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The one bright spot of the show being canceled because of streaming bullshit is that this means it's not being canceled because it's unpopular (it clearly still has a huge fanbase, lots of people all over social media are bummed about it being gone), or because it's too expensive to make, or because anyone in particular wants it gone. It just got canceled on a red tape technicality, so if there's anyway to get around that technicality then there's a lot of reasons to keep the show going.
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At the same time if HBO Max can only get a season 8 and not any of the rest of it due to that technicality that seems like it would discourage them from going ahead with it.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:03
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Irony Be My Shield posted:At the same time if HBO Max can only get a season 8 and not any of the rest of it due to that technicality that seems like it would discourage them from going ahead with it. They get S1-7 when the existing deal with Hulu expired, it’s already happened to other shows per one of those articles.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:05
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They could make a new season or even multiple. Then when the hulu deal expires, have a big even about all of Venture Bros coming to HBO max or whatever.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:10
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All of those tweets from that guy are gone. What did they say?
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Sep 9, 2020 01:11
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Ugly In The Morning posted:“Who wrote this, Henry Darger?” Is my all-time favorite joke in the entire show and I can’t think of it without laughing. Probably because I’ve made similar jokes for like a decade and nobody knew what I was talking about, so when I heard that it was just... perfect. I think that’s part of what I like about this show, is that it’s confident enough with those reference jokes to let them stand on their own and if you get ‘em, you get ‘em. I just want to know how the hell I knew who Henry Darger was before that episode, because I got the joke and have no clue how.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:14
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Mr. Nice! posted:All of those tweets from that guy are gone. What did they say? - VB was licensed to Hulu for a multi-year deal where it's exclusively on Hulu. - This conflicts with the corporate desire to have everything streaming on HBO Max - Thus, anything with a multi-year streaming deal that was not close to expiring was cancelled. VB falls under this umbrella; the cancellation was not out of any desire to really end the show by any party involved in the decision. Just corporate directive. - However, once a show is cancelled, it can be retooled or renamed in order to be a "new" show, which gets around the above licensing deal with Hulu So, the speculation is now that VB is "cancelled" in a public declaration and confirmed by all the relevant parties, this will allow them to rename the show and proceed with a "new" show that just happens to have the exact same writers, directors, voice actors, characters, and plotlines, exclusive to HBO Max.
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Mr. Nice! posted:All of those tweets from that guy are gone. What did they say? Here ya go, I did a screenshot above thread. 
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Sep 9, 2020 01:22
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Mr. Nice! posted:All of those tweets from that guy are gone. What did they say? That he works for HBO Max and said if they cancel the show and start another one it could go on Max. Since it’s a running show it falls under Hulu’s agreement. Then once the show is cancelled they can pull it from Hulu and put it on Max as it’s their IP still. It makes sense in a way if you think Hulu isn’t going to sue the poo poo out of them for skirting around the contract.
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TK-42-1 posted:That he works for HBO Max and said if they cancel the show and start another one it could go on Max. Since it’s a running show it falls under Hulu’s agreement. Then once the show is cancelled they can pull it from Hulu and put it on Max as it’s their IP still. It makes sense in a way if you think Hulu isn’t going to sue the poo poo out of them for skirting around the contract. He basically knows about as much as anyone who read the Variety article: http://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1303482123064496128 http://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1303482125149110272
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Sep 9, 2020 01:24
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TK-42-1 posted:It makes sense in a way if you think Hulu isn’t going to sue the poo poo out of them for skirting around the contract. At that point, it becomes a calculus of "how much will this cost us in legal fees?" vs "how much revenue do we expect this show to actually bring?" Chances are it's just not worth pursuing. Keep in mind that Warner is huge and Hulu as far as I know is still privately owned and is much, much smaller.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:26
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That's a bit aggressive of the schedules guy to start pouring over the other guy's information obsessively, goddamn, I just wanna know if we have VB not dying
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Servaetes posted:That's a bit aggressive of the schedules guy to start pouring over the other guy's information obsessively, goddamn, I just wanna know if we have VB not dying They'll definitely shop it around. It all depends on whether or not the production is as expensive as it looked. My guess is "yes, it is very expensive" and they'll run into trouble, but will work something out and we'll get like a 4 episode capstone season if-and-only-if they can secure the rights to the rest of the series.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:46
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:At that point, it becomes a calculus of "how much will this cost us in legal fees?" vs "how much revenue do we expect this show to actually bring?" Hulu is publicly traded, Fox owns a large portion of them.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:03
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Streaming rights is why The Expanse (and likely Happy!) was cancelled. All the networks want their own umbrella of content now. First run rights only aren't enough of a draw to fund something anymore, the long term streaming rights is where the money is with everyone and their cousin making a streaming service and need content. pixaal posted:Hulu is publicly traded, Fox owns a large portion of them. No, Fox did own a decent chunk. Now Disney owns almost all of it.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:04
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cartoons123 posted:He basically knows about as much as anyone who read the Variety article: Not going to bat for this person or anything, but the Variety article says nothing about Hulu exclusivity factoring into the decision to cancel or the possibility of retooling with a new name Now, they might still be full of poo poo and the Hulu stuff could be common knowledge (or even more bullshit) but at the very least that's information that's new (at least to this thread)
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Sep 9, 2020 02:07
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It is stupid and it sucks, but it does happen. From where I'm standing it looks like HBO Max is trying to kill Hulu and the Adult Swim shows are caught in the crossfire. I imagine it's also them being pissed off about losing the Fox shows thanks to Disney buying Fox New Yorp New Yorp posted:At that point, it becomes a calculus of "how much will this cost us in legal fees?" vs "how much revenue do we expect this show to actually bring?" Hulu is now owned by Disney
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drrockso20 posted:Hulu is now owned by Disney And Disney doesn't even want it
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PostNouveau posted:And Disney doesn't even want it Not quite true, they see it as the place to stick all their stuff that doesn't fit the image they want Disney+ to have(well except The Simpson's, that's a bit of an exception)
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Sep 9, 2020 05:04
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I also think Hulu isn't actually making profits (yet) so Disney can hang out, raises prices a bit every year and eventually own yet another extremely valuable media arm.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:07
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Pfft, The Venture Bros? That old show was pretty good, I guess, for the 2000s. But here in the year 202x we're all watching The Real Adventures Of Rusty Venture on HBO Max.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:15
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PostNouveau posted:And Disney doesn't even want it Disney absolutely wants it. They've doubled down on Hulu since taking over majority control, expanding original content and doing things like FX on Hulu where FX's whole back catalog is on Hulu and shows end up there the day after airing. Hulu is going to be home to everything under the Disney umbrella that will not fit on Disney+ (which includes a lot of Fox's back catalog). You won't ever see Deadpool on Disney+, but Hulu will likely be the home eventually. The same goes for things like Solar Opposites, adult content stuff that will never go on Disney+. Disney and Comcast came together and bought out ATT for Time Warner's share and in return Disney has agreed that Comcast can force a buyout of their 33% stake come 2024. That's not a move you make if you don't want complete and total ownership.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:16
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My immediate reaction is that Disney is vile, but only because they’re the capitalists closest to winning capitalism at the moment. Really, they’re all vile and I’m glad Doc and Jackson got to find a safe place getting crumbs from the table for so long.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:19
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Not that Disney doesn't do some hosed up stuff(like their role in US Copyright Law being the mess it currently is), but honestly they're still fairly clean compared to most of their competition to my knowledge
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:My immediate reaction is that Disney is vile, but only because they’re the capitalists closest to winning capitalism at the moment. Really, they’re all vile and I’m glad Doc and Jackson got to find a safe place getting crumbs from the table for so long. They're all bad, but I feel like doing the 2020 equivalent of filming a movie in Occupied Poland and then including a literal shoutout to the SS in the credits of said film is a bit much. Like Disney has been going the extra mile lately to make themselves stand out as evil.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:23
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All this talk of streaming rights is sad. What's some good official venture brothers merchandise for me to wax nostalgic from time to time?
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:They're all bad, but I feel like doing the 2020 equivalent of filming a movie in Occupied Poland and then including a literal shoutout to the SS in the credits of said film is a bit much. What?
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Sep 9, 2020 05:29
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He's mad that Mulan was shot in Xinjiang.
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unlimited shrimp posted:What? I think he's talking about the new version of Mulan
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Sep 9, 2020 05:31
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Shot in Xinjiang and literally included a thank you to the group responsible for rounding up folks to send to the camps. Like it's pretty loving egregious.
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bull3964 posted:Disney absolutely wants it. They've doubled down on Hulu since taking over majority control, expanding original content and doing things like FX on Hulu where FX's whole back catalog is on Hulu and shows end up there the day after airing. Interesting. I had thought they'd just gotten it as part of the Fox deal. Hulu was always too good to be true. Not that its catalog was better than other services, but the idea behind it being a cooperative arrangement of huge content producers rather than splitting into a bunch of competing services. Now we're winding up with 30 different services anyway, but it was nice while it lasted. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Sep 9, 2020 06:24
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HBO could make a noir miniseries based on Jonas's pre-superscience days as a speculative millinery engineer, and show how he went from a slovenly, alcoholic maker of experimental hats to a full-on superscientist thanks to a murder involving a crazy hat designer kidnapping and killing a baby.
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Sep 9, 2020 06:33
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PostNouveau posted:Interesting. I had thought they'd just gotten it as part of the Fox deal. It was crazy when you get watch a new episode of TV 7 days after it aired, and even more crazy when they started putting out episodes the next day. Compared to netflix (at least in the US) where you had to wait nearly until the next season was about to premiere to even see the last season.
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tarlibone posted:HBO could make a noir miniseries based on Jonas's pre-superscience days as a speculative millinery engineer, and show how he went from a slovenly, alcoholic maker of experimental hats to a full-on superscientist thanks to a murder involving a crazy hat designer kidnapping and killing a baby. Didn't Dr. Girlfriend try to do a crazed milliner gimmick at one point? She could have been doing a callback! A precognitive callback! A... precallback!
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Sep 9, 2020 08:22
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HBO should pick up the Colonel Gentlemen spinoff series they talked about in the season 1 commentary where they were just trying to write the most obscene gay pick up lines they could think of while doing Sean Connery impressions.
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Sep 9, 2020 10:19
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Cojawfee posted:It was crazy when you get watch a new episode of TV 7 days after it aired, and even more crazy when they started putting out episodes the next day. Compared to netflix (at least in the US) where you had to wait nearly until the next season was about to premiere to even see the last season. Sometimes. Other times you’re waiting for like 9 months for a new episode of American Dad.
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Sep 9, 2020 11:27
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Case in point: when the hell is the UK getting season 2 of Harley Quinn, we were only airing season 1 when the US was airing the second.
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Sep 9, 2020 12:05
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Down for either of the above spin offs, like somebody said though we should have a Triad one too, either present or back when they were in their prime.
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Just bought season 1on YouTube. I'm doing my part! Someone create a petition for me to sign. The cancellation is getting a lot of play on Twitter it seems, so we might be in luck yet
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I'm not exactly holding my breath for an HBO continuation because I don't except Doc or Jackson will (or should) accept anything less than complete creative control. I'd rather have no ending than one where the network gives input to the effect of "Doc is too unlikeable" etc. Basically I want to remember The Venture Bros as a perfect show and not something that got weird and watered down like what happened to Arrested Development. I am Reverend fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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