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SugarAddict
Oct 11, 2012
Everything you were supposed to loot that mission got blown up. I suppose you need more bluescreen rounds?

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Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010
It's not like you really needed the supplies from that mission. The only reason to even do it at this point was to prevent the territory loss from ignoring it.

cambrian obelus
Sep 14, 2010

I've never seen a French woman before!
Soiled Meat
Good show, when I saw that pod (4 heavy mecs and a sectopod) I was worried. but you dismantled them down to nothing.

Since you're going for the Chosen before the end, are you going to research their weapons?

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010

cambrian obelus posted:

Good show, when I saw that pod (4 heavy mecs and a sectopod) I was worried. but you dismantled them down to nothing.

Since you're going for the Chosen before the end, are you going to research their weapons?

The Hunter has my favorite goodies. I always found the Warlock's offering to be underwhelming, though.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
It's good to have you back Commander

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Finally a soldier bond. I can do what I was born to do; yell at someone else to do stuff because I'm too slow to do it myself

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

cambrian obelus posted:

Good show, when I saw that pod (4 heavy mecs and a sectopod) I was worried. but you dismantled them down to nothing.

Since you're going for the Chosen before the end, are you going to research their weapons?

I'm not sure I could do the final mission without the Hunter's weapons, and we're already researching the Assassin weapons right now.

The Warlock, as someone else has pointed out, is kinda :effort:, so we'll see.

Seriously, the ONLY things I am worried about right now in terms of winning the campaign:

1.) The Archon King decides to gently caress off from the facility he's guarding that I never intend to visit because I hate him, and appears on a random mission, and that random mission turns out to be like...an Avenger Defense dark event.
2.) Failing the penultimate mission which has some really nasty constraints--many of which can be countered if you have enough intel, but the counter options are randomized and it's possible they'll all suck
3.) Failing in the final room of the final mission which is just A MESS

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

FairGame posted:

I'm not sure I could do the final mission without the Hunter's weapons, and we're already researching the Assassin weapons right now.

The Warlock, as someone else has pointed out, is kinda :effort:, so we'll see.

Seriously, the ONLY things I am worried about right now in terms of winning the campaign:

1.) The Archon King decides to gently caress off from the facility he's guarding that I never intend to visit because I hate him, and appears on a random mission, and that random mission turns out to be like...an Avenger Defense dark event.
2.) Failing the penultimate mission which has some really nasty constraints--many of which can be countered if you have enough intel, but the counter options are randomized and it's possible they'll all suck
3.) Failing in the final room of the final mission which is just A MESS

The archon king thing has happened to me, and while it sucked, it's not a campaign ender. You're good enough at the game that it would just cost wound time, I think. But also, I believe the rulers are locked to their starting mission unless you actually do it and they get away. (if you want the armor, there's always the Reaper/Banish/Magazine/Repeater combo)

The penultimate mission is the prime use case for psykers: too few troops? Just add Dominate.

And the last room is supposed to be a frantic mess! Just have fun with finally facing something you can't blaster-launcher entirely away for the first time since a SPARK got Rainmaker. But seriously, I think they honestly did a pretty good balancing job on it, because it's never made me lose a campaign, but I have occasionally had the first casualties since rookie days there. So it's just tough enough that it feels like an epic conclusion.

Malah
May 18, 2015

I've yet to watch (it probably slipped down my bookmarks), but iirc Dan & Grace were leaving the Chosen alive so they had RSVP invites to go gently caress up whatever the final mission involves, so their LP demonstrates how much fun those extra guest stars are I should really go check how far that's progressed since I last watched, didn't seem to be much left to do?. If Danaru finished Commander while drunk of his rear end and planning about five minutes ahead, then I'm not remotely worried about your campaign.

Those latter issues sound interesting, but you could easily head off that first one by decking out a star squad with your fancy late-game gear and any equipment or items you'd normally consider unsporting. At this point I'd be surprised if you couldn't just steamroll the facility as usual until you find the Archon King patrolling, pause for a moment to set up the ambush or clear his path of reinforcements, and then drop whatever tactical nuke you've kept in your back pocket on him. Surely you've got enough damage and lockdown to burst him even through ... Ruler Reactions, I think they were called?

All of this assumes it's worth going out of your way to murder the last ruler, but apparently a wandering Archon King would be the final monkey wrench ADVENT has left to throw at you. Removing him from the board yourself would be entertaining to watch and probably feel satisfactory, unless the Archon King is truly that bullshit. And, honestly, I'd kind of want to see why that is for myself. Overinflated stats? Blazing Pinions from Hell? What's the issue?

Malah fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Sep 9, 2020

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Malah posted:

I've yet to watch (it probably slipped down my bookmarks), but iirc Dan & Grace were leaving the Chosen alive so they had RSVP invites to go gently caress up whatever the final mission involves, so their LP demonstrates how much fun those extra guest stars are I should really go check how far that's progressed since I last watched, didn't seem to be much left to do?. If Danaru finished Commander while drunk of his rear end and planning about five minutes ahead, then I'm not remotely worried about your campaign.

Those latter issues sound interesting, but you could easily head off that first one by decking out a star squad with your fancy late-game gear and any equipment or items you'd normally consider unsporting. At this point I'd be surprised if you couldn't just steamroll the facility as usual until you find the Archon King patrolling, pause for a moment to set up the ambush or clear his path of reinforcements, and then drop whatever tactical nuke you've kept in your back pocket on him. Surely you've got enough damage and lockdown to burst him even through ... Ruler Reactions, I think they were called?

All of this assumes it's worth going out of your way to murder the last ruler, but apparently a wandering Archon King would be the final monkey wrench ADVENT has left to throw at you. Removing him from the board yourself would be entertaining to watch and probably feel satisfactory, unless the Archon King is truly that bullshit. And, honestly, I'd kind of want to see why that is for myself. Overinflated stats? Blazing Pinions from Hell? What's the issue?

He's really not fun to show off and I hate him.

His Blazing Pinions ability knocks people unconscious. And it lands on a ruler reaction. Meaning once he does it, there's not much you can do to clear out. It's just "hey, hope you have a Colonel-level specialist that can use the 1-per-mission revive everyone ability." It's un-fun, has a single hard counter, and just really isn't particularly interesting.

Would I kill him? Almost certainly. Even if he came at me on an Avenger Defense, I'd still have 4 turrets with infinite ammo and probably 4-5 more reinforcements coming out of the Avenger to take care of things, including picking up their downed buddies and humping them back to the ramp. But it'd be a huge pain on a map that's guaranteed to crash my PS4 several times.

Or I'd just murder him with a repeater, which is equally unfun and silly.

He's just better off avoided.

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010
While I definitely don't disagree that the Archon King sucks to fight, his armor is, hands down, my favorite. Both in terms of usefulness and I just really like the way it looks. It'd dumb in an endearing way to me.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

SugarAddict
Oct 11, 2012
I'm surprised there wasn't another pod after those two on the objective that would just swoop in and finish off shooting the objective. Also I'm surprised my character didn't die after he ran in blind twice.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

You got lucky, last time I did a mission like this when I activated the pod near the objective they just ignored me and shot the transmitter to death

these missions suck

e: listen julien. I understand you're a Durand, long linage, etc etc. You have to shave that porn stache bro.

Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Sep 10, 2020

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 23, 2021

Malah
May 18, 2015

FairGame posted:

He's really not fun to show off and I hate him.

His Blazing Pinions ability knocks people unconscious. And it lands on a ruler reaction. Meaning once he does it, there's not much you can do to clear out. It's just "hey, hope you have a Colonel-level specialist that can use the 1-per-mission revive everyone ability." It's un-fun, has a single hard counter, and just really isn't particularly interesting.
:yikes:

Okay, I can see the issue here.

cambrian obelus
Sep 14, 2010

I've never seen a French woman before!
Soiled Meat

Grapplejack posted:

You got lucky, last time I did a mission like this when I activated the pod near the objective they just ignored me and shot the transmitter to death

these missions suck

e: listen julien. I understand you're a Durand, long linage, etc etc. You have to shave that porn stache bro.

There is nothing wrong with that 'stache. It befits a man of experience and action.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Hey I came along! Middling performance for myself.

So about the Templar ghost. To me that seems like a very good way to boost your action economy and focus economy. For 2 focus and an enemy body you generate 3 focus that you can immediately use as a suicide bomber.

My guess is that the ghost's focus acts as its timer, so every time you end turn it loses one focus. If you use focus actions the ghost dies more quickly of course. Still a very useful skill if you've got the focus and the corpse.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Man that Chosen healing seems like it could get out of control really fast. I guess he got healed off the MECs because they were his MECs?

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Remember how we've talked about how the chosen hunter is the most dangerous chosen in the entire game if his AI actually decides he feels like fighting

he did that this time around. Imagine if he threw that conc grenade at your two human squaddies lmao you would have wiped

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Oh yeah I was going to ask what that grenade was and why it didn’t do anything. We’ve probably seen it before but it’s been a while. Is it basically a super flashbang that also sets people up for capture?

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010

Kibayasu posted:

Man that Chosen healing seems like it could get out of control really fast. I guess he got healed off the MECs because they were his MECs?

The Soulstealer ability heals it whenever an XCOM soldier within a certain range takes damage.

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

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Kibayasu posted:

Oh yeah I was going to ask what that grenade was and why it didn’t do anything. We’ve probably seen it before but it’s been a while. Is it basically a super flashbang that also sets people up for capture?

Yea Hunter's flashbang causes 'daze' and he decided to toss it at the two units on the map which can't be dazed, even though he could have hit 3+ meatsquad instead. Gonna guess that the AI's grenade targeting really heavily prefers armored targets, even for non-damaging grenades?

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Grapplejack posted:

Remember how we've talked about how the chosen hunter is the most dangerous chosen in the entire game if his AI actually decides he feels like fighting

he did that this time around. Imagine if he threw that conc grenade at your two human squaddies lmao you would have wiped

Nah. The remaining troops could handle his MECs just fine, and while they wouldn't be able to defeat the Hunter, he'd just kidnap someone and bugger off, ending the mission.

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

Wow, this hunter guy seems like a real threat and we should make it our top priority to take him out as soon as we can! No, this has nothing to do with me wanting his gun, why do you ask?

eating only apples
Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?
Hunter is so much more fun than the other two

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010

eating only apples posted:

Hunter is so much more fun than the other two

Yeah, Hunter has a good sense of humor despite being a complete sociopath. Assassin at least seems like, if you did lose and she became queen of Earth, she'd take decent care of the place. Warlock is just awful.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Glad you're back, Fairgame. Hope whatever personal unpleasantness pulled you away has cleared up.

Malah posted:

I've yet to watch (it probably slipped down my bookmarks), but iirc Dan & Grace were leaving the Chosen alive so they had RSVP invites to go gently caress up whatever the final mission involves, so their LP demonstrates how much fun those extra guest stars are I should really go check how far that's progressed since I last watched, didn't seem to be much left to do?. If Danaru finished Commander while drunk of his rear end and planning about five minutes ahead, then I'm not remotely worried about your campaign.
I'm honestly not sure if they did it on purpose, but yes, they did do the Chosen boss rush (which was very amusing) and win the game. After you watch that, you'll understand why I'm not worried about Fair: Tactical Analysis is incredibly good, and it procs on all of the adds in the final fight. Changes it from a hectic firefight to something much more manageable, which really helped out Dan in the state he was in.

Gothsheep posted:

Warlock is just awful.
I don't see how anyone can think Warlock has enough of a personality to bother forming an opinion on him. The dude is just "omg have you heard about this purple stuff called kush psionics? It's loving awesome! I'm awesome!"

Like, I'm not clear how his vision for a post-Elders earth is that different from, say, Geist's.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

And here we go!

Man, the first time I saw that codex cutscene I was sure the game would spring a surprise defense mission on you or something similar.

Robert Deadford
Mar 1, 2008
Ultra Carp
Hell yes, FG. Some sweet sweet prizes coming your way!

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

The Hunter just wanted to enjoy enslaving and/or killing everyone he could is that really so bad? You breaking into his house, killing his friends, and breaking his stuff seems like quite an overreaction. Have you considered that XCOM might be the bad guy here?

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Look, the Hunter is his own person. He didn't seem to be discomforted by the prospect of getting in a gunfight with supersoldiers in his foyer, so who are we to impose our values on him?

cambrian obelus
Sep 14, 2010

I've never seen a French woman before!
Soiled Meat

Kibayasu posted:

The Hunter just wanted to enjoy enslaving and/or killing everyone he could is that really so bad? You breaking into his house, killing his friends, and breaking his stuff seems like quite an overreaction. Have you considered that XCOM might be the bad guy here?

We're just doing small what the Elders/ADVENT did to the world at large. Also, we have to reciprocate for all those resistance members killed by the Hunter.

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010
Come on, what the Hunter really wanted was a challenge. So in a way, killing him in his own home is the best gift we could possibly give him!

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Have you considered that XCOM is the REAL racists

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

kw0134 posted:

Have you considered that XCOM is the REAL racists

Yes, but then they made Chimera Squad

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Good job. Like you said, at this point in the game, it's not about preventing a squad wipe. XCOM's infantry is too strong. It's about managing the scars/fatigue on your elite soldiers (and keeping an eye on the Doom Counter if you don't have WOTC.)

E: The hunter's "The elders are finally quiet" line is one of the most interesting IMO.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Oct 19, 2020

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