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Spacebump posted:The actual worst is Japanese SMB2. NSMB2 is worse. At least Lost Levels is inspired with its dickishness. NSMB2 was just a training game for newly hired devs.
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If you include all of them, mainline loses it's meaning and just becomes a synonym for Mario platformer. When SML came out, nobody at the time saw it as the real successor to SMB3 or SMB2. I'll give y'all that the NSMB series makes this argument a bit weird since the DS/3DS have New SMB and New SMB 2. However, the New SMB games on the home consoles didn't continue with that numbering scheme. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 20:56
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stev posted:Depends if you count NSMB or 3D Land as mainline. I can't even keep the "NEW" games straight because they have such confusing names. I remember there's one where you're a penguin that was absolutely impossible to get all the giant coins because you need the reflexes of an anime character to time the slippery jumps.
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Sep 4, 2020 20:57
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Switch is a handheld. So the whole system isn't canon.
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Spacebump posted:If you include all of them, mainline loses it's meaning and just becomes a synonym for Mario platformer. When SML came out, nobody at the time saw it as the real successor to SMB3 or SMB2. i figured "mainline mario games" includes mario platformers on nintendo systems and excludes stuff like mario kart, mario golf, paper mario, mario teaches typing, etc.
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Sep 4, 2020 20:59
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Mainline Mario games: SMB2/Doki Doki Panic SMW Paper Mario Sunshine Mario Power Tennis Double Dash TTYD Galaxy 1/2 Odyssey
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Zurtilik posted:Switch is a handheld. So the whole system isn't canon. Tragic but true. Odyssey is doomed to portable obscurity. As is Breath of the Wild, forever in the same category as the Seasons games.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:01
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Land 2 introduced Wario who has become a series staple and is the best. This elevates Land 2 to mainline status, Land 1 is mainline because of the rockin’ music alone
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Sep 4, 2020 21:02
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Mario visiting "worlds" and platforming is mainline. Numbered games, Land, World, 64, New, 3D Land, 3D World, Sunshine, Galaxy, Odyssey. Paper, RPG, vs. DK, etc. are sideline. Rabbids, Sports, Party, Kart, Maker, Smash, etc. are non-canon. And then there's unquantifiable stuff like Paint and Typing. Duh. Ah-doy.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:04
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hatty posted:Land 2 introduced Wario who has become a series staple and is the best. This elevates Land 2 to mainline status, Land 1 is mainline because of the rockin’ music alone This just made me wonder, does Wario show up in any of the home console Mario platformers? also, another good way to consider which Mario platformers are mainline would be which dev team made them. This messes with my theory a little.
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Spacebump posted:This just made me wonder, does Wario show up in any of the home console Mario platformers? No. He's in SM64DS though.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:08
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I really wish that Nintendo would release Super Mario Galaxy 2 somehow on the Switch.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:09
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punk rebel ecks posted:I really wish that Nintendo would release Super Mario Galaxy 2 somehow on the Switch. I don’t see why they can’t. Maybe they’ll spring it on us in March as a “one more thing”.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:20
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Super Mario Run belongs in the fallen hero timeline, in which Bowser defeats Mario during the events depicted in Mario Party 7
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Sep 4, 2020 21:21
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did someone say mario timeline!?
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Sep 4, 2020 21:27
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Super Mario Run is a legit good game and better than any of the New games. Won’t be reading replies. 
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Sep 4, 2020 21:28
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Mainline Mario games are ones that I like. Non-mainline Mario games are ones I don't care about. Mario Paint? Mainline.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:33
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the only canon Mario game is Hotel Mario for the CD-i. Everything else is an alternate timeline spinoff.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:34
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Spacebump posted:Mainline games are on the home/main Nintendo consoles. The Gameboy games are spinoffs. This isn't accurate at all. A big reason why Nintendo dominated the handheld market is because many of the entry's from flagship franchises were actual legitimate mainline entries. This was especially true during the DS and 3DS reign, and why Sony gradually began to struggle as people realized that God of War on your PSP wasn' t "God of War quality". SeANMcBAY posted:I don’t see why they can’t. Maybe they’ll spring it on us in March as a “one more thing”. You think as DLC or a separate game for eShop?
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Sep 4, 2020 21:36
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definitely, I remember feeling like I had to buy a game boy to find out what happens next in the mario saga wait what
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Sep 4, 2020 21:37
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Does all stars 2D drop today?
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Sep 4, 2020 21:40
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SeANMcBAY posted:No. He's in SM64DS though. 
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Sep 4, 2020 21:40
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You can still buy the previous "limited" release of Super Mario All-Stars new for around the same price it retailed for. As said before, limited time doesn't mean limited supply. A secret is that most publishers don't constantly send out new stocks of their games after a couple of months, because demand just dies down as everyone who wants the game owns it. There are exceptions like Atlus who prints new copies of games over a decade after release but they are rare. The digital pullout is dumb though but the games will likely just be on the eShop individually after that.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Does all stars 2D drop today? It came out yesterday right after the Direct. punk rebel ecks posted:This isn't accurate at all. A big reason why Nintendo dominated the handheld market is because many of the entry's from flagship franchises were actual legitimate mainline entries. This was especially true during the DS and 3DS reign, and why Sony gradually began to struggle as people realized that God of War on your PSP wasn' t "God of War quality". Definitely seperate if they did.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Does all stars 2D drop today?
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Why is everybody complaining about 64 not being widescreen. Why would you want that? I see mods have done that, but why? I can't imagine playing an old game or watching a tv show from the 90s and saying "Yeah but wonder what's going on just off to the sides"
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Why is everybody complaining about 64 not being widescreen. It’s a nice improvement and that doesn’t hurt anything unlike with shows. I’m not sure if it fucks with anything in the new PC ports. Does it?
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SeANMcBAY posted:It’s a nice improvement and that doesn’t hurt anything unlike with shows. Depends on the game. For first person shooters it's usually no big deal, but a 3rd person platformer, especially the very first successful mainstream one, might have some huge problems.
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widescreen in mario 64 just looks wrong. something off about it, like it took a dump somewhere and you havent seen it yet.
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Lakitu would not have a widescreen camera at the time imo
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punk rebel ecks posted:This isn't accurate at all. A big reason why Nintendo dominated the handheld market is because many of the entry's from flagship franchises were actual legitimate mainline entries. This was especially true during the DS and 3DS reign, and why Sony gradually began to struggle as people realized that God of War on your PSP wasn' t "God of War quality". People realized at the time that the Mario Land games weren't Super Mario Bros quality at the time they were released. After the first game in the New Series, the rest of the series has routinely been criticized for not being high quality. The gameboy games were well received because they were a massive step up from what portable games had been before that. Their quality level wasn't on par with the console entries released around the same time. edit: Ultimately, it seems most disagree with me so I'll just accept that and stop talking about this. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I can't imagine playing an old game or watching a tv show from the 90s and saying "Yeah but wonder what's going on just off to the sides" Some of the more forward-thinking 90s shows actually shot for that. Original Law & Order, for example.
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How can a show where cops and prosecutors are good guys be forward thinking
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John Wick of Dogs posted:How can a show where cops and prosecutors are good guys be forward thinking lol, I agree with this. The only thing I can think is forward thinking in the 90s is backward thinking in the 20s.
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Looks like Overcooked and Overcooked 2 are on sale at the eShop - I definitely recommend them if you're after a couch co-op title that's accessible to non-gamers. The first game is an absolute steal at less than US$7, the second one is essentially more of the same with a few new things thrown in (definitely worth it if you enjoy the first one), including online multiplayer. The developer is working on a remastered 4k collection combing the two games + DLC and adding a few things in, but at this point is only looking to release it on next-gen consoles (PS5/Xbox), so I wouldn't let that stop me from buying it on Switch. Ethics_Gradient fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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stev posted:Depends if you count NSMB or 3D Land as mainline. 6 Golden Coins is a weird but fun game. It's not really the best platformer. The physics are tight, but the level design isn't great because it's a weird mix of letting you explore which removes a lot of pits, so they make up for it with enemies, that you can defeat... it's strange. There are some great ideas in it though that they revisit from time to time, and the music is pretty phenomenal. This song I hadn't thought about in years and it just blew me away. I love how old consoles don't have the strength to play too many channels at once and they use that to their advantage here. When the bass drops out for a few measures  .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0neYkiaO0M And of course this gem from its predecessor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb33Qnbw520 The level design in SML 1 is weird as poo poo, but it does work better as a platformer and is real reminiscent of SMB1.
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Ethics_Gradient posted:Looks like Overcooked and Overcooked 2 are on sale at the eShop - I definitely recommend them if you're after a couch co-op title that's accessible to non-gamers. The first game is an absolute steal at less than US$7, the second one is essentially more of the same with a few new things thrown in (definitely worth it if you enjoy the first one), including online multiplayer. People say a lot that Overcooked is good for non-gamers but a caveat to that. Make sure your non-gamer knows their way to some extent around a controller, my partner plays so rarely that she really doesn't do the complex controllers of today and it costs her in Overcooked since she fumbles just about every action, which is arguably the point, but it frustrates her more than anything else since she won't do the right thing unless she's looking at her hands.
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I just realized that I haven't put more than a few hours into any of the 3d Mario games outside of Odyssey. Like I've seen more footage of Mario 64 Speed runs and TASs than actually playing the game, so 3d All Stars is going to be a completely new experience. Work has me crunching in a quarantine, so fuckit, first full priced Nintendo title I've bought at launch since .......... Yoshi's Island in nineteen-dickety-five.
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Super Paper Mario is a platformer, therefore it is a mainline game.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:And of course this gem from its predecessor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s_XVdA1PZA
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