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An excellent birthday present to see this LP back!
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Oh hey, my third favorite dead Pokemon Let's Play is updating again! How about that.
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Sep 3, 2020 04:53
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Can't you just store excess items in your PC? I know that it's an easy feature to forget, but it's an option, to my knowledge.
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Sep 3, 2020 07:22
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EclecticTastes posted:Can't you just store excess items in your PC? I know that it's an easy feature to forget, but it's an option, to my knowledge. There's a limit to how many items you can store, which is what PMush is hitting due to not using enough TMs or Vitamins or whatever.
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Omnicrom posted:Oh hey, my third favorite dead Pokemon Let's Play is updating again! How about that. 
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The Golux posted:There's a limit to how many items you can store, which is what PMush is hitting due to not using enough TMs or Vitamins or whatever. Oh, yeah, just realized his second screenshot there was from the PC. I didn't realize it was possible to have enough items to fill both your inventory and PC. Hell, I never even maxed out my bag, but I figure hoarding all those TMs instead of wasting them all on random Pokemon (which is exactly what I did back when I played gen 1 as a child) might make a difference.
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Glad to see this back! Still love to see my childhood impressions of mons confirmed or (usually) dismantled.
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Why do you call Weezing's defenses less than stellar. 65/120/85 feels better than most pokemon. Is the HP that debilitating?
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EclecticTastes posted:Oh, yeah, just realized his second screenshot there was from the PC. I didn't realize it was possible to have enough items to fill both your inventory and PC. Hell, I never even maxed out my bag, but I figure hoarding all those TMs instead of wasting them all on random Pokemon (which is exactly what I did back when I played gen 1 as a child) might make a difference. I would always need to shuffle things around sometime around the rocket game corner.
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Sep 3, 2020 13:23
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Skip the boring dungeon? Who wouldn't?
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I kind of like Pokemon Mansion. It's not as long or labyrinthine as the others and I kind of liked the switch mechanic and that part of the dungeon where you have to leap off the map to the lower level. And walking through a burnt out mansion/lab is always novel. I enjoy it more than the rocket hideout or some of the caves.
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rannum posted:Why do you call Weezing's defenses less than stellar. 65/120/85 feels better than most pokemon. Is the HP that debilitating?
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Sep 3, 2020 16:30
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Glad to see this back. And just in time for a Stadium segment too.
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PMush Perfect posted:“Less than stellar” is definitely a bit too strong a phrasing, thinking about it again. “Only ‘pretty good’” might be better. I definitely kind of thought that was weird since Weezing is considered a pretty bulky mon in the Gen III+ meta. Of course that was after it got Levitate and Bug/Fighting moves got a lot more common while Psychic usage fell off a cliff
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Zore posted:I definitely kind of thought that was weird since Weezing is considered a pretty bulky mon in the Gen III+ meta. Of course that was after it got Levitate and Bug/Fighting moves got a lot more common while Psychic usage fell off a cliff
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rannum posted:I kind of like Pokemon Mansion. It's not as long or labyrinthine as the others and I kind of liked the switch mechanic and that part of the dungeon where you have to leap off the map to the lower level. It’s definitely one of the more unique dungeons in the series, future games leaned way hard into mountains/Team hideouts.
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Great LP, stadium 1 is unironically my favorite Pokémon game since winning with the rentals gave me my real first glimpse at strategy (...and RNG). Even as a kid, I didn’t have cuddly/underpowered favorite Pokémon. My favorite was Mewtwo. Yeah, I was that kid. However I did have favorite garbage move, and that was Metronome. Oh metronome... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHYcdgq3Hao It flew up high!
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Random_Username posted:It flew up high! My favorite animation of fly is Diglett. "I must go, my planet needs me."
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You can store extra items in pokemon stadium via oak's laboratory.
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Random_Username posted:Great LP, stadium 1 is unironically my favorite Pokémon game since winning with the rentals gave me my real first glimpse at strategy (...and RNG). I love in later gens when it rolls legendary signature moves.
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Pokemon Center 5: Woah, This Pokemon Looks Wrong!    Playing through this game has been a process for me. It's been almost a year since I've started this LP, and with six badges and dozens of hours of gameplay behind me, I've started to have some changes of opinion, compared to when I started. Before I began, I evaluated every Pokemon from a purely intellectual level, without any play experience to back it up. (Yes, this challenge run is "blind," so to speak, fight me.) As I've gotten further along, I've found more and more of my initial thoughts weren't quite on the mark, but I could just correct them while writing the updates. I've strayed from my spreadsheet with all my initial thoughts, sometimes drastically, but that's fine, no one else is ever going to see that. ...except there's still a legacy of those early thoughts: The first couple of updates. Some of the evaluations I'm still happy with (the starter ones being brief is suitable for being the very first in the LP, for example, and there's nothing else to be said about Beedrill), but there are others that were too short, no longer match up with my current feelings, or both. I hadn't even implemented .5s yet when I wrote most of these, and that's definitely part of my oversight. So, rather than retcon and have almost nobody actually notice, I thought I might as well squeeze a proper update out of those changes. (This also means I don't need to go back to the end of every single goddamn update and change their placements on the Viability chart.) Over a couple updates, we'll be covering the entries I find most egregiously 'wrong' for what the LP is now. First, ones where my evaluation wasn't just poor quality, but actually inaccurate to my feelings now: Parasect and Wigglytuff. Pikachu  Viability: I think I was a bit too kind to Pikachu. A terrible thing to say, I know, but oof. First, the good. Pikachu is the only usable Electric-type through the first third of the game, as well as the fastest and most reliable source of paralysis without using the valuable Thunder Wave TM. If you want to bring an Electric to Misty's gym, Pikachu wins by default. But, as a Raichu? Hm. I already covered it in detail in comparison to Jolteon, so I won't go into it too much here, but it starts to lack in comparison. Especially since I finally did my research and discovered that yes, Surfing Pikachu would, in fact, be cheating, as only the Pokemon Stadium version of Surfing Pikachu actually has your own Trainer ID. This means that Raichu has literally no special coverage. Electric, Normal, and Submission are its only options, leaving its options as a mixed sweeper extremely lacking. All that said, Electric is a very rare type, and Raichu is best one you can get more than one of in Blue, so I can't rate it too low. It's just not really 4/5 material. Jigglypuff  Viability: Wigglytuff is a worse Clefable. That much is still true. Tuff is worse in every stat except HP, which is undermined by its poor Defense and Special, and Attack, which is tied. It even has the same inaccurate sleep move, Sing, at effectively the same level. Wigglytuff does, however, have a slight, slight advantage over Clefable: Double-Edge, Body Slam, Disable, and Rest all by level-up. It is theoretically possible for a Wigglytuff, via a combination of either Singing or Body Slam paralysis, Flash spam, lucky Disabling, and Resting, to stall out another slow, defensive Pokemon that doesn't have the offensive presence to threaten a 3HKO. This isn't a long list, mostly involving other 2/5 to 3/5 Pokemon, but it is, in fact, a niche. Technically. One that Clefable can't claim to have. There are other Pokemon who could probably do the job better in general, while also having actual offensive presence (Hypno, Slowbro, and Venomoth, just to name a few), but none of them can check all of the boxes that Wigglytuff can without using TMs. And, slow and unreliable as it is, Wigglytuff is still a (kind of) bulky Pokemon with a Sleep move and not many weaknesses... So, uh, good job, Wigglytuff! You have a unique role! Technically! Paras  Viability: Hoo boy, Parasect. 95/80 offenses and 60/80/80 defenses seem alright, and it's got a signature move, the 100% accuracy sleep move, Spore, as well as access to Slash, to do something alright with that 95 Attack. Unfortunately, just about everything else is stacked against it. First, it doesn't evolve until level 24, at which point, Bellsprout, who can be reached just on the other side of Mount Moon, will be a Weepinbell, if not a Victreebel. So, there's some stiff competition. And those 'alright' offenses and 'eh' defenses are held back by having an even worse typing than Grass/Poison. Being Grass/Bug and without access to Razor Leaf, Parasect is dependent on either the Mega Drain or Solar Beam TMs to have any kind of STAB attack worth using, and even that's debatable. That typing is even worse defensively than offensively, with three double-weaknesses (Flying, Fire, and, in Gen I, Poison), as well as weaknesses to Rock and Ice. And with its 30 Speed, it will be outsped and whomped even by the very Rock-types that Grass Pokemon are supposed to deal with, no coverage moves required. Sleep is extremely powerful in Gen 1, and in this game's 3v3 format, putting one of your opponent's Pokemon down for a nap can end up causing an absolutely huge swing in the momentum of the fight. However, by the same token, using a Pokemon that can be OHKOed without getting anything done can create an equally big swing in momentum. Parasect has a game plan, I'll give it that, but even Spore can't make up for everything else holding it back. ...hey, I said my previous thoughts were inaccurate, I never said I thought they were good. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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Cinnabar is the first Gym where I'm actually going to really consider which team to bring, and I might start using some TMs. There may be another small update where I go over not only some of our current superstars, but also which permanent resources I've used up.
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We are excited to see what you've done.
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Route 22: An Abrupt Pokemon Change Okay, I lied. After some consideration, there's a few things I need to do before I take on Stadium's version of Cinnabar. It's the first gym where I'd call every opponent legitimately dangerous, using teams of fully-evolved Pokemon. The game's getting serious, finally. About time for me to get serious, too, don't you think?   First, we're depositing some Pokemon, and withdrawing some items. Some of these are temporary benchings, but TUBE, whose back we've been riding on since Misty, is finally going into a very well-earned retirement. It's time for a new generation of Water-types to pick up the torch, then slam dunk it with Surf.     Next, we do some shopping. Lots and lots of shopping. (I actually have to Shenanigans myself some more money twice, though this also includes stocking up on regular items.) Then, some off-screen running around later, and we have three new friends! They're all in serious need of moves and training, but I did just get a whole bunch, didn't I?    Our new team members! Two of them need little introduction, but there's one that might be surprising, considering I gave it a 2/5 way back when. That rating is still true, I still stand by it being generally subpar, but this is a situation similar to Shrewball, way back in Vermillion. Thanks to the very specific teams and gimmicks of a couple of the upcoming opponents, Haunter is actually the best-suited Pokemon to fill a very specific niche. We'll get there when we get there.  The only TM used on GAIFGI (which stood for something, but I no longer remember what), is a Substitute from the Game Corner. Inconvenient, but unlimited. Everything else she'll be using will be naturally learned.     Next, DOCTOR GUN, who I worked much too hard on getting to not use. In addition to also getting Substitute, as well as Hyper Beam, we will be using two very high value TMs on the good DOCTOR: Body Slam and Blizzard. Body Slam is rightfully going to the strongest Normal-type attacker that can't already learn it, and Blizzard is, surprisingly, the ideal coverage move for Tauros. Thanks to their sky-high Defense but extremely poor Special, Tauros, even with a special of only 70, can guarantee a 2HKO on Rhydon and Golem. Earthquake is also a much more high-value TM than Blizzard; there are some Pokemon reliant on the former in order to have a decent STAB move (cough cough NIDOKING cough), but most Ice-types at least learn something like Aurora Beam, and we've still got the Ice Beam TM sitting around, too. So, it works out for multiple reasons.   And, finally, RAVESTAR. Those of you who remember ZIGGY from my last attempt at a Stadium LP will have some idea of the terror I am about to unleash. Surf from the HM is going to be more reliable than Hydro Pump, and Psychic is going on because if I'm going all the way with Starmie, I'm going all the loving way with Starmie. We also need one more TM. One we don't have yet! And it's going to be a bit of a trek to fix that.    Both because I don't want to pull out DUX and for the extra grinding, we'll be going backwards through Rock Tunnel to get to where we need to be. I also don't want to grab something with Flash, so I'll be doing it  A lot of this happens, as RAVESTAR obliterates everything with either Psychic or Surf. Even just as a Staryu, it's got a pretty decent 70 Special. More than enough to get past these nerds.    A bit of surfing, and we're finally where we need to be. I didn't plan on coming here until after Blaine, but there's something we need, so I might as well get it all done at once.    Aside from being populated exclusively by Electric-type Pokemon, the Power Plant's gimmick is that some items are actually Voltorbs and Electrodes, ready to Self-Destruct or Explode all over your Pokemon. Unfortunately for them, BIGGER BEN both wrecks their poo poo and resists Normal, so they're rarely more than a nuisance even if they do blow up.    Our goal is achieved, and RAVESTAR has every move it doesn't learn naturally. I might have preferred Thunderbolt if we'd held onto it, but Thunder is powerful enough to put a serious dent in other bulky Water-types who might weather its assaults and strike back. It's also the best option for not getting walled by fellow Water/Psychic Slowbro.    Along with some wild Pikachu and Raichu (please do not catch a wild Raichu, it learns gently caress-all worth using), we've also got one new Pokemon line, and we'd be getting another if we were playing Red instead of Blue. Magnemite   Viability: 2.5/5 I feel bad for Magneton. It's got a fantastic Special, 120, and a pretty decent 95 Defense. Even its 70 Speed is kind of workable. Unfortunately, any chance of it getting used runs into two major problems. First is that unlike most Electric Pokemon we could be using by this point, it won't ever learn any Electric move stronger than Thunder Shock. It doesn't even learn Thunder Wave until almost 40. Remember Thunder Wave? That move that TATERS had in time for Brock? Yeah. Level 38. Not really any coverage or utility moves to speak of, either. Well, there's Supersonic, if you want some budget parafusion, but there's much better options for that. The second problem is that there are other Pokemon in this same building that outclass it entirely. And the first one is... Electabuzz  Viability: 3.5/5 Exclusive to Pokemon Red, Electabuzz is mostly a sidegrade to Raichu, being slightly faster and very slightly bulkier physically in exchange for lower offenses. In the moveset department, Raichu comes out slightly ahead, with Pikachu learning Thunder at about the same time that Electabuzz learns the unique but unexciting ThunderPunch. It still learns Thunder, just not until the low-50s, which is disappointing. Still, if you want an Electric mixed attacker, and you're getting frustrated by Thunder's 70% accuracy, you could do worse than Electabuzz. I mean, I can't, I'm playing Blue, but you theoretically could.   Now, how about the real reason to fully explore the Power Plant? Zapdos  Viability: 5/5 Zapdos is the Pokemon that makes every other Electric-type look like a chump. Immunity to Ground comes at the cost of weaknesses to Rock and Ice, but Zapdos doesn't really need to fear the stray coverage move. This is because of Zapdos's deceptively high 90/85/125 defenses. Add that to 90 Attack, 125 Special, and 100 Speed, and you've got a Pokemon with great stats across the board. So what does its movelist look like? In short: Pretty dang good. The only one of the legendary birds to learn a usable Flying-type attack, Zapdos rocks the naturally-learned combination of Drill Peck, Thunder, and Agility. The lack of coverage, and the only other natural move being the unusably-late Light Screen, doesn't really even matter, and that fourth slot can be used for a decently powerful Take Down or Hyper Beam, a disruptive Thunder Wave, or even a cheeky Mimic or Rest. Zapdos is unquestionably one of the two best Electric-types in RBY, rivaled only by the faster and frailer Jolteon. Neither is strictly better or worse, they've both got pros and cons, and they're both fantastic and completely capable of wrecking all kinds of poo poo.     Now that we've got everything worth grabbing, it's time to get that last move, and our team will be ready for Shenanigans training.    It doesn't take long. But this update sure did! Both for the curious, and for my own reference, let's check in on the permanent resources we've used up, shall we? (Only the worthwhile ones, though, I don't care about not having Bubblebeam any more.) Pokemon Venusaur / Hitmonlee / Kabutops / TMs Blizzard - DOCTOR GUN (Tauros) Body Slam - DOCTOR GUN (Tauros) Dig - BIGGER BEN (Rhydon) Double-Edge - EDWARD (Kabutops, off-screen) Psychic - RAVESTAR (Starmie) Rock Slide - BIGGER BEN (Rhydon) Swords Dance - EDWARD (Kabutops, off-screen) Thunder - RAVESTAR (Starmie) Thunderbolt - TONIC (Jolteon) Other Probably some other poo poo that doesn't matter. That's a lot more than we'd used at the start of the update, but hopefully it'll all pay off. God, I hope it pays off. Next Time on Multi-Track Battling: The kid gloves are off. Complete Available Roster 5.0:       4.5:        4.0:        3.5:          3.0:            2.5:     2.0:           1.5:     1.0:       Other: 
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Sep 12, 2020 01:04
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Also, I just realized I never added Farfetch'd to the list. Fixing it now, finally.
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Stadium's Cinnabar Gym has the best nicknames and nothing shall convince me otherwise 
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"Haunter's fun, I don't know why I rated it so low!" spends eight turns trying to hit with Hypnosis and get something to stay asleep long enough to use Dream Eater "Oh. Right."
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Sep 12, 2020 02:14
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God I love using Starmie. Just...*chef's kiss*
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I forgot how charming Zapdos' sprite was here
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Starmie is one of the best pokemon in the entire series. It wasn't until Sun and Moon that Starmie finally fell from OU into UU. Over 20 years of being competitively viable. What a beast.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Starmie is one of the best pokemon in the entire series. It wasn't until Sun and Moon that Starmie finally fell from OU into UU. I honestly feel like they gave it Psychic typing as a secondary so that it would have SOMETHING more to hit it with (even if that was all of one move in generation 1). A beast that quick and that strong that can sweep teams more often than not needs a vulnerability somewhere after all, and electric moves are rare outside of electric types. And if you didn't throw your Gameboy against the wall when you were fighting Misty's you're a goddamn liar
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Does the Psychic type actually help or harm Starmie, assuming that it retains all its moves, even Recover? I guess Recover is good reason on why it has Psychic type, but if I recall psychic isn't really a good defensive type, and most Starmies don't run Psychic.
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In Gen 1 its basically irrelevant, the only moves that are super effective against Psychic are Lick, Pin Missile and Twineedle IIRC. Lick is pathetically weak, and Twinneedle is exclusive to Beedrill, who is useless. Jolteon gets Pin Missile, but it also gets STAB electric attacks, so why would it bother when you could just use Thunderbolt.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I honestly feel like they gave it Psychic typing as a secondary so that it would have SOMETHING more to hit it with (even if that was all of one move in generation 1). A beast that quick and that strong that can sweep teams more often than not needs a vulnerability somewhere after all, and electric moves are rare outside of electric types. Nope. I had an Ivysaur.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I honestly feel like they gave it Psychic typing as a secondary so that it would have SOMETHING more to hit it with (even if that was all of one move in generation 1). A beast that quick and that strong that can sweep teams more often than not needs a vulnerability somewhere after all, and electric moves are rare outside of electric types. I had a charmeleon, but also a bunch of other pokemon. Sorry you were a scrub while fighting Misty.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:And if you didn't throw your Gameboy against the wall when you were fighting Misty's you're a goddamn liar I was very bent on using my starter (though I picked up a Diglett for Lt. Surge), so I wiped to Misty, continued playing the game, and came back to her with a Charizard who promptly oneshot everything with Slash.  Of course, having Charizard and Dugtrio as my only leveled mons meant that first run ended on Lorelei.
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Even though Starmie is a monster there's a reason they gave it Tackle and Water Gun so it has a chance of not annihilating you with Bubblebeam. And it having a Psychic move would've been absurd. Still there's a reason Oddish and Bellsprout are found right next door.
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Just went to double check and wow. Magneton has one of the most dire learnsets I've ever seen, even for Gen 1.
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And without steel typing or good abilities, poor Magneton must founder for some time to come.
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