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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Oh, nice. So I misremembered. That's even cooler and more impressive then. All those years of make-it-up-as-you-go-along continuity and the closest thing to a contradiction or retcon is really just the soft retconning of Hatred's pedophilia. Hatered gets treatment and is cured in the episode with Dog Hitler. Brock gets helper implanted in his chest then overhears them saying hatred just needs a little attitude adjustment and Brock thinks they are gonna gently caress around in his head and jumps out of the airship and rides a jetpack. *It's okay this episode is confusing because every scene jumps backwards in time so it's hard to remember what happened since it's done in reverse the idea did not execute as well as it did in their heads. I'd much rather it play normal with the same plot. Anyway they inject Hatred with a cure and he has to take boosters every so often and it cures his pedophilia. He runs out of meds in the one where they go to the movies even and Hatred mentions wanting to go to Thailand and that it will help him like his meds. He is a recovered pedophile whatever that can mean. He seems pretty in control so just go with super science.
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pixaal posted:*It's okay this episode is confusing because every scene jumps backwards in time so it's hard to remember what happened since it's done in reverse the idea did not execute as well as it did in their heads. I'd much rather it play normal with the same plot. It’s not in reverse, you can tell the order of the scenes by the value of the comic book in the top corner at the beginning of each scene.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s not in reverse, you can tell the order of the scenes by the value of the comic book in the top corner at the beginning of each scene. Okay it's out of order and jumbled and it seems to confuse a lot of people. I know it was done intentionally I don't like that style in general unless there is an actual mystery at the center. There wasn't some big reveal it would have watched perfectly fine if it was done in proper order with Rusty being introduced to the Nazis before getting hot melted face all over his lab clean lab coat. One of the first scenes is the Nazi being killed, who is a major character. The actual ending (Brock kills Hitler) sure is at the very end but the meat of the episode is pretty much backwards. They even mention it's done that way in the commentary and that they feel like it was poorly executed. Is it weird that I agree with them that it didn't work out how they wanted?
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Mr. Nice! posted:The investors and killinger are greek gods of the wind whose task is to guide mortals based on their names and what he says to them before they fight. That doesn't belong in VB and is incredibly unsatisfying. Leave Killinger as an unknowable entity sure, but him fighting the investors (who ultimately, what, killed Montsroso and accomplished nothing, did we even know what they were trying to do? It looked like they'd be involved with the Guild but nope?) in a lightsaber battle... bit embarrassing.
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Alan_Shore posted:That doesn't belong in VB and is incredibly unsatisfying. Leave Killinger as an unknowable entity sure, but him fighting the investors (who ultimately, what, killed Montsroso and accomplished nothing, did we even know what they were trying to do? It looked like they'd be involved with the Guild but nope?) in a lightsaber battle... bit embarrassing. This doesn’t feel any stupider or less satisfying than all of Molotov’s team turning into mantis mutants.
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Bust Rodd posted:This doesn’t feel any stupider or less satisfying than all of Molotov’s team turning into mantis mutants. Counterpoint: Like A Friend.
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Alan_Shore posted:That doesn't belong in VB and is incredibly unsatisfying. Leave Killinger as an unknowable entity sure, but him fighting the investors (who ultimately, what, killed Montsroso and accomplished nothing, did we even know what they were trying to do? It looked like they'd be involved with the Guild but nope?) in a lightsaber battle... bit embarrassing. It would be embarrassing, but they make it pretty clear the light saber battle is only happening in their heads and they're really just doing some mental/psychic poo poo to one another. Of course nerdy supervillians would imagine something that cliche when they're really just standing in place grunting at one another. It is one disappointment in the art book – I want to say Doc mentions having a huge mental mythos for the investors, but casually notes he's largely forgotten it, and will likely just rewrite it if they come back to them.
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Bust Rodd posted:This doesn’t feel any stupider or less satisfying than all of Molotov’s team turning into mantis mutants. One is Rusty averting disaster with his failed science. The other concerns actual gods. How can you compare the two?
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Alan_Shore posted:One is Rusty averting disaster with his failed science. The other concerns actual gods. How can you compare the two? It feels incredibly stupid to lament supernatural elements in VB when Orpheus is basically everyone’s favorite character.
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Sep 10, 2020 15:00
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The show is so dense it feels more like 12 seasons of content sometimes. There's so much to talk about it's hard not to touch yourself just a little
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Speaking of, surprised this show hasn't sprouted a spin off Podcast. It has murder and bespoke drink recipes!
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Aren't the DVD commentaries basically a podcast? They sure listen like one
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pixaal posted:Aren't the DVD commentaries basically a podcast? They sure listen like one Honestly yeah. Man, a slightly more focused in character Podcast would still be a great thing they can do if they can't do anything else.
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White and Quizboy movie review podcast.
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Bust Rodd posted:It feels incredibly stupid to lament supernatural elements in VB when Orpheus is basically everyone’s favorite character. I'm not lamenting the supernatural elements, only lamenting when they're ill used. The investors went nowhere and did nothing. Orpheus, I love him of course, but I'm struggling to remember when his magic really saved the day (and I'm sure by saying this people will chime in with dozens of examples haha). They even had to retcon his powers, he started off as a necromancer then couldn't even bring back the boys or 20. The Triad are great but they're side characters that don't really influence the story in the way the investors did. Also the investors were built up to be these huge nigh-unstoppable baddies, I had no idea how Brock was gonna beat them. Then Killinger killed them with a lightsaber. It's just a shame. If Orpheus had killed them we wouldn't be having this conversation. pixaal posted:The show is so dense it feels more like 12 seasons of content sometimes. There's so much to talk about it's hard not to touch yourself just a little So true! People saying "one last season", they could easily do another three!
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SeanBeansShako posted:We mentally masturbate too much in this thread. It's actually a thread about failure.
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I think this thread is more just a slice of life from all the posters
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Alan_Shore posted:I'm not lamenting the supernatural elements, only lamenting when they're ill used. The investors went nowhere and did nothing. Orpheus, I love him of course, but I'm struggling to remember when his magic really saved the day This reminds me of the time on the season 4 commentary* where doc and jackson talk about people disappointed by the orb reveal and then they say something like "Yes! It's a let down and every time we set up that kind of mystery it's going to be. That's what we do." *pretty sure. Probably the one with phantom limb and the shoe
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Maybe it's the real Zeus all pissed off we don't care about Zeus anymore?
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One thing I’ve been thinking a lot about is using your characters voices to define them and I think my chief “post-mortem” criticism of Venture Bros is that while I absolutely believe that all of the characters have pretty well defined personal voices, the entire series is soaked in this miasma of what I’ll call Whedonism, which is to say: Every character is constantly drawing from an identical pool of quippy pop-culture references. Basically I feel like all the characters have unique pathos and ideologies but they all have virtually identical senses of humor. Every reference is delivered in the same “whatever you say, Capt. Kangaroo!” off-the-cuff kinda of way so that it sounds more organic than it reads. Hatred’s Henry Darger reference is the exact same joke as hundreds of frank rhetorical deliveries before it. I’m not saying the show isn’t funny (IGNORE ME!), or that it doesn’t employ a wide variety of humor, but I am quite confident that if you took any 50 of the “you look like White Snake after a long divorce” type jokes, mixed them up in a hat and dumped them on a table, you wouldn’t be able to correctly identify which character is making the joke, despite them being from 20 different people, aged 14-85, from wildly different cultural and economic backgrounds. I guess maybe you can hand wave the entire thing away with “they all went to the same school” but it just feels more like they maybe write some of the jokes and just give them to whoever is talking without stopping to go “is this a band Hank would know anything about?” Again I’m not making GBS threads in the show, this is just something I noticed throughout the series and I’m finally putting words to.
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but know one knows where Hank gets his ideas, not even Hank! We can't even plan the nanites because they were in Dean.
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I thought the agreed theory is that hank's learning bed also had VH1 piped into it.
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Alan_Shore posted:They even had to retcon his powers, he started off as a necromancer then couldn't even bring back the boys or 20. He travelled throughout the afterlife, searching for the boys' souls, even to a layer of hell from the looks of it, and you call that "not-a-necromancer"?!
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Toby Huss was the best guest star on the show. I want answers before I finish this here geeyoucee box. Warnin’ I am turstee and it is frUUUUIIT punch and it is deeelicuous
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Mr. Nice! posted:I thought the agreed theory is that hank's learning bed also had VH1 piped into it. No that was the people in the basement that all thought they were named Rusty.
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LashLightning posted:He travelled throughout the afterlife, searching for the boys' souls, even to a layer of hell from the looks of it, and you call that "not-a-necromancer"?! He also said that all the other magic names are lame and Necromancer is basically all they have left so he uses it.
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reignofevil posted:This reminds me of the time on the season 4 commentary* where doc and jackson talk about people disappointed by the orb reveal and then they say something like "Yes! It's a let down and every time we set up that kind of mystery it's going to be. That's what we do." Ironically the Orb reveal is perfect! LashLightning posted:He travelled throughout the afterlife, searching for the boys' souls, even to a layer of hell from the looks of it, and you call that "not-a-necromancer"?! You actually have to raise the dead to be a necromancer! Me looking around a graveyard doesn't make me a necromancer! Bust Rodd posted:One thing I’ve been thinking a lot about is using your characters voices to define them and I think my chief “post-mortem” criticism of Venture Bros is that while I absolutely believe that all of the characters have pretty well defined personal voices, the entire series is soaked in this miasma of what I’ll call Whedonism, which is to say: Every character is constantly drawing from an identical pool of quippy pop-culture references. This is a fair criticism. shs posted:Venture Brothers is good and anyone who tries to take it away is bad YES EDIT: Oh yeah, I rewatched episode 1 last, it's weird how the Monarch's voice is just.... off. Go back and re-do it in classic Monarch style I say! Man, that sucked!
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Yeah the Pilot episode is all kinds of rough surreal stuff. Doc scared/pining for Brock, Brock being an rear end in a top hat that sleeps with Hookers and Billy & Pete just being jerks.Alan_Shore posted:So true! People saying "one last season", they could easily do another three! Honestly if VB is over over, I look forward to whatever project they will work on next. Maybe we'll get a slightly over the top fantastical animation loosely based on Hammer's musical career?
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The fact that I just cut my lunch in half with a serrated Wusthof specifically because it was a sandwich says that this show may have had an outsized role in my life.
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dick move warner brothers realllllll dick move countdown to some hbomax special in 2022 starts now I guess (if hbomax is a thing)
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pixaal posted:but know one knows where Hank gets his ideas, not even Hank! We can't even plan the nanites because they were in Dean. I love the scene in the courthouse where Brock says it’s like he talks to dead crazy people and even Hank thinks it might be a cry for help.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I love the scene in the courthouse where Brock says it’s like he talks to dead crazy people and even Hank thinks it might be a cry for help. there's pee pee on the floor!
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this whole little sequence is some of my favorite supernatural bullshit in the show. i love it when characters tone switch from semi-realistic to completely dramatic grandiose speech and then back again. orpheus and the monarch are both splendid for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emWVXgdsVI
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luxury handset posted:this whole little sequence is some of my favorite supernatural bullshit in the show. i love it when characters tone switch from semi-realistic to completely dramatic grandiose speech and then back again. orpheus and the monarch are both splendid for this "Knock it off ya idiot! Nobody wants you open a Door to Hell" is one of those great underrated lines that's always rattling around in my head. This whole episode is amazing and it's a shame we never really get to see much more supernatural stuff in the show; there's still so much untapped potential there that we haven't seen. We never even got to see Orpheus' new pad with the Dr Strange window!
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