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nut posted:The same book also has what I think is the most extensive pre-history to MKUltra including the US capturing and then co-opting human experimentation/extreme torture sites being used by the Axis and continuing the experiments, which ultimately morphed into MKUltra. Specifically, Unit 731 in Manchukuo and maybe Camp King in Western Germany (though this second one might be more uniquely a US idea). I think this all happened pre-Artichoke and pre-Bluebird. Yeah, Camp King gets a mention in the chapter. Thanks for the additional info! This did get me thinking: I'm familiar with "communist brainwashing" has become an... anti-communist trope, to the extent that it's still being used by the right to attack the left even today: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/704163/allow-police-military-to-indoctrinate-students-bato/story/ https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/10/19/bato-tells-parents-change-in-kids-behavior-could-mean-theyre-leaning-left https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1153786/dela-rosa-orders-police-to-get-student-from-leftist-groups Now I'm wondering if it goes back earlier than the 1950s. I'm guessing when in the 1920s when the Soviet Union was new and real on-the-ground news was thin you could've accused the Bolsheviks of doing just about anything as long as it fed into the Red Scare.
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The guy who shot the MAGA dude appears to be an mkultra victim who's been recently liquidated. No political posts at all, then a shitload of acid, then he's suddenly hardcore antifa out of nowhere. https://twitter.com/kinematografi/status/1300125821294780416?s=19 https://twitter.com/HillaryFan420/status/1301717874546028544?s=19
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https://twitter.com/hillaryfan420/status/1301717874546028544?s=21 Reineohl was a CI. e:^ you motherfucker!
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StashAugustine posted:does anyone have a good source on us use of chemical weapons in korea the one I've read is Wilfred Burchett's "This Monstrous War"
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StashAugustine posted:does anyone have a good source on us use of chemical weapons in korea Here's biological weapons http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/schwab.htm "Colonel Arthur A. Binney, the officer I relieved as Chief of Staff, had given me, as his duties required that he should, an outline of the general plan of bac- teriological warfare in Korea and the details of the part played up to that time by the First Marine Air- craft Wing. The general plan for bacteriological warfare in Korea was directed by the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff in October, 1951. In that month the Joint Chiefs of Staff sent a directive by hand to the Com- manding General, Far East Command (at that time General Ridgway), directing the initiation of bac- teriological warfare in Korea on an initially small, experimental stage but in expanding proportions." This is one of the captured Americans the Koreans produced to back up the claims. These were intensely denied by the US (this is where intelligence services called them brainwashed) and the captured soldiers brutally smeared in the media. There are signed documents by these soldiers alleging it. But maybe they did lie. At least there isn't mounting evidence that intelligence agencies were already testing bacterial bombs over US citizens prior and up to 1951 whoah i dropped something https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray e: this is all summarized well in Poisoner in Chief too. Sidney Gottlieb, the focus of the book, was Allen Dulles' go-to man for all scientific CIA endeavours. His contributions weren't limited to MKUltra techniques but also include chemical and biological warfare, assassination plots and both poisoners and tech for such plots. nut has issued a correction as of 13:34 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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The Kingfish posted:https://twitter.com/hillaryfan420/status/1301717874546028544?s=21 The NYT article on his death is incredible. So many vagaries, so much passive voice. Dude got straight-up Fred Hampton'd. quote:Law enforcement agents shot and killed an antifa supporter on Thursday as they moved to arrest him in the fatal shooting of a right-wing activist who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., officials said.
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Darth Walrus posted:The NYT article on his death is incredible. So many vagaries, so much passive voice. Dude got straight-up Fred Hampton'd. Look, sometimes gunfire just is, y'know?
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I assumed the airmen who admitted to having chemical weapons did that because it was true. i never thought they got tortured more than the usual pow did at the time. showing those guys pictures of victims and having them meet victims of bombing attacks, especially children probably changed their views. I think i first heard someone on chapo say that everything that we said the communisits were doing were things that we were doing. its pretty obvious thats true.
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I think the truth is probably more in the middle and that all sides in these conflicts are guilty of crimes to differing degrees. the only example comes to mind is the presence of communist spies in western governments like silvermaster in the states. in Canada, we had the Genzouku Affair, where a Soviet diplomat in Canada defected to Canada with files showing soviet domestic spying, triggering the Cold War in Canada that being said, I don’t know the literature of Soviet war crimes akin to CIA operations, but if you look at how Stalin treated Noah Field and company, who I believe Allen Dulles lied and said was working for the CIA, the ferocity is there. e: I’m guessing the alphabet agencies probably knew plenty about what the enemy was doing but good luck trusting them with everything else we have been talking about nut has issued a correction as of 15:15 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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ptkfvk posted:I think i first heard someone on chapo say that everything that we said the communisits were doing were things that we were doing. its pretty obvious thats true. that was Vincent Bevin when he was interviewed for The Jakarta Method. Anti-communists would make up all sorts of lurid stories about what communists were doing... except they were the ones doing it
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for news https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54003527 International Criminal Court officials sanctioned by US “BBC” posted:The US has imposed sanctions on senior officials in the International Criminal Court (ICC), including chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda. e: as to how it’s connected to the thread, American PMC Dyncorp is notorious for its involvement in human trafficking internationally, including in Afghanistan https://medium.com/@elBuho/hillary-clinton-and-dyncorp-the-unknown-story-of-the-15-year-old-belly-dancer-2587b2552a54 nut has issued a correction as of 16:19 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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jojoinnit posted:Or people just said their piece and didn't want to continue a derail, especially when the relevant poster is no longer here? I get crack-pinging but if you think any dissent is an op instead of a reader going "wait wtf" and feeling the need to say why that bothers them then you're pretty far gone. well yeah, i mean i assume we're all mostly joking when we refer to derails as an op, at most it's just people being mischievous trying to get the thread gassed. just post thru it regardless. when they go low... this aside, i liked the rest of your post.
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gh0stpinballa posted:well yeah, i mean i assume we're all mostly joking when we refer to derails as an op, at most it's just people being mischievous trying to get the thread gassed. just post thru it regardless. when they go low... Ah yeah fair. I honestly can no longer read tone in this thread so my bad.
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jojoinnit posted:Ah yeah fair. I honestly can no longer read tone in this thread so my bad. no worries, i feel the same way lol
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I'd still like to know more about Safariland and how it maintains its secrecy by being in the literal middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania
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Zook posted:The guy who shot the MAGA dude appears to be an mkultra victim who's been recently liquidated. No political posts at all, then a shitload of acid, then he's suddenly hardcore antifa out of nowhere. I’m in Portland and my bf started telling me about the shooting and i started to get a lot of crack ping about it. I’ve been keeping my distance from a lot of the conspiracy stuff for mental health reasons but now it’s unavoidable.
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I'll be honest that I've yet to read it but I've seen The Hidden History of the Korean War, 1950-1951 by I.F. Stone cited a couple times and it's notable in that it was never published in America and Che Guevara claims that copies of it in Mexico had been hoovered up by American actors.
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Isn't this similar to how the Las Vegas Vegas was a regular guy who just suddenly snapped too? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock Wikipedia posted:There were also a number of laptops in the suite, one of which was missing a hard drive.[55] Computer forensics discovered hundreds of images of child pornography on the laptops.[88] 
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Backweb posted:Isn't this similar to how the Las Vegas Vegas was a regular guy who just suddenly snapped too? and the Canadian in portapique who pretended to be a cop but people are thinking was either a CI or maybe undercover agent for the RCMP and, speaking of pretend cops, maybe the guy who drove into those protestors https://gothamist.com/news/video-pro-trump-counterprotesters-received-nypd-escort-driving-through-black-lives-matter-march “The vehicle’s license plate matches that of another car frequently shared on social media by Hakim Gibson, a pro-NYPD activist who currently runs a “law enforcement support page.” The Ford Taurus appears to be a former police car purchased from a police auction. According to Facebook posts, Gibson recently outfitted the car with a push bumper and spotlight, joking online that other drivers had often mistaken him for a police officer.”
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the dude had FULL SHEETS OF BLOTTER PAPER and got arrested going 111mph drunk with a kid in the car and the charges were dropped, it’s mkultra
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inferis posted:the dude had FULL SHEETS OF BLOTTER PAPER and got arrested going 111mph drunk with a kid in the car and the charges were dropped, it’s mkultra He got sent home without arrest I thought This guy did the driving of the Canuck back to his house after being the second shooter with paddock
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Message for cuppy tea: This is Aiwass from the Ashtar Galactic Command. Agents of the Zeta Reticuli star system have infiltrated the mod team. They have begun a damage control and smear campaign. The low spiritual vibration of forum members prevent them from seeing outside consensus reality. Do not be discouraged. Help is on the way. End transmission.
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mastershakeman posted:He got sent home without arrest I thought yeah my mistake, at this point I’m going full crack ping and I’m not sure this person exists or has actually been killed
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mastershakeman posted:This guy did the driving of the Canuck back to his house after being the second shooter with paddock lol and just in case, I don’t think they’re connected, just that the police seem to favour working with people with significant right wing tendencies for CIs and that enabling such people can lead to extreme uncontrollable circumstance the blotter paper is nuts but I also suspect that with all those unprosecuted charges, that “antifa” shooter could be blackmailed real easily. it’s hard to see him as particularly noble with the reports of giving relatives’ addresses to avoid debt collectors or stealing his moms seizure meds (in the nyt article)
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the phrase ‘I am 100% antifa all the way’ was sus enough
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Can someone fill me in on the details of the photoshopped in-and-out story
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Happy Thread posted:Can someone fill me in on the details of the photoshopped in-and-out story The NY Post did an article about just randomly spotting Ghislaine at an In-N-Out in LA, here. It included some photos; one of them had a poster at a bus stop, advertising a recent movie. Close examination suggested that this poster in particular was photoshopped into the image. Also, soon after the article came out, at least one person in the area said that the bus stop hadn't ever had that poster. There were also some other oddly blatant photoshopped details, additional unused images in the web page's directory (IIRC), and the detail in the article about her reading a book about the lives and deaths of spies (the photos don't show anything identifying about the book). The most likely explanation IMO is that the photos were taken at some point previously, the photoshopping was primarily to make them appear current, and the story was planted in order to throw someone off Maxwell's trail.
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worth pointing out that the NY Post, where the pic was published, has a lot of ties to Epstein through reporter Larry Celona. I was convinced there was a specific tie between him and the in-n-out pic, but maybe I dreamt it up or am misremembering something. Celona had exclusive scoops about Epstein's attempted suicide, successful suicide, and pictures of the body. Looking back further, Celona exclusively broke JFK's death and Kubrick's Death after Kubrick made Eyes Wide Open, the movie that includes this fictional newspaper story by Celona. Celona was inexplicably hired as a consultant for the movie.  Oh and Celona was on the flight manifest.
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Speaking of Larry Celona, guess who makes a little cameo in that netflix 
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wait wtf https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1302088001384669189?s=19
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It's a QAnon thing.
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She's not alone, plenty of people are controlled by cum
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@nut I got the same RCMP college spying book on my desk right now plus an older one about the CIA bombing the Cuban trade association in Montreal called Men in the Shadows
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Wasabi the J posted:It's a QAnon thing. that's a QAnon thing?
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Suplex Liberace posted:@nut I got the same RCMP college spying book on my desk right now plus an older one about the CIA bombing the Cuban trade association in Montreal called Men in the Shadows definitely gonna grab that!
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Wasabi the J posted:It's a QAnon thing. what do you mean? like an insider reference? rose isn't q friendly is she, afaik...
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 Christiane Amanpour Ghislaine Maxwell .... just expressions of a common phenotype, nothing to see here.
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A Real Hologram posted:
This is too much please stop
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