fun buying hot dogs from carts and going to sporting events and whatever other generic things as he does have serious hero time. Also he doesn't have the resources to pursue any other strategy like Batman does: he's not going to be able to invest in infrastructure. It's just jumping and punching or nothing. There's also probably something in there about other heroes just kind of lucking into it through happenstance. You don't blame Superman for not trying other things because what else is he going to do? Muckrake? He's lucky to have a day job at all in this economy.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:01
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Well if he was just Peter he could be running a billion dollar tech lab that could advance mankind but he's too busy punching doc Ock again
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Sep 3, 2020 20:05
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The Question IRL posted:I was about to post a smart Alec post of "the way to solve the dichotomy of how being Batman is depressing and never has an upbeat ending is to just make him Spider-man. Because those other two heroes aren't portrayed as being on some mission to eradicate crime and because they don't have deep-rooted childhood trauma driving them. It's set up to be extra tragic if he fails.
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The thing with Spiderman is that classically, spiderman is more about interpersonal drama, and Peter Parker's own lovely life is always going horribly wrong some way or another. It's not an empowerment fantasy; Spiderman isn't supposed to be the best at everything he does, and he doesn't have huge piles of money that are the real-world superpower. I say classically because the last time I read the Spiderman comics, Peter Parker was on top of the world with a fortune and a massive company that he in no way earned and still acting like a schlubby loser unable to do basic management of his own life or maintain romantic or friendly relationships and it really rubbed me the wrong way. It's not as sympathetic when he's on top of the world and whining that his life is so harrrrrd. I think I've also seen a lot of newer iterations of Spiderman really downplay the loser Peter Parker aspects as well, which takes away the bite. I prefer stories about winning against the odds. Superman stories I don't know much about, but Metropolis doesn't really try to grind in the fact that it's a shithole like Gotham does, and Clark Kent doesn't have a huge pile of wealth that could theoretically solve a lot of social issues, so it doesn't stand out as much.
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