liveoctopus posted:

This bit is a CK2 rule that isn't true anymore. As long as they're a lower rank, they'll become your vassal. They don't need to already be one. It's very nice!

The only real downside is they're often somebody of a foreign culture, so you get more land in one go but a vassal who doesn't like you as much compared to you claiming the land yourself and handing it out to people of your own culture. I mean, sure, they'll love you at first, but a generation later it's somebody wondering why this foreign swine is their liege. The modifier isn't that big, though, it just adds a bit to your just-after-succession problems.

Martout posted:

Great stuff, Björn Ironside, having elephants as your cultural fascination, top rank

AnEdgelord posted:

The only thing I really miss from Ck2 is artifacts, I liked having my own personal Armory/Reliquary/Library full of oddities made by my ancestors or found on a crusade.

JosefStalinator posted:

This and societies are the two biggest glaring omissions from CK3, and while I'm sure they'll come back in later DLC, it would have been nice to have ALL the old content at the start.

UrbicaMortis posted:

You'd have to buy it on gamepass to keep the save data, I'm pretty sure. I guess you might be able to find where the saves are in the files and paste them over if you bought it on Steam?

Xbox app is it's own store so it won't go in your steam library.

Might be worth trying in gamepass and then, if you like it and want it on Steam, buy it there after you've finished with your campaign on gamepass so losing the saves doesn't matter. Most people don't play to the end. I've just finished conquering Britain as Ireland and now I'm going to start as someone new and probably won't touch those old saves again.

Jeza posted:

So I'm Anglifying parts of Wales, will the children and heirs of my Welsh vassals eventually turn culturally Anglo-Saxon? Or will there forever be a rash of Welshies until they get usurped?

cheesetriangles posted:

Please don't bring back societies.

cheesetriangles posted:

Please don't bring back societies.

Reveilled posted:

I think the way every single lifestyle tree feels genuinely useful is probably my favourite thing about this whole game. Back in CK2 it was basically Stewardship or Martial when small, and then Diplomacy once big, but all of the trees have really awesome abilities in them such that I don't at all feel like my heir has to get a good diplomacy education to be worth a drat, and the fact you're not locked in to your education too is a huge benefit. My previous emperor had a good stewardship education, but after picking up a few talents on the right tree, I switched to Scholarship for the rest of his life and by the end of it he was rocking 32 Learning, had Converted the realm to a Gnostic-Incestuous version of Insular Christianity, and unlocked our first High Medieval Innovation. What a champ.

Lawman 0 posted:

Hard disagree with stewardship being good as a non vassal except for a quick detour into avarice for money and hooks and discounted man at arms for being a complete dreadful bastard. The administration and architecture trees very much seem like a thing you so for when you managed to snag a strong complete duchy with primogeniture or something in the hre and want to spend a lifetime pimping your heirs ride to the imperial crown.
Whole of body is also kinda trash to complete (BUT VERY USEFUL TO DIP INTO) and would probably be massively improved if it allowed you to transform your court into the stress free dictatorship of the swoleteriant superhumans. Scholarship is correctly identified as bonkers good and basically let's you skip other trees. Theologian is... situationally ok.
Overseerer seems pretty bad except I usually dip into the first perk for free dread. Strategist is pretty good if you are gonna be constantly warmongering but gets strong competition from chivalry turning you and your knightly lads into gods of war and the bedroom. So I think there is a temptation to split the difference.
Intrigue seems pretty powerful with probably the best first pick (from seduction) and focus of the game for a cool +50% fertility out of the gate. While the other two trees have some extremely powerful options and synergies but you can only pick one unless you wanna fill out one and reset perks later.
Diplomacy seems good as both a dip and a main focus. It's only been in the last couple of days that I finally realized how bonkers this life style can be for muslims and pagans because of their specific gimmicks. Lots of good stuff for everyone in here but the diplomat tree and the later parts of the family tree seem a bit weak. But the prestige one has incredibly bonkers syngeries with other trees.
Man I wrote alot.
Tldr: stewardship, seduction, diplomat, whole of bosy and overseerer trees probably need a little rework but otherwise they are pretty fun and engaging to work with.

Davincie posted:

Reveilled posted:

No way, the administration tree is extremely useful for an independent ruler, there's perks for increasing vassal opinion (especially councillors) and increasing the rate at which tyranny decays. If you've taken most of those perks and make sure your powerful vassals are on the council, you can just straight up revoke multiple duchies without claims at once with impunity. Another perk in that tree makes vassals outside your de jure much easier to manage, and in addition to the development perks in the architect tree, there's also one for increasing popular opinion in your counties, which means you can easily rule over an entire domain of wrong culture/religion counties without difficulty.

Excelzior posted:

compromise - add in ckii societies but also Hard and Very Hard difficulty

i'm sorry but if I will crush the AI every single time if I am not penalized because the AI is incredibly dumb and predictable

Hazzard posted:

I'm missing something playing this. I did a short playthrough as the Kingdom of Astorias and got attacked by the Muslims to the South. They had over 3k men to throw at me.
I play as said Muslims and get little over 1k and Astorias gets over 2k. I'm on normal difficulty, but feel like the AI gets ridiculous bonuses. Is there some game mechanic I'm missing?

Captain Oblivious posted:

The worst part of starting 867 is getting the heck out of Confederate Partition. Regular Partition and up are totally fine but Confederate suuuuuucks

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Regular partition basically looks the same?

So is the difference that if I have multiple king-level titles, I could destroy the other ones and prevent anyone from inheriting those titles and thus leaving the realm as independents? Whereas in Confederate Partition those titles would be recreated and handed out to other heirs?

Lawman 0 posted:

Hard disagree with stewardship being good as a non vassal except for a quick detour into avarice for money and hooks and discounted man at arms for being a complete dreadful bastard. The administration and architecture trees very much seem like a thing you so for when you managed to snag a strong complete duchy with primogeniture or something in the hre and want to spend a lifetime pimping your heirs ride to the imperial crown.
Whole of body is also kinda trash to complete (BUT VERY USEFUL TO DIP INTO) and would probably be massively improved if it allowed you to transform your court into the stress free dictatorship of the swoleteriant superhumans. Scholarship is correctly identified as bonkers good and basically let's you skip other trees. Theologian is... situationally ok.
Overseerer seems pretty bad except I usually dip into the first perk for free dread. Strategist is pretty good if you are gonna be constantly warmongering but gets strong competition from chivalry turning you and your knightly lads into gods of war and the bedroom. So I think there is a temptation to split the difference.
Intrigue seems pretty powerful with probably the best first pick (from seduction) and focus of the game for a cool +50% fertility out of the gate. While the other two trees have some extremely powerful options and synergies but you can only pick one unless you wanna fill out one and reset perks later.
Diplomacy seems good as both a dip and a main focus. It's only been in the last couple of days that I finally realized how bonkers this life style can be for muslims and pagans because of their specific gimmicks. Lots of good stuff for everyone in here but the diplomat tree and the later parts of the family tree seem a bit weak. But the prestige one has incredibly bonkers syngeries with other trees.
Man I wrote alot.
Tldr: stewardship, seduction, diplomat, whole of bosy and overseerer trees probably need a little rework but otherwise they are pretty fun and engaging to work with.

canada jezus posted:

What are everyone's favorite lifestyles? I know the "best" ones are probably whatever you need atm (and stewardship in general), but like just favorites? I quite love the torturer/intrigue one. Just everyone poo poo scared of you, kidnapping motherfuckers and torturing them for funsies. Diplomacy is great though, make friends, everyone loving you, tons of prestige. Learning is situational but cool. I haven't played any martial characters yet, but i think that'll be my next game. Try to stack up knight effectiveness bonus and roleplay family power ranger killing peasants.


edit: Also can i get into weird witchcraft stuff? Haven't seen any of that yet.

Gyshall posted:

What is the earliest/best "Tutorial Island" start for tribals?

Randarkman posted:

There's very early perks in the Gallant tree that specifically makes it less dangerous. With a good ruler with decent martial and prowess and some perks filled in I actually find it really good to have lead him armies and not that dangerous. Risks of course, but I'll take them.