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Groovelord Neato posted:Replacing "Mein Leben!" with "So much for the tolerant left!" 90s Cringe Rock posted:It's the 3D, drives people to bigotry. Just too many dimensions. Quake got away with it by being overwhelmingly brown and having you kill white culture (knights, vore fans who keep shooting their fetish at you, giant white dudes shooting lightning). Perhaps every game should be prefaced with a training sequence where you kill a single nazi and are awarded a single point before you continue to the main story. Convex fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Turin Turambar posted:Well, any standalone weapon set is potentially going to mess up the balance. Some more, others less. I guess I should've specified that I prefer the balance being tipped in favor of ridonculous weapons over Project Brutality style where enemies can one-shot you and move faster than nightmare. Although really I think reskinning the game is exactly what I want as I've been playing through all these games as visually authentically as possible so playing the same game but faster/smoother is motivation enough to go back. Not for Doom 2, though, gimme all the broken tacticool weapons in the world to make that experience fun again.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:It's the 3D, drives people to bigotry. Just too many dimensions. Quake got away with it by being overwhelmingly brown and having you kill white culture (knights, vore fans who keep shooting their fetish at you, giant white dudes shooting lightning). At least the new Wolfenstein games have been uncompromising in their depictions of bigotry. It felt so satisfying after Bioshock Infinite tried to “both sides!”. 
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Sep 8, 2020 16:13
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People stumbling over themselves to praise bioshock infinite’s story was the worst. Eventually people turned on it but I remember finishing the game back when it launched and was like to this isn’t good, and kinda racist? Journalists claiming that the part where you can decide to throw a ball at an interracial couple was a “moral choice” was just lol Wow cool lighthouse!!!!
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Sep 8, 2020 16:22
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Overbite posted:People stumbling over themselves to praise bioshock infinite’s story was the worst. Eventually people turned on it but I remember finishing the game back when it launched and was like to this isn’t good, and kinda racist? Journalists claiming that the part where you can decide to throw a ball at an interracial couple was a “moral choice” was just lol  
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Sep 8, 2020 16:26
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Bioshock Infinite would've been great if it was the originally promised concept of Portal: The Arena Shooter instead of an okay shooter at best that constantly stops you to ask "What if the oppressed... were the oppressors?" Bioshock 2 is a great example of trusting the player with stupid broken powers against dumb enemies making inherently bland combat really fun which is basically the argument for Prey/Dishonored and ImSims in general.
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Sep 8, 2020 16:28
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Groovelord Neato posted:Replacing "Mein Leben!" with "Wow can't handle a different opinion?!" "So much for the tolerant left..."
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Convex posted:Perhaps every game should be prefaced with a training sequence where you kill a single nazi and are awarded a single point before you continue to the main story. Every game should be Wolfenstein imo
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Sep 8, 2020 16:56
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Cat Mattress posted:"So much for the tolerant left..."  On that note Wolfenstein Youngblood is a hoot and everyone were just jerks who don't like a good time. Jess and Soph were hilarious. They're two stupid teenage dorks raised by BJ Blazkowicz, who thought they were gonna have more than one brain cell between the two of them? All that matters is they kill nazis good.
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Yeah, I've been replaying Infinite and I've kinda lost all enthusiasm now that I've reached the back half of the game and now the story and game-play are both taking massive nosedives. I'd also honestly forgotten how much Infinite is torn between wanting to be a triple A Call of Duty type shooter and staying true to its immersive sims roots.
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What are Doom weapon mods that make you underpowered? Psychic I think counts, even if part of the difficulty comes from figuring out how to play. Also Hideous Destructor, maybe?
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Sep 8, 2020 18:19
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Honestly I kind of wish Ebert wasn't so entirely dismissive of video games as a medium, simply because if he played some we would have had the opportunity to see him absolutely eviscerate all the "deep" AAA games high on their own farts that are like C-tier film plots at best.
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laserghost posted:What are Doom weapon mods that make you underpowered? Psychic I think counts, even if part of the difficulty comes from figuring out how to play. Also Hideous Destructor, maybe? Extreme Weapon Pack
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Honestly I kind of wish Ebert wasn't so entirely dismissive of video games as a medium, simply because if he played some we would have had the opportunity to see him absolutely eviscerate all the "deep" AAA games high on their own farts that are like C-tier film plots at best. Yeah it's pretty funny how when gamers do "this game is art" stuff they pick the worst examples.
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Sep 8, 2020 18:42
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al-azad posted:Also shoutout to Bionic Commando where Hitler also melts. Thank Raiders for melting Nazis. Obligatory Everdraed: https://youtu.be/QI8CkCp8mao
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Sep 8, 2020 19:16
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I always respected how Ebert was able to appraise things on their own merit. He enjoyed a lot of dumb things because they were sincere in how dumb they were and he would often fight with Siskel on animated movies for kids because Siskel was a big spoiled baby who disliked animated stuff on the grounds it wasn't live action. He absolutely would be the guy to call out AAA games for being toothless while saying untitled goose game is an evolution in stealth games that ImSim developers should mine ideas from.
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Sep 8, 2020 19:20
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Bioshock infinite is one of the most confused modern shooters of, like... ever. It just has no idea what it wants to do -thematically, mechanically, philosophically. Its just a mess from beginning to end. The game ditches any real exploration of Columbia very early on, in favor of increasingly whacked out SciFi bullshit. And the actual shooting mechanics are, in a word,terrible. There's a lot of very cool ideas (zip lines!) that get lost in the noise because the basics weren't hammered out. The way that the industry fellated the title as art is just baffling, TBH. Are we THAT desperate for the veneer of depth?
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bioshock infinite has a detailed and lore-rich section on the menstrual blood of a teenage girl
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Sep 8, 2020 19:33
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Video games are art
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Sep 8, 2020 19:41
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI (but with Terror Billy staring at you from a bar at the bottom of the screen)
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Sep 8, 2020 19:41
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Narcissus1916 posted:Bioshock infinite is one of the most confused modern shooters of, like... ever. It also does the Halo two weapon thing and I'm not really sure why; the first Bioshock was fine with a full weapon wheel and the two weapon thing was already starting to go out of fashion when Infinite came out so I don't know why they picked that moment to hop on the trend.
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Sep 8, 2020 19:43
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It has the two weapon limit *and* a weapon upgrade/investment system, so you're constantly dumping money into weapons you stop using around the next corner when they run out of ammo. And then halfway through the game they unlock a whole other arsenal that takes the place of your upgraded guns for a while.
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Sep 8, 2020 19:45
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the scrags in quake are literally (grand??) wizards
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Sep 8, 2020 19:52
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Infinite is a 0/10 game because they removed WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS OF VALUE
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I mean, Quake is literally about taking the works of noted racist Howard Phillip Lovecraft and blowing them to pieces with shotguns and grenade launchers to a soundtrack by notably left-wing artist Trent Reznor. I bet Ranger says Trans Lives Matter.
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al-azad posted:Infinite is a 0/10 game because they removed WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS OF VALUE HA HA HA HA
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Wild T posted:I mean, Quake is literally about taking the works of noted racist Howard Phillip Lovecraft and blowing them to pieces with shotguns and grenade launchers to a soundtrack by notably left-wing artist Trent Reznor. it's actually what he's saying every time he jumps, it's just lost in translation HUH HUH HUH
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al-azad posted:What are your recommendations for fun standalone weapon sets or additions to Doom that don't directly mess with the game's balance? Looking to spice up vanilla Doom. There was this one really neat mod that was focused on thrown explosives, wish I could remember the name of it Turin Turambar posted:Well, any standalone weapon set is potentially going to mess up the balance. Some more, others less. Some good stuff here Overbite posted:People stumbling over themselves to praise bioshock infinite’s story was the worst. Eventually people turned on it but I remember finishing the game back when it launched and was like to this isn’t good, and kinda racist? Journalists claiming that the part where you can decide to throw a ball at an interracial couple was a “moral choice” was just lol Yeah the story sucked, which is a shame cause Columbia itself was an excellent setting concept(but then I'm a huge sucker for the Turn of The Century Americana aesthetic, both on it's own merits and how ripe for parody it is)
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Wild T posted:I mean, Quake is literally about taking the works of noted racist Howard Phillip Lovecraft and blowing them to pieces with shotguns and grenade launchers to a soundtrack by notably left-wing artist Trent Reznor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvaU9CaSeCE
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Bioshock Infinite felt too video-gamey to me. Whenever you were ziplining to different sections it felt like each section was a level in the game instead of an actual place where human beings would theoretically live.
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Sep 8, 2020 21:34
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I want Trent Reznor to score my artdecopunk Thief-like stealth game about serving Dishonored style ironic punishments to corrupt government officials, the rich, and cops.
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drrockso20 posted:Yeah the story sucked, which is a shame cause Columbia itself was an excellent setting concept(but then I'm a huge sucker for the Turn of The Century Americana aesthetic, both on it's own merits and how ripe for parody it is) I want to see more Victorian-1930's aesthetics in shooters, frankly. More 1950's retro-futurism too, while I'm at it. Anyway, Shadow Warrior was the real best shooter of 2013, with better gameplay, better story (simpler, but not absolute crap), and honestly, I like Elizabeth fine enough, but Hoji is the way better sidekick. I want to like the Bioshock franchise, I like the style and aesthetics and all that, but I thought the first one was a step back from System Shock 2, I skipped 2, and Infinite's the only one I finished but it's not very good. Maybe the fourth one will be decent?
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Highly recommend giving Bioshock 2 a shot. It got a bad wrap when it came out because people thought it was a quick cash grab (despite being in development for 2 and a half years???). The folks at Arkane helped work on it. Ken Levine's stupid face is nowhere to be seen. In addition to refining the gameplay with lots of quality of life improvements (you can use a gun AND powers at the same time!!! the hacking minigame isn't loving pipedream!) it's also a genuinely sweet and heartfelt Dad Game. The writing is snappier and far more interesting, playing as a Big Daddy absolutely rips, and the DLC campaign, Minerva's Den, is absolutely sublime. It's one of my favorite games, and I hate Bioshock 1 and Infinite.
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I just played through High Hell. It's on sale on Steam right now. It's good if you like instagib railgun fights, speed running, or kicking hot dog covered grills off of skyscrapers. Would recommend.
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caleb posted:I just played through High Hell. It's on sale on Steam right now. It's good if you like instagib railgun fights, speed running, or kicking hot dog covered grills off of skyscrapers. Would recommend. Just added it to my cart.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Bioshock Infinite felt too video-gamey to me. Whenever you were ziplining to different sections it felt like each section was a level in the game instead of an actual place where human beings would theoretically live. Yeah that poo poo was very on-rails (heh) and most if not all fights were arena poo poo. Seeing previews for the game I thought you were gonna be able to travel around on the rails from place to place at your choosing.
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*runs in, panting* calm-mecha-hitler.jpg!
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catlord posted:I want to see more Victorian-1930's aesthetics in shooters, frankly. More 1950's retro-futurism too, while I'm at it. More retro stylings in general are needed in this genre
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