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KirbyKhan posted:Every time I play face hunter I get matched into aggro rogue, is there any way to win that matchup other than sheer luck? Eesh. Yeah I've been playing face hunter and feel this way too.
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i've had some mild success with aggro rogues using this hunter deck: ### POKE IT # Class: Hunter # Format: Standard # Year of the Phoenix # # 2x (1) Adorable Infestation # 2x (1) Demon Companion # 2x (1) Dwarven Sharpshooter # 2x (1) Intrepid Initiate # 2x (1) Tour Guide # 2x (1) Wolpertinger # 1x (2) Explosive Trap # 1x (2) Freezing Trap # 1x (2) Pack Tactics # 2x (2) Phase Stalker # 1x (2) Pressure Plate # 2x (2) Scavenger's Ingenuity # 2x (2) Voracious Reader # 2x (3) Animal Companion # 2x (3) Eaglehorn Bow # 2x (3) Kill Command # 1x (4) Dragonbane # 1x (4) Lorekeeper Polkelt # AAECAZ/DAwaHBMkEn6UDh7ADpLkD9tYDDKgCtQP+DPuvA/yvA/+6A9zMA5vNA6LOA4LQA8bRA7nSAwA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone you wanna mulligan for your absolute cheapest cards and go for face and maybe just a little bit of control on their scarier minions, hopefully you draw polkelt which will draw you your big damage cards that you can finish them off with before the rogue kills you.
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quote:Hearthstone Book of Heroes will bring fresh and FREE single player content over the course of the next 12 months, until the stories for all 10 core Heroes have been told. Defeating all 8 bosses in this linear adventure will reward 1 Mage Pack, containing only Mage cards from Standard! So I guess it's going to be a full year of lovely "fight these bosses" single player adventures. I get that dungeon runs were getting kinda stale, but it would be nice to have something with a bit of creativity behind it.
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Chin Strap posted:The 10 cards thing is something I never thought about. That makes a ton of sense. Thanks Orb of Sapience can help you with burning bombs with a full hand as well, so don't equip it or spend its charges early in the matchup. Edit: quote:Book of Heroes will bring fresh and FREE single player content over the course of the next 12 months, until the stories for all 10 core Heroes have been told. mcbexx fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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enki42 posted:So I guess it's going to be a full year of lovely "fight these bosses" single player adventures. I get that dungeon runs were getting kinda stale, but it would be nice to have something with a bit of creativity behind it. really with this kind of stuff it all comes down to how good the tools available to you are fighting OP boss poo poo with OP poo poo of your own is fun, fighting OP boss poo poo with a regular deck loving sucks
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mcbexx posted:Orb of Sapience can help you with burning bombs with a full hand as well, so don't equip it or spend its charges early in the matchup. Orb just feels so slow in Priest right now. Really only feels worthwhile for Tortollan Mage to run.
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Sir Lemming posted:That Darkglare change might not be too bad for Suicide Warlock because you usually have so many ways of damaging yourself that you don't even need all the mana it generates. And with the card costing 1 less it's still pretty useful. I think. Doubtful. This shockingly feels like a nerf to help salvage Wild mode. The Standard version of Pain Warlock was barely good enough in Standard, and it needed the mana cheat to tread water, and relevancy is super cutthroat with how balanced this set is. Deck is basically dead.
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Sep 3, 2020 22:57
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AnacondaHL posted:Doubtful. This shockingly feels like a nerf to help salvage Wild mode. The Standard version of Pain Warlock was barely good enough in Standard, and it needed the mana cheat to tread water, and relevancy is super cutthroat with how balanced this set is. Deck is basically dead. Mad about that nerf killing ny favorite warlock deck, also mad Willow isn't eligible for dust...it's still a useless card. Also I don't think secret passage is nerfed in any way that matters that much given it's only one less card.
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Fenarisk posted:Also I don't think secret passage is nerfed in any way that matters that much given it's only one less card. It gives a lower probability of getting an effective card to synergize with the strategy of swapping your hand, but it's still a strong card. Does anyone have any Shaman decks that are fun and can get around a 40% win rate? I love Shaman and am close to a golden one, so I'm hoping to ride the bonus stars with it to Diamond and a gold hero. Don't care if it's great, just as long as it's fun and hits over 35%. Edit: Looking to use something more intricate than Totem Shaman, and I have all Shaman legendaries except Vashj.
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Sep 4, 2020 00:48
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Chances of having duplicates of Epics are fairly low, so booo these dustless nerfs.
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Does anyone know if Turalyon's flavour text is some kind of reference, because it's weirdly straight-faced sounding.
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Acerbatus posted:Does anyone know if Turalyon's flavour text is some kind of reference, because it's weirdly straight-faced sounding. according to google it’s just a quote of his from some audio drama
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I'm fine with the Secret Passage nerf, they just want to control its consistency a little bit rather than gut it completely. I still think they should also change it so it replaces the whole hand back and doesn't leave discovered/shadowstepped cards behind, since that's more intuitive anyway, but eh. RIP Zoolock, we hardly knew ye.
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blizzardvizard posted:I'm fine with the Secret Passage nerf, they just want to control its consistency a little bit rather than gut it completely. I still think they should also change it so it replaces the whole hand back and doesn't leave discovered/shadowstepped cards behind, since that's more intuitive anyway, but eh. As a mage player who mainlines Evocation to generate value, I will fight for rogues right to keep their gen'd cards. Like it costs Mana to gen them.
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The roadmap by the way Hopefully this Jaina has new emotes. Also presumably we're getting alt portraits for all 10 heroes.
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It'd be hilarious if they charged $10 or whatever for not even new emotes.
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adamarama posted:Kinda bullshit that Willow isn't eligible for a refund when the change is comparable to dark glare. I basically want rid of Willow cos it's crap. Lol this was my exact thought when I saw the changes. I opened a Willow and would love to dust it for something else.
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Darkglare nerf is so weird since that deck wasn't even crushingly good or anything.
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This deck is absolutely nuts good. I'm 15-4 with it and I've only lost to bomb warrior and games I drew both potions before I got to cast a tortollan pilgrim. ### turtle mage # Class: Mage # Format: Standard # Year of the Phoenix # # 1x (1) Sphere of Sapience # 2x (1) Wand Thief # 1x (2) Astromancer Solarian # 2x (2) Cult Neophyte # 2x (2) Doomsayer # 2x (2) Wandmaker # 1x (3) Earthen Ring Farseer # 2x (3) Firebrand # 2x (3) Frost Nova # 2x (3) Imprisoned Observer # 2x (4) Bone Wraith # 1x (4) Lorekeeper Polkelt # 2x (4) Potion of Illusion # 1x (5) Jandice Barov # 1x (5) Sunreaver Warmage # 2x (6) Blizzard # 2x (6) Khartut Defender # 2x (8) Tortollan Pilgrim # AAECAaXDAwbzDNOYA427A4/OA9nRA/bWAwyKAckDywShoQOLpAPypQPDuAP4zAOk0QPl0QP+0QOL1QMA # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
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Acerbatus posted:Darkglare nerf is so weird since that deck wasn't even crushingly good or anything. Apparently its more of a problem in wild
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Fenarisk posted:Mad about that nerf killing ny favorite warlock deck, also mad Willow isn't eligible for dust...it's still a useless card. Yeah, i understand it was kind of degenerate in Wild and Discolock is a more sustainable aggro Warlock but... man, it was nice having that fun deck in standard. Also the only thing that makes sense for Willow is if there is some really interesting synergy with upcoming sets. There is nothing to incentive playing Enhanced Dreadlord in standard and she's pointless for Cubelock. Moving her to 8 has no effect on Evenlock either.
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Yeah, Darkglare has been behind some massive blowout early turns, since Wild has so many cheap ways to damage your hero.
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It's weird to balance new cards in Standard for Wild. Blizz must have some serious plans for Wild card collections to nerf a perfectly balanced Standard card to improve Wild.
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This twitter thread explains the balance changes: https://twitter.com/gw_alec/status/1301577196247556097?s=21
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Acerbatus posted:Darkglare nerf is so weird since that deck wasn't even crushingly good or anything. Flayer posted:It's weird to balance new cards in Standard for Wild. Blizz must have some serious plans for Wild card collections to nerf a perfectly balanced Standard card to improve Wild. If any standard player wants to understand this better, here's a video where GetMeowth and Corbett talk about the deck at around 6 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KujwcZZr2NE Tin Tim fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Lol yeah I ran up the wild ranks with that deck. It was super efficient because I'd drop darkglare and people would just conceed! The crazy power was nice but really it was great for the thrill of figuring out how to get as many cards and possible through your hand and then that gambler's high on the opponent's turn that they couldn't clear or go lethal.
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Apocron posted:This twitter thread explains the balance changes: https://twitter.com/gw_alec/status/1301577196247556097?s=21 So for Priest is sounds like they just want to stop people whining about mind control effects being too good? Because when I hear "we want these effects to be a deckbuilding choice" I'm immediately translating that to "this is for meme tier-4 decks only".
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It means "this effect is too obnoxious to be as generically powerful as it is". That's how card game designers decide which cards should be over and under statted.
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Can't believe I just spent 3bux on a cupcake card back.
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Cabal Acolyte can be a 2/2 or a 2/3 and still be an auto-include, Acolyte + Apathy is just that dumb. If they removed the Taunt, though, then it might be a different story, and maybe not even then.
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Tin Tim posted:It's weird if you only look at it from the outside tbf. This wasn't about "improving" wild but about stopping it from turning into another degenerate "Naga+giants" meta with coinflip games. Darkglare started to become rampant close to the end of the last season and it was deffo headed in that direction asap so I'm real glad that they reacted quickly. Darkglare+raise dead or penflinger/tour guide/flame imp/kobold and many other small cards let you chain draws while cheating mana and getting out flesh/molten giants to win on the spot. On turn three/four or two if the stars aligned and you coined the darkglare with one minion in your raise dead. It got so popular that people were running broom in their list to swing back after the other warlock went off first But on the other hand: Who cares about wild?
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I mean, it wasn’t all THAT long ago that they went back and nerfed Quest Mage in Wild. Sure Wild balance is lower on the totem pole of priorities, but they’ve still stepped in when some combo was getting obscene in the format.
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Regalingualius posted:I mean, it wasn’t all THAT long ago that they went back and nerfed Quest Mage in Wild. the nerfs were to cards not in standard though weren't they?
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yikes! posted:the nerfs were to cards not in standard though weren't they? This is the first time they’ve explicitly nerfed a Standard card for Wild’s sake, AFAIK, but some of the DH nerfs (Altruis and Warglaives) also had the knock-on effect of weakening Odd DH.
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it is pretty subtle, but see if you can tell when this arena run started to go downhill:
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Regalingualius posted:This is the first time they’ve explicitly nerfed a Standard card for Wild’s sake, AFAIK, but some of the DH nerfs (Altruis and Warglaives) also had the knock-on effect of weakening Odd DH. I think the Flametongue totem nerf way back during the year of the Raven was mostly for Even Shaman in Wild being oppressive.
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Acerbatus posted:But on the other hand: bitch please It's the only good Hearthstone left at this point.
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Regalingualius posted:This is the first time they’ve explicitly nerfed a Standard card for Wild’s sake, AFAIK, but some of the DH nerfs (Altruis and Warglaives) also had the knock-on effect of weakening Odd DH. enki42 posted:I think the Flametongue totem nerf way back during the year of the Raven was mostly for Even Shaman in Wild being oppressive. qualifier: a Standard card in the most recent set, nerfed only a few weeks after release. They've historically let poo poo linger in Wild for the sake of Standard. edit: I'm dumb and forgot when Darkglare was printed, but point still stands this was an unusually fast nerf for the sake of Wild that killed a Standard deck AnacondaHL fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Sep 5, 2020 |
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AnacondaHL posted:qualifier: a Standard card in the most recent set, nerfed only a few weeks after release. They've historically let poo poo linger in Wild for the sake of Standard. You have hit the correct modifier. I hope to do this sequence of semantics again in the next set where I get to read Qualifier-qualifier: a Standard card in the most recent set, nerfed after the first hotfix. They've historically let poo poo linger in Wild for the sake of Standard until after the first bundle goes out of sale.
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