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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

feedmegin posted:

Try asking for Sprite next time. I assume Canada does the US thing where lemonade isn't carbonated and instead has actual lemons in.

Edit: 1928, King Zog of Albania is crowned. Kneel before Zog.

Just an FYI this is not a US thing, but a rest of the world thing. Possibly with the exception of like, NZ and Aus because they imported a lot of nonsense from the UK?

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StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
At Uni the flat I lived in with 4 other blokes discovered homebrewing. As this was 5 nerds on sci/eng courses this got industrialised to the point of insanity. We were using biocide borrowed from the labs to sterilise equipment, had a fully logged and temp controlled production line in place and were cranking out 80 bottles a week like clockwork until eventually we drilled holes in an abandoned 1/2 height fridge to hold 2 cornelius kegs with taps. We'd have 2 kegs on tap while 2 were conditioning at all times.

I am still amazed we didn't poison ourselves, the beer was never amazing but was always drinkable. The cider was a step too far, topped out at 9% and we dragged a keg of it down to the meadows on the 2 days of Edinburgh summer. I woke up sunburnt to a crisp hugging the keg with my arms covered in random doodles and phone numbers. When I got back to the flat I found one of my flatmates asleep on the floor with his eyes open.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I haven't drunk since March and I plan to stay off it 4life. It is really no good for you if you are prone to mental health problems

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I keep intending to buy some booze but I just never get around to it. It's also very expensive here and most times I am near Alko (state booze monopoly) I have often bought a shitload of groceries and stuff and don't feel like burning more money. I am very cheap so I guess this hinders my efforts at increasing my alcohol consumption. I should get some baileys (or rather some cheap knockoff) to put in my coffee.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I hadn't really been keeping track until I was asked as a matter of routine about my alcohol consumption by a doctor a couple of weeks ago and I responded rather indignantly like an old lady that I don't drink and the reaction somewhat surprised me

Filboid Studge
Oct 1, 2010
And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Miftan posted:

Just an FYI this is not a US thing, but a rest of the world thing. Possibly with the exception of like, NZ and Aus because they imported a lot of nonsense from the UK?

Afaik it’s because clear carbonated lemonade was a process patented by R Whites and done under license in the UK and Oz. American fizzy drinks were made on the spot in chemist’s shops.

According to some work done by a distant cousin, my great-great-great-uncle was transported to Australia at 14 for stealing a hankie. The family up to my grandad were all coppersmiths in the East End (my great-grandad was president of their union around WW1) and the brother of this poor kid developed a vessel capable of transporting pressurised stuff over distances. Ended up with R Whites, turned them into a big concern, found his brother in Oz (after like 15 years) and put him in charge of distribution for Oz and NZ. Dude ended up with the modern equivalent of a million quid in his will, not bad for an unlucky urchin from the Mile End Road.

In other news, I’ve been wondering how the hell Johnson thinks they’re going to survive the food shortages in spring. Horrible feeling they’re going to Peterloo it, lots of Are Boys excitedly post away on their forums about how they’d love the chance to open up on UK civilians.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

crispix posted:

I hadn't really been keeping track until I was asked as a matter of routine about my alcohol consumption by a doctor a couple of weeks ago and I responded rather indignantly like an old lady that I don't drink and the reaction somewhat surprised me

I find the docs don't really believe that I don't do alcohol! 15 years now!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Mebh posted:

God tartrazine, sunset yellow and quinoloine yellow had my mum yelling at me in the 90s to check for e numbers in everything we ate and blaming everything on them as they gave me 'hyperactivity' I think I was just a child reacting to sugar which I had never really had.
You can still get bags of tartrazine and use it as a salt circle to keep out Karens.

Miftan posted:

Just an FYI this is not a US thing, but a rest of the world thing. Possibly with the exception of like, NZ and Aus because they imported a lot of nonsense from the UK?
Speaking of caring about tartrazine in tyool 2020 and slightly alien units:


'Sprite' is mostly a sign of undue influence from The Coca-Cola Company.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Guavanaut posted:

You can still get bags of tartrazine and use it as a salt circle to keep out Karens.

Speaking of caring about tartrazine in tyool 2020 and slightly alien units:


'Sprite' is mostly a sign of undue influence from The Coca-Cola Company.

"Low in kilojoules"

(Yes I know some countries use that rather than kcal, but it still makes me giggle, like if it said "Coca Cola: Only 0.24 kWh per bottle!")

SpiritOfLenin
Apr 29, 2013

be happy :3


Finnish morning news speak of Boris Johnson giving a "deadline" to the EU for when the negotiations have to be complete, is what happened just as stupid as it sounds like? It feels like Boris should be the one trying to meet a deadline, not the other way around.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Filboid Studge posted:


In other news, I’ve been wondering how the hell Johnson thinks they’re going to survive the food shortages in spring. Horrible feeling they’re going to Peterloo it, lots of Are Boys excitedly post away on their forums about how they’d love the chance to open up on UK civilians.

By Spring the Army are going to be busy burying the better part of half a million bodies.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

SpiritOfLenin posted:

Finnish morning news speak of Boris Johnson giving a "deadline" to the EU for when the negotiations have to be complete, is what happened just as stupid as it sounds like? It feels like Boris should be the one trying to meet a deadline, not the other way around.
It's essentially like if he stood there with a pistol to his head and issued a deadline for when you have to talk him out of pulling the trigger.

And also all the rest of our heads but lol if the EU gives a poo poo about that.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bobstar posted:

"Low in kilojoules"

(Yes I know some countries use that rather than kcal, but it still makes me giggle, like if it said "Coca Cola: Only 0.24 kWh per bottle!")
I'm honestly surprised that the UK didn't insist on R. White's Lemonade: 557 BTU per can!

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Filboid Studge posted:

In other news, I’ve been wondering how the hell Johnson thinks they’re going to survive the food shortages in spring. Horrible feeling they’re going to Peterloo it, lots of Are Boys excitedly post away on their forums about how they’d love the chance to open up on UK civilians.

He's been watching this series and taking down notes, you might as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsU5s0ofYo

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


crispix posted:

I haven't drunk since March and I plan to stay off it 4life. It is really no good for you if you are prone to mental health problems

Definitely. I haven't cut it out completely but after a spell of being very poor I went a long time without much, occasional glass of wine or whisky when I visited the folks. I was very much a binge drinker and it had gone hand in hand with my worse self-harm attempts.

Now I just don't buy vodka and mostly stick to whisky when I want to drink because a bottle at £35 to £40 is too expensive to want to not savour.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
The EU state aid rules are loving poo poo

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Serious question, do other countries actually follow the state aid rules at all?

Because I always get the general impression that, say, France props up its industries massively but it's impossible to know if that's at all accurate with our godawful media.

Filboid Studge
Oct 1, 2010
And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

His Divine Shadow posted:

He's been watching this series and taking down notes, you might as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsU5s0ofYo

I already grow about half of my own veg, and I want to rent the small field behind my house to do some CSA. But Britain hasn’t been food-secure in an awfully long time, except briefly during the war, and it’ll take years to get there. At least during the war there were *some* imports

SpiritOfLenin
Apr 29, 2013

be happy :3


OwlFancier posted:

It's essentially like if he stood there with a pistol to his head and issued a deadline for when you have to talk him out of pulling the trigger.

And also all the rest of our heads but lol if the EU gives a poo poo about that.

So the news were completely accurate. I knew deep in my heart the news had to be accurate, but I just had to check. It was reported just so dryly that I just thought "that can't be right, that sounds like its a bit", but no, of course its true.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

SpiritOfLenin posted:

So the news were completely accurate. I knew deep in my heart the news had to be accurate, but I just had to check. It was reported just so dryly that I just thought "that can't be right, that sounds like its a bit", but no, of course its true.

Basically everything our government does is so dumb or corrupt it sounds like a bit.

I can't remember where I saw a thing comparing the UK today to the final days of the soviet union but I don't think it was too far off.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Filboid Studge posted:

In other news, I’ve been wondering how the hell Johnson thinks they’re going to survive the food shortages in spring. Horrible feeling they’re going to Peterloo it, lots of Are Boys excitedly post away on their forums about how they’d love the chance to open up on UK civilians.
I'm not sure what kind of monster that would unbox, but looking at the Extremely Normal things coming out of the US at the moment I can guess.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Everything you've heard about it is true.

Everything? I worked in an off licence near a half-way house and the regular Buckfast buyers had some peculiar ideas on it.

SpiritOfLenin posted:

So the news were completely accurate. I knew deep in my heart the news had to be accurate, but I just had to check. It was reported just so dryly that I just thought "that can't be right, that sounds like its a bit", but no, of course its true.

The EU said that we had until the end of October to sort a deal in time for it to be ratified and Boris has basically said "no YOU have until the 15th of October".

Lungboy fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Sep 7, 2020

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






SpiritOfLenin posted:

Finnish morning news speak of Boris Johnson giving a "deadline" to the EU for when the negotiations have to be complete, is what happened just as stupid as it sounds like? It feels like Boris should be the one trying to meet a deadline, not the other way around.
A lot of people have been theorising that the Tory Brexit strategy under Johnson is to go no-deal but present it in such a way to the British public that any negative repercussions are entirely the fault of the EU, and not the individuals and the party that set us down that road.

It will 100% work.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Miftan posted:

Just an FYI this is not a US thing, but a rest of the world thing. Possibly with the exception of like, NZ and Aus because they imported a lot of nonsense from the UK?

Then the rest of the world is wrong :colbert:

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Filboid Studge posted:

I already grow about half of my own veg, and I want to rent the small field behind my house to do some CSA.

Please do not do any Confederate States of America, in a small field or otherwise

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


peanut- posted:

Serious question, do other countries actually follow the state aid rules at all?

Because I always get the general impression that, say, France props up its industries massively but it's impossible to know if that's at all accurate with our godawful media.
I do remember from undergrad that there's loving tonnes of cases where France has implemented some kind of protectionist policies & found themselves on the losing end of legal proceedings about it

That being so, there's probably a bunch of case law on exactly how far countries can get away with pushing it, and (as ever) it's probably occasionally more profitable to just break the law & pay the fines, but yeah countries do follow the rules for the most part

Apart from France

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Angepain posted:

Please do not do any Confederate States of America, in a small field or otherwise
Or, um, the other kind of CSA

e: the one that starts with "child"

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Angepain posted:

Please do not do any Confederate States of America, in a small field or otherwise

Fields are a particularly unfortunate place to do some Confederate States of America.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

feedmegin posted:

Then the rest of the world is wrong :colbert:
Southern and Eastern Africa has default lemonade as the clear fizzy stuff, which makes me think it looks more like:


Except India has their own thing going on. As they probably should, they invented it.

Angepain posted:

Please do not do any Confederate States of America, in a small field or otherwise
That's the Brexit plan, isn't it? :ohdear:

Borrovan posted:

Or, um, the other kind of CSA

e: the one that starts with "child"
Roy Moore did both.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


His Divine Shadow posted:

He's been watching this series and taking down notes, you might as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsU5s0ofYo

Everyone else must be using a VPN, because this is geolocked for me.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
My company has been expanding into Germany over the last year or so and I've been shocked by how utterly closed-shop protectionist it is. Like, I'm sure it's extremely compliant with the letter of EU law, but every bureaucratic and regulatory thing has been set up to make sure absolutely nothing actually gets done outside of Germany, no business can be taken out of Germany without massive expense and headache, and German firms are advantaged in almost everything.

Nothing wrong with that mind you. We're the idiots for not being that way.

Goldskull
Feb 20, 2011

winegums posted:


Pubs aren't really socialising spaces - they're predominantly "get drunk enough to think a nightclub is a good idea" spaces. Old fashioned student union pubs or old man pubs are rare - you make more money with loud music and limited seating so people aren't chatting. This makes the whole pipeline just about pre-drinks, then out drinks, then nightclub drinks +/- having a sex.

Unless you're talking exclusively about poo poo towny pubs, saying boozers aren't socialising spaces is just utter bollocks. Every single person, at every pub I've been to since most re-opened has commented in one way or another how much they've missed physical social interaction. The only reason I go to pubs is social interaction, the drinking is a happy side effect. You certainly don't make more money actively spurning people with loud music and no chairs, they're not fast food joints & I have no idea where you get that idea from. Like what pubs are you going in where people are coming in, purchasing a drink & jogging on to the next one without talking to each other?

More drinks chat: Until one of the regulars took a serious tumble, the house drink for the alcoholics at the WMC was pint glass/bottle of Holsten Pils/bottle of Strawberry Mad Dog 20/20, and gently caress that on several levels.

Worked an Xmas do laid on for directors of a 'Leisure Complex' & their friends, and the younger end (re: scions of rich pricks) there were going loving wild on stupid drinks - everybody wanted either Moet or BMWs, (Baileys/Malibu/Whiskey) as a 'cocktail', and by around 9pm they're asking for triples of such (ie 9 shots in a glass & baileys comes as a double) to which I was outright refusing. Cue an argument with the bar manager telling me 'just serve them what they want, they're technically our bosses' compared to 'we cannot serve that much alcohol in a glass we will go to prison when these daft fuckers either poison themselves or choke on their tongues'. They're not paying, I just served them singles & nobody said anything else. Come around 2am when it's finally finishing up I was picking up essentially untouched glasses of that shite from everywhere.
(edit: I will point out the 'bar manager' was a guy who had put money into the place and had less experience running a bar than I did. I was 18 at the time)

Also Red Bull with Jager is an abomination. Jager should be a shot on it's own served as icey cold as possible.

Goldskull fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Sep 7, 2020

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

peanut- posted:

Serious question, do other countries actually follow the state aid rules at all?

Because I always get the general impression that, say, France props up its industries massively but it's impossible to know if that's at all accurate with our godawful media.

AIUI there are loads of get-out clauses and loopholes in the state aid rules. Or they can be circumvented altogether and the government in question can just eat the fine/finger-wagging that follows.

Like most of the UK's relationship with the EU, it comes down to British governments using Europe as an excuse for why they can't do things that they were never going to do anyway for ideological reasons.

State aid is permitted under the EU rules of there is a strong social case, to support the economy of a recognised 'disadvantsged area', to help restructure a company or to switch to or create desirable technology or products (i.e. green tech). Then there are different rules for aid coming from central government versus regional/local government (more generous to the latter), aid to a specific business versus a particular region or sector, and the restrictions are much more lenient for small businesses or start-ups. And, with sufficient time, there are ways of appealing for a dispensation in specific cases - the French government gave Peugeot a €570 million restructuring grant in 2013 with the blessing of the EU Plus the rules don't apply at all if the industry/business is deemed strategic or economically essential.

So often it only takes a little creativity or willingness on the part of a government to comply with the rules. And if they break the rules the fines are often risible for the amount of aid given - the Greek government got needled for giving an ALCOA aluminium plant special low rates on electricity for over 30 years from the 1960s onwards but the EU could only directly identify about €30 million in misgained profits which were then recovered over many years. Volkswagen and Airbus semi-regularly get fined €100+ million for breaching state aid rules, when their operating income is in the billions.

And - despite what the press often says - the EU rules don't forbid government ownership of businesses and infrastructure. The EU rules on railways, say, just require that the finances of the track owner and the train operator are kept separately and transparently. But both can be owned by the state and be part of the same corporate structure. Nothing in the EU regs says you have to sell your rail system off piecemeal to a load of banks and bus companies so they can lease everything back to each other while receiving many times more in government subsidy than British Rail ever did. That's a British speciality :britain:

Just like it was never the EU's 'fault' that we didn't have blue passports and could have had them at any time, or that British trawler owners chose to sell their quotas to overseas vessels, or that the Home Office wasn't capable of enforcing the provisos in the EU right to reside requirements (probably a good thing, but the gammons wouldn't agree).

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Mar 19, 2004

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Filboid Studge
Oct 1, 2010
And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Guavanaut posted:

I'm not sure what kind of monster that would unbox, but looking at the Extremely Normal things coming out of the US at the moment I can guess.


As someone from the Norn Iron diaspora I didn’t imagine 5 years ago that my local population not having access to weaponry would be what made me nervous

Filboid Studge
Oct 1, 2010
And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

Angepain posted:

Please do not do any Confederate States of America, in a small field or otherwise

Ah demand the raht to secede this cornah of the Rhymney Valley from the damned Welsh Labour carpetbaggahs in Cardiff.

Here I stand. I can do no other.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I just read on the grown up bbc news that the corona virus is now all the fault of these silly young people, one presumes with their galavanting and all lascivious cavorting activities and whatnot https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54056771

I think the government should do something and crack down on this nonsense!!!!! :mad:

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008
Universal Credit chat:

After convincing them that I am, in fact me - I have received a total of £80 for the time since I left work in July...
This is because work pays out on the 26th of the month, and I got a grand total of £500-odd sick pay.

If I'd waited 3 days to claim, I'd be £330 better off.
(I've appealed it and been told to gently caress off politely).


If anyone here is going to have to claim with furlough etc winding down

Wait until any money you're owed has been paid or it will count against you

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Guavanaut posted:

I'm not sure what kind of monster that would unbox, but looking at the Extremely Normal things coming out of the US at the moment I can guess.


LOL I do find funny the American lefts attempt to embrace guns as if it helps anything.

I guess they can make the fascist takeover as blood as possible/shoot their mates accidentally.

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Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1302583276629037059

Good to know we're even a laughing stock in Australia.

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