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Abroham Lincoln posted:didn't meltzer invoke hana's name in a lovely defense of will ospreay And in defense of Cornette There might have been one in defense of Riddle too, I remember Dave bringing her up a lot this summer to excuse terrible behavior I agree with this too though obviously, and I’m glad Ryback deleted his bad tweet Insertnamehere31 posted:Yes but that doesn’t make ryback’s statement any less lovely Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Chris James 2 posted:And in defense of Cornette Dave definitely seemed to take that talent over abuse and did some protecting. It was gross and one of those times where I wish a younger, more in touch wrestling journalist had really taken some of these people to the coals. Because what actually did happen was not enough.
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Sep 8, 2020 00:51
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Chris James 2 posted:And in defense of Cornette that's not what happened and you're deliberately misconstruing things here. the entire point he was making is people shouldn't form hate mobs on social media when not taking into account people's mental status, like ospreay's well documented issues with depression. is what ospreay did to pollyanna absolutely lovely? yeah it is. should he face reprimandation and do everything in his power to make things right? absolutely, that should be his priority. does that make it okay for people to tell him to kill himself? no.
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DM Punk posted:Marty Jannetty status: STILL INSANE This is a pretty tame take to be honest. I'm sure most of white America feels this way. (Which is loving sad obviously.)
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Abroham Lincoln posted:of course. threats aren't excusable, but I think people being mad at him for irresponsible journalism or defending lovely people is also perfectly reasonable. That's not what's happening here.
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JOHN CENA posted:that's not what happened and you're deliberately misconstruing things here. the entire point he was making is people shouldn't form hate mobs on social media when not taking into account people's mental status, like ospreay's well documented issues with depression. is what ospreay did to pollyanna absolutely lovely? yeah it is. should he face reprimandation and do everything in his power to make things right? absolutely, that should be his priority. does that make it okay for people to tell him to kill himself? no. Yeah, as someone who had dealt with enough suicide in my life and has since I was like 14 (and... worse things from an even younger age), both personally and through friends and family, it made me so uncomfortable to see people basically spitting on Ospreay and doubting the veracity of what he was saying here when his post about dealing with depression and suicide following the Pollyanna stuff being surfaced again (and Hana's suicide, I assure you, if you're prone to depression, a friend or family member doing it triggers a lot of downward cycles that it's hard to pull up from) that it's really turned me off from posting in this subforum. I've been through enough to know to never ever ever ever ever express skepticism about someone's mental state, no matter how you feel about them in that moment. Especially when all most of us ever see of a lot of people's lives is simply the tip of icebergs. In short, 
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Arbite posted:That's not what's happening here. to me it really does seem like irresponsible journalism, directing blame to one person over a situation with multiple contributing factors; AJ talking about covid and backstage politics on his stream, Big E and Paige and others raking in money from Cameo and Twitch that the company blatantly wants a cut of, etc. it's a pretty careless maneuver to direct it towards Lana, and potentially just forwarding blame from whoever his source is that wants to throw her under the bus if you believe her take (and I don't see why you wouldn't.)
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Sep 8, 2020 01:57
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"straw that broke the camel's back" does a lot of carrying here and I guess it depends on how you take that. I don't read it as casting blame on Lana because to me that just means it was incident number whatever out of a bunch that lead to this change. It has nothing to do with Lana or what she did outside of bad luck. Obviously other people interpret it as blame towards Lana.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:03
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It says volumes about people working for WWE and fans online where they're blaming Dave for reporting and not you know the crazy man trying to kill social media for his independent contractors
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Abroham Lincoln posted:didn't meltzer invoke hana's name in a lovely defense of will ospreay
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In a world where WWE women have people breaking into their homes to kidnap and murder them, singling out Lana like that is a bad look
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Gumball Gumption posted:"straw that broke the camel's back" does a lot of carrying here and I guess it depends on how you take that. I don't read it as casting blame on Lana because to me that just means it was incident number whatever out of a bunch that lead to this change. It has nothing to do with Lana or what she did outside of bad luck. Obviously other people interpret it as blame towards Lana. I think the very nature of the statement is meant to cast blame since the situation is so muddy otherwise, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if a backstage source was trying to put the blame on her through Meltzer. It's also just lovely that all it does is detract from the point of it being a corporation trying to own independent contractors' legal names and control their outside income, too.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:18
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its almost 100% because AJ said he had corona on his twitch and WWE is real loving jumpy to make sure people dont say they had it.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:25
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Which reminds me, in addition to selling masks, WWE is now selling WWE-branded hand sanitizer while continuing to never mention or acknowledge that COVID exists.
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If the metaphorical straw had been AJ and Covid I'm sure Metlzer would have done the exact same thing with the morsel and this wouldn't even be an issue. There's merit to some degree of condemnation of Metlzer because he SHOULD have been aware that the person being a woman would matter for the public reaction, but at the end of the day it was reported as a fact which adds relevant context to a really important news story of WWE Corporate Fuckery, the exposure of which is an objective good and exactly what journalism is for. Blaming the reporter instead of the perpetrator and/or the harassers and attempting to damage the reporter's credibility, which is what Miroslav and Lana and now Ryback are doing, is both absurd and self-destructive. All that said, Criticizing how the reporter handled the reporting on the other hand is entirely reasonable. For example: He could have made the information more anonymous (although that would have made the story easier to muddy or deny, so there's a tradeoff there), he could have attempted to coordinate with Lana in releasing the information (although that carries risks, especially now that we've seen how she's reacting after the fact), he could have just left the detail out entirely because the story didn't necessarily need it (although the exact nature of the thing that tipped the scales for WWE IS valuable information in the story both for the public record and the workers who are being victimized by this policy). There's room for Metlzer to have been in the wrong here to some degree, and how he handled it merits scrutiny. But that doesn't make the reaction to what he did do from any of those three reasonable.
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Jerusalem posted:Which reminds me, in addition to selling masks, WWE is now selling WWE-branded hand sanitizer while continuing to never mention or acknowledge that COVID exists. https://twitter.com/TonyKegger/status/1302994903799140352
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Sep 8, 2020 02:37
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KungFu Grip posted:its almost 100% because AJ said he had corona on his twitch and WWE is real loving jumpy to make sure people dont say they had it. This. The Vince email even said something about making the company look bad as the official reason he wanted them to shut down their social media. I see it as Vince, a man who views sneezing as a sign of existential weakness, saw that AJ admitted to getting a disease as "I can't have my superstars admit to being sick. Coz if you get sick that means you are a weakling, and all of my superstars are tough and strong and tall!" (as a sidebar, this could be why Roman is now a heel. Insomuch as he had cancer=he got sick=he is a weakling with no strength=how can you ever cheer such a weak man?) The blaming Lana stuff could be seen as a way to pull attention from the fact that Vince doesn't want to acknowledge the existence of Corona. Either because he is a broken brained CHUD who thinks it is a socialist hoax, or bucause he is a broken brained fuckwit who thinks that a wrestler admitting he got sick, (and thus exposing ho wlittle the company did to prevent that) is a sign of weakness.
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Vince spiking social media he can't control over AJ makes sense. Vince being massively over involved with the young beautiful blond woman to the point where he tries to ruin her marriage and any opportunity to leave also makes sense and has far more history than a top star facing consequences.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Vince being massively over involved with the young beautiful blond woman to the point where he tries to ruin her marriage and any opportunity to leave also makes sense and has far more history than a top star facing consequences. That's my take on it as well, if anyone else had done something similar he probably wouldn't have cared as much, but I think it's pretty evident by now that he's absolutely fixated on Lana and doesn't want her doing anything that might even slightly offer her a way to exist outside of the WWE cult.
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BrigadierSensible posted:(as a sidebar, this could be why Roman is now a heel. Insomuch as he had cancer=he got sick=he is a weakling with no strength=how can you ever cheer such a weak man?) Roman's a heel cause he asked to be one
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Pylons posted:He deleted it and replaced it with this: Is he implying that there's a noble way to make money off of diseased marks?
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Zombie Lemur posted:Is he implying that there's a noble way to make money off of diseased marks? Absolutely: Any of the several dozen Feed Me More-branded nutritional supplements Ryback will sell you from his website, which are seasoned with monkfruit and stevia rather than those icky things with sucralose, up to and including the $419.99 Everything pack which you could otherwise get for about two hundred bucks but it wouldn't have Ryback's catchphrase on it.
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Man, Ryback really is a piece of poo poo and Daniel Bryan was justified in loving with him at every turn.
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Ryback was probably the biggest self mark in a company that also contained HHH, Vince McMahon, and Goldberg. Although I will forever laugh at the YouTube video he put that was just him yelling his theme in a Target while zooming in and out on merch that had his face on it.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Ryback was probably the biggest self mark in a company that also contained HHH, Vince McMahon, and Goldberg. Although I will forever laugh at the YouTube video he put that was just him yelling his theme in a Target while zooming in and out on merch that had his face on it. I will never get over his Shell Shock ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjrJebp4IA
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KungFu Grip posted:its almost 100% because AJ said he had corona on his twitch and WWE is real loving jumpy to make sure people dont say they had it. Given the letters, the steps they've taken and the fact they are still coming after cameo it is almost certainly not AJ. They are mad about talent making money on the side, already started setting up their own system, tried to go after the talent, got pushback and are now regrouping. They have not hidden the fact they want this money for months.
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https://twitter.com/AliWWE/status/1303142427369369602?s=20 WWE has 7 hours of actual television shows each week
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He got the rumour wrong. It's his name that's being changed to Main Event Mustafa.
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Abroham Lincoln posted:to me it really does seem like irresponsible journalism
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sleepwalkers posted:Saying someone getting sponsored by a pretty mainstream energy drink company without WWE approval was what tipped things over the edge is in no way irresponsible journalism, and I genuinely don’t see how it could be interpreted as such. That phrase doesn’t mean “this is the sole reason and everyone should blame her.” Yeah do people not understand what the phrase "straw that broke the camels back" means? If the stuff like AJ hadn't have happened, Vince most likely would have let the Lana thing slide. It literally means that because of other factors, something that would have otherwise not been an issue ended up being seen as the "cause" of change. Dave gets accused of saying things in the dumbest, most incomprehensible way possible a lot, and rightly so, but if you didn't understand this, that's a you problem not a Dave problem.
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Yeah, I mean, if you're not allowed to say things that can be misconstrued by people acting in bad faith then we can just shut down wrestling journalism, and also journalism in general.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:https://twitter.com/AliWWE/status/1303142427369369602?s=20 10,000 yard stare
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It's nice that she's able to laugh about any of it now. Way quicker than I'd have been able to.
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Vince MechMahon posted:It's nice that she's able to laugh about any of it now. Way quicker than I'd have been able to. I suppose Matt not actually being hurt helps a lot.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:https://twitter.com/AliWWE/status/1303142427369369602?s=20 Just happy to be here!!
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