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Nigmaetcetera posted:It’s Kender, with an E. I haven’t said anything about people misspelling it until now but I’ve had some wine and feel like it’s necessary. Yes they’re halflings written to appeal more to a Oops, but yea. Also in the dragonlance novels they are constantly written as "Aren't these the coolest? Don't you wish you were a Kender???" they created their OCs and could not try to shove them in your face.
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Xenocides posted:
Ao, the GRRM of Overgods. "No, me-dammit. That's not right. Time for another rewrite. Or.....I could go watch some Blood War action for a bit. The Acheron Pitfiends are having a Hell of a season. You've earned this me time Ao".
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A Pen & Paper game I played had something like Kender as an option. The DM introduced them with "This is not a playable race here. You are not allowed to play these guys, unless we've known each other for years and you convince me that you can play this without being a terrible annoyance to everybody else." The setting also had an elf rule, where an elf could one time get away with doing something stupid in a town, because they didn't know things. That was an actual ingame law. So we had this player who would invoke elf rule every time we entered a new town and it just got old so loving fast. I imagine if he'd played a Kender, we never would have gotten anything done.
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Sep 8, 2020 10:03
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what is the actual difference between a kender and a halfling? Why do you guys hate these kender so much?
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Caesar Saladin posted:what is the actual difference between a kender and a halfling? Why do you guys hate these kender so much? Halflings are basically Tolkien hobbits with the serial numbers filed off. Kender are a race that look perpetually like children and compulsively steal stuff, but "it's not bad, they just don't understand the concept of stealing" or some poo poo like that. They will steal from party members, they will steal from people you are actively trying to not piss off, and if someone in your group wants to play one, they will ruin your loving game and/or are a pedo.
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Sep 8, 2020 10:56
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Don't forget the part where the rules state that everybody loves those little scamps so much, they would never ever even dream of hurting them.
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Sep 8, 2020 11:53
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CaptainCrunch posted:Oh no, Clariel is that bad? I mean it's okay, just completely outclassed by Sabriel/Lirael/Abhorsen.
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Sep 8, 2020 12:17
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Kender are a race of people who understand stealing is wrong, steal purely because they can not due to material need, and will never stop stealing no matter the consequence. The game calls them good and the gods will kill anyone who gets sick of their poo poo.
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Sep 8, 2020 12:23
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Barudak posted:Kender are a race of people who understand stealing is wrong, steal purely because they can not due to material need, and will never stop stealing no matter the consequence. The game calls them good and the gods will kill anyone who gets sick of their poo poo. They're the upper class as envisioned by lower class capitalists
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Sep 8, 2020 12:52
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Kinder remind me of the gremlins from Voyage of the Basset, except the gremlins were portrayed like magpies than Artful Dodgers. They pickup any random thing left laying around if it caught their interest regardless of who it might belong to, but they'd also readily share whatever they'd collected if someone asked or they saw a need. I think someone said earlier about them that it'd be an interesting idea if the Kender were some kind of collectivists who didn't really have a concept of personal property instead of being a twee, rules-lawyer workaround on the ethics of theft.
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Sep 8, 2020 13:16
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I wanna declare that reading bad fantasy novels while drunk is probably the saddest thing I've read itt
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Sep 8, 2020 13:24
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Colonel Cancer posted:I wanna declare that reading bad fantasy novels while drunk is probably the saddest thing I've read itt Better than reading those trashy romance novels with a mostly shirtless dude on the front, and a woman with billowing shirt and the title in red glowing letters when drunk. poo poo that is most fantasy novel covers too, isn't it?
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Sep 8, 2020 14:30
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Cowslips Warren posted:Better than reading those trashy romance novels with a mostly shirtless dude on the front, and a woman with billowing shirt and the title in red glowing letters when drunk. Yeah, just add like, a sword or glowering wolfman
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Sep 8, 2020 14:37
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There's an entire category called "Romantic Fantasy" that is exactly that. I've seen mummys, zombies, were-bears, ... The possibilities are endless and all of them are shirtless.
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Sep 8, 2020 14:51
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Cowslips Warren posted:Better than reading those trashy romance novels with a mostly shirtless dude on the front, and a woman with billowing shirt and the title in red glowing letters when drunk. Is it though?
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Sep 8, 2020 14:54
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One of the D&D lore explainers on youtube just did a video on Kender last week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawkfFhap8c
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Cloacamazing! posted:There's an entire category called "Romantic Fantasy" that is exactly that. I've seen mummys, zombies, were-bears, ... The possibilities are endless and all of them are shirtless. Wait, shirtless mummies? 
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if Kender were just small affable crow people they could totally get away with the shitbrained stealing thing, just saying
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That's why all the kender players moved onto kenku
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Sep 8, 2020 17:50
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Plus crowfolk would not at all act like they didn't steal, the entire game is to CATCH them stealing so they can dance around cawing mad trying to play snatch with you (to distract you with how quick you are while three more crows come steal your buttons).
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:Wait, shirtless mummies? Bandages and an opened shirt, plus a surprising amount of muscles for a dead guy.
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SirSamVimes posted:I mean it's okay, just completely outclassed by Sabriel/Lirael/Abhorsen. Ah, got it. Thanks.
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Cloacamazing! posted:Bandages and an opened shirt, plus a surprising amount of muscles for a dead guy. Being dead no excuse to skip Leg Day. 
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Cloacamazing! posted:A Pen & Paper game I played had something like Kender as an option. The DM introduced them with "This is not a playable race here. You are not allowed to play these guys, unless we've known each other for years and you convince me that you can play this without being a terrible annoyance to everybody else." Sounds like that guy who always wants to play Malkavian in Vampire TM "Okay so the Vampire Hunters are coming into the basement" "I roll to hide in the shado...." "I Jump up and start singing the theme to Three's Company! Because I'm wacky! I'm a Malkavian!"
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Sep 8, 2020 19:35
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christ save us all that the days of fishmalks are over, even if the spirit persists
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Sep 8, 2020 19:36
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Man, Raymond E Feist. The first trilogy was great, and serpentwar was awesome until it fizzled and it turns out the interdimensional snake threat was all a sham. After this he kept time skipping 50 years and killing off everyone but Pug and the Not-Elf guy, kinda ruining motivation to continue. Had to put this poo poo down when I got to the one book where Pug screws with the protagonist under the auspices of training. How did he do this? By recruiting a psychopath chick to be the protag's fake girlfriend, for reasons that still make no sense.
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Sep 8, 2020 19:42
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This thread moves so fast I missed this one. Piers Anthony has written so, so much, and some of it is even good. His sci-fi stuff in particular. Xanth is for 12 year olds which is why I liked it when I picked it up so long ago. I think he’s cool because if you send him an email on his website hipiers.com, he’ll respond and you can have a nice conversation with him. I chatted with him a bit last summer, smart guy for a crotchety old man. I suggested he check out something awful since he’s so into helping wannabe writers.
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You think wrong. Look at all the examples posted in this thread. Piers Anthony is a grade A creep. The first Xanth book has a long part about how a woman was just so hot, men can't help raping her. That does not belong into any book for a twelve year old, or any book for that matter. Cloacamazing! fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Cloacamazing! posted:You think wrong. Look at all the examples posted in this thread. Piers Anthony is a grade A creep. cool you should tell him that. have a chat about context and moral gradient, im sure he'll say something smart. im not gonna argue the meaning of someone else's words. i liked the omnivore series. no rape, mostly mushrooms. Solvent fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:I wanna declare that reading bad fantasy novels while drunk is probably the saddest thing I've read itt 
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Colonel Cancer posted:I wanna declare that reading bad fantasy novels while drunk is probably the saddest thing I've read itt Even worse, you might read them sober.
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Grimoire posted:After this he kept time skipping 50 years and killing off everyone but Pug and the Not-Elf guy, kinda ruining motivation to continue. Don't forget he would continue to introduce new characters who were basically carbon copies of Jimmy the Hand, Locklear, Arutha, and the rest.
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there wolf posted:Kinder remind me of the gremlins from Voyage of the Basset, except the gremlins were portrayed like magpies than Artful Dodgers. They pickup any random thing left laying around if it caught their interest regardless of who it might belong to, but they'd also readily share whatever they'd collected if someone asked or they saw a need. I think someone said earlier about them that it'd be an interesting idea if the Kender were some kind of collectivists who didn't really have a concept of personal property instead of being a twee, rules-lawyer workaround on the ethics of theft. This is what Kender are supposed to be, but the people who want to play them are the reason they are the way they are.
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Grimoire posted:Man, Raymond E Feist. The first trilogy was great, and serpentwar was awesome until it fizzled and it turns out the interdimensional snake threat was all a sham. After this he kept time skipping 50 years and killing off everyone but Pug and the Not-Elf guy, kinda ruining motivation to continue. Had to put this poo poo down when I got to the one book where Pug screws with the protagonist under the auspices of training. How did he do this? By recruiting a psychopath chick to be the protag's fake girlfriend, for reasons that still make no sense. Yea, Fiest at least understood that people weren't inherently evil. Tsurani were a bit more brutal culturally than the Kingdom and kept slaves, but they weren't shown to be some race of boiling puppies for fun. They were a blend of Aztecs, Japan and Romans. Their invasion even made sense, their world was metal poor so finding some other world where metal was so plentiful people just left it laying around would be worthy of conquest. The Serpent War had the benefit that the main characters were commoners, even if one was a bastard of a noble. The second one is weird as it focuses so much on economics, but I do love that one of the characters was revealed to be a spy and when he trys to turn on the Kingdom the invaders don't give a poo poo. Though one of my favorite books is the one where the villain of the book before it becomes the main character and is given a chance to redeem himself.
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My first introduction to Feist was a book called Lady of the Acoma or something and it was about the other perspective of the Riftwar and all the political machinations that were happening inside the invading nation. I remember really liking it, much more than the main books when I eventually got around to reading them.
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I started reading Feist because I love the game Betrayal at Krondor so much. The serpentwar was when I started to go off him. Book 1 was fine, book 2 was great, and then the last two kind of fizzled out for me.
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ElectroMagneticJosh posted:I started reading Feist because I love the game Betrayal at Krondor so much. I did like that the Kingdom basically said "We can't stop them, but we can hurt them and slow them down to save as many people as we can". They went all scorched earth on the Emerald Queens army. But then the end got really esoteric where they theorized they were all living inside a gods dream or something?
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honestly we are talking about the late 90s when I read them but there was some convoluted stuff like that and Pug being like "From now on I am now doing Macros the black stuff but even more so and across the multiverse that this series just introduced".
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Anyone else like William Forstchen and his Lost Regiment series until you found out he co-authored a book with Newt Gingrich which..., you guessed it, let Nazi Germany survive WW2? "1945 is an alternate history written by Newt Gingrich and William R. Forstchen in 1995 that described the period immediately after World War II in which the United States had fought only against Japan, which allowed Nazi Germany to force a truce with the Soviet Union, and the two victors confront each other in a cold war, which swiftly turns hot."
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