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I'm sure others have read more Dredd than me and have more in depth recs (whatever volumes contain Cursed Earth and Judge Death), but I really enjoyed Dredd v. Aliens and Dredd v. Uthor fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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Uthor posted:I'm sure others have read more Dredd than me and have more in depth recs (whatever volumes contain Cursed Earth and Judge Death), but I really enjoyed Dredd v. Aliens and Dredd v. Punisher. I imagine Frank's dynamic with Dredd is similar to the dynamic he has with Daredevil.
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Aug 2, 2020 00:28
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side_burned posted:I imagine Frank's dynamic with Dredd is similar to the dynamic he has with Daredevil. Okay, I totally meant Predator. Freudian slip!
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Aug 2, 2020 00:36
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Bummer I was gonna look for that dredd v punisher book
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Aug 2, 2020 00:40
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Is Chris Priest's run on Desthstroke good?
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Aug 2, 2020 00:51
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site posted:Bummer I was gonna look for that dredd v punisher book And I wasn't trying to be funny, honestly I would suspect Franks attitude toward Dredd being similar his attitude toward Matt, since both are part of the  justice system.
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Are the Cerebus comics good or have a good arc to jump into? Also, the Wikipedia page says that the later comics feature the creator's "controversial beliefs" and I was wondering what that's about.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Are the Cerebus comics good or have a good arc to jump into? Also, the Wikipedia page says that the later comics feature the creator's "controversial beliefs" and I was wondering what that's about. Cerebus is good up to a point. What that point is, depends on you. Personally, I'd quit after Jaka's Story, but some people bail out as early as Church and State. If you want to read Cerebus, I'd apply the same rule as the Dune books --- read until you start feeling dissatisfied, and then stop, because it's not going to be getting any better if you push on. That said, if I'd known when I started reading Cerebus what Sim's, ahem, controversial beliefs were, I would have chosen not to put money in his pocket in the first place. Sim is loudly and proudly misogynist. Not just anti-feminist -- he genuinely loving hates women and sees them as emotional and intellectual vampires who latch onto men and suck out their brains (because they haven't got any of their own, you see). Go read his "Tangent" essay, which is dotted with charming phrases like "the feminist-homosexualist axis," if you must learn more. Selachian fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 05:07
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the feminist-homosexualist axis is the name of our discord
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Sep 11, 2020 05:10
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Are the Cerebus comics good or have a good arc to jump into? Also, the Wikipedia page says that the later comics feature the creator's "controversial beliefs" and I was wondering what that's about. Skip the first volume, you can read it later if you really want to. I love Cerebus but I stopped after Jaka's Story and yeah, get it from the library instead of buying it if possible.
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Sep 11, 2020 05:18
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I loved Cerebus, the art is amazing, I think it's worth looking at the craftsmanship even after Sim goes all misogynist in the text, and I've given him a lot of money in my time. His cartooning is great, his lettering is world class, and Gerhard is a hell of a draftsman. And he can be wickedly funny. All that said, beg, borrow, or It's beyond the misogyny and the persecution complex, but also him working with Comics Gate and making a public apology for taking a 14 year old across state lines (or whatever the Canadian equivalent is). Sim being committed to openness and honesty makes it very easy to find him owning up to all these things. If you do read it, High Society is a step above the first volume, so start there.
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Sep 11, 2020 05:37
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Also, the Wikipedia page says that the later comics feature the creator's "controversial beliefs" and I was wondering what that's about. 
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Sep 11, 2020 06:01
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This is the only time you will here me say this, if you want to read Cerebus then you should just pirate it because Sims deserves no financial support. But honestly knowing what we know now I wouldn't bother with it at all even that way.
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Sep 11, 2020 17:35
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The first Cerebus volume is good if you want to watch someone go from an okay artist to a great artist. It’s really something to watch unfold.
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Sep 11, 2020 18:49
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I have a stack of the books from about 100 - 150 and haven’t ever gotten around to it. I see the phone books go up on kijiji on a fairly regular basis and one of these days I’ll buy them. The art is pretty exceptional and I’m willing to look at it for that alone. I don’t always need to read the comics I look at.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:00
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Are the Cerebus comics good or have a good arc to jump into? Also, the Wikipedia page says that the later comics feature the creator's "controversial beliefs" and I was wondering what that's about. Dave Sim? Controversial? Thanks for giving me an excuse to post this infamous interview. It starts with the interviewer asking a silly question and delves into barely restrained spite from the first answer onwards.
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Sep 14, 2020 17:13
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So I've been reading some comics lately, and I'm looking for some recommendations for after I finish The Boys. I've never really been a comics fan but the ones I've enjoyed in the past are The Boys The old Conan the Barbarian comics from the 70s-80s-90s The old Judge Dredd comics from the 80s, with the mcdonalds army, Judge Death, etc etc. Loved those, probably my favorites Transmetropolitan (fine, but didn't hold up on repeat reading as an adult compared to when I was a teenager) Y: The Last Man (enjoyed it as a teen but haven't read it since, so I'm not sure) Preacher (same as transmet, but still enjoyable) also, the 2000ad / Heavy Metal collections on the internet archive and various other places, those were probably my favorite comics ever, actually, though certain Dredd ones were a close competitor Anyone have any other recommendations along these lines? I once tried to read The Walking Dead but it felt interminable and I quit around 60 issues in or something
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Oct 6, 2020 14:05
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For more Garth Ennis, check out his run on Punisher. It's tough to recommend Warren Ellis, but his writing's top notch, so Google him first and then maybe try Authority and Planetary. For some solid crime noir, Brubaker's Sleeper and Criminal. Also, I recommend this fantasy series to everyone: Monstress.
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Oct 6, 2020 16:25
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Have you read Slaine? I've only ever read The Horned God and it was amazing even though fantasy isn't my cup of tea. https://smile.amazon.com/Slaine-Horned-God-Pat-Mills/dp/1907519742/ref=sr_1_2 I've only read bits and pieces, but I feel you'd like Grendel. https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/20-326/Grendel-Omnibus-Volume-1-Hunter-Rose-TPB Dark Horse had a lot of retellings of Conan stories that I liked when I was reading them. They started off by Kurt Busiek and Cary Nord (I dropped off after they left). https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/13-029/Conan-Volume-1-The-Frost-Giants-Daughter-and-other-stories-TPB East of West https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/east-of-west
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Oct 6, 2020 16:27
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Frog Act posted:So I've been reading some comics lately, and I'm looking for some recommendations for after I finish The Boys. I've never really been a comics fan but the ones I've enjoyed in the past are Since you like Y The Last Man and Heavy Metal, definitely try Saga, by Y writer Brian K. Vaughan and artist Fiona Staples. It's extremely imaginative sci-fi, but it's also a family drama at its core. It has a lot of heart, and it will often break your heart. Since you're okay with some gross stuff and dark humor, of course I'm going to recommend Chew, by John Layman and Rob Guillory. It's an action/crime/horror/sci-fi/comedy set in a food-obsessed world, where many characters have food-related super powers. But there's a lot of world-building, character development, and epic shake-ups to the status quo. Since you like antiheroes, try The Fix by Nick Spencer and Steve Lieber. It's an often-violent buddy comedy about two extremely corrupt and barely competent cops who aren't exactly buddies. And if you can stand brightly-colored superheroes, try Superior Foes of Spider-Man, by the same team. It's about bumbling C-list Marvel supervillains trying to punch above their weight class. Uthor posted:I've only read bits and pieces, but I feel you'd like Grendel. lifg posted:It's tough to recommend Warren Ellis, but his writing's top notch, so Google him first and then maybe try Authority and Planetary. I agree with these. Matt Wagner's Hunter Rose stories are the best Grendel stories, so that Grendel Omnibus Volume 1 is the ideal place to jump in. There are multiple Grendels and vastly different settings and tones for their stories. I'll always go to bat for Brubaker's crime noir. Sleeper is my favorite, although it was set in the Wildstorm Universe (which is now folded into DC continuity, but I don't think it has been referenced by anyone else since Sleeper ended). There is a Sleeper prequel called Point Blank, which should also be required reading, despite the artist being Colin Wilson, not Brubaker's usual collaborator Sean Phillips. I think other people like Brubaker's Criminal more than I, and I read all of Fatale but didn't love it. I do, however, love Incognito, The Fade Out, and Pulp (a single graphic novel that came out this year). And even though Warren Ellis has been revealed as a sex creep, which makes me think of all of his work very differently, I can't help it -- I still love Planetary. Authority, not so much, but I was over it long before we learned about Ellis. I just think his Stormwatch and Authority, which seemed so cutting-edge 20 years ago, have aged somewhat poorly. But Frog Act would also like Ellis' Global Frequency, which should scratch that 2000AD/Heavy Metal itch. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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If you like The Boys you should absolutely read Preacher by the same author author. Also Garth Ennis' run on Hellblazer (you don't really need to read the rest of it first) the first TPB of that is called Dangerous Habits.
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Oct 6, 2020 18:41
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They literally said they read Preacher and felt it didn't hold up as an adult.
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Oct 6, 2020 19:59
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Endless Mike posted:They literally said they read Preacher and felt it didn't hold up as an adult. Somehow missed that, stand by the Hellblazer, it probably holds up better than anything else Garth Ennis has written.
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I just read through Hitman for the first time and it holds up for the most part. It's a lot more restrained than his other stuff
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Oct 6, 2020 20:32
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Oct 6, 2020 20:40
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I would recommend Sweet Tooth if you want something post apocalyptic, strong damaged men making strong damaged men and such. Also its about 6 issues in but Goddamned by Jason Aaron is also a hell wasteland world with bastards (well not really) doing very gory angry stuff to one another.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:02
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Madkal posted:Also its about 6 issues in but Goddamned by Jason Aaron is also a hell wasteland world with bastards (well not really) doing very gory angry stuff to one another. Technically it's 7 issues in - the original 5 issues, and the 2 in the current Virgin Brides mini (with three left). I have the feeling they're just going to do minis now and then rather than keeping an ongoing numbering given that the last issue came out like four years ago.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:09
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site posted:if you like awful, super problematic comics try crossed If your doing that read Bomb Queen first.
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Washout posted:If your doing that read Bomb Queen first. Bomb Queen is basically just bad, Crossed is an insane mishmash of mostly terrible but I enjoyed the Moore and Spurrier runs. If you like Heavy Metal they published a mini called Fluorescent Black, my memory of it is extremely positive. I'll second East of West and the Busiek Conan (didn't care for the Nord as much). Glory by Joe Kelly would probably line up with some of the Heavy Metal.
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Zachack posted:If you like Heavy Metal they published a mini called Fluorescent Black, my memory of it is extremely positive. Fluorescent Black was pretty dope. Prophet, too!
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Oct 7, 2020 04:49
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You could read Rick Veitch’s Brat Pack and Maximortal for more super hero deconstruction. Also for some reason my phone autocorrects Veitch to crotch, which seems appropriate.
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Oct 7, 2020 12:31
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There is also Marshal Law which is kind of a proto-Judge Dredd meets the Boys. If you want bleak cynicism, superheroes as fascist perverts and some fun art from the guy who did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen you might like that.
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I appreciate all the recommendations! I'm gonna check out Saga, Chew, Global Frequency, and Maximortal and see what I settle on after The Boys. I forgot to add that I actually read Marshal Law awhile ago and absolutely loved it. Stuff from the 80s-90s in particular really seems to do it for me, but my comics experience is really limited so I'm looking forward to reading some of these that I've never heard of. I was watching a streaming site with random episodes and the old x-men cartoon from when I was a child in the early 90s came on and it got me wondering, are there any "good" X-Men comics that would appeal to someone who has been enjoying the stuff I've mentioned thus far? I remember reading them when I was a kid and they were for sale in grocery stores and stuff but I can't imagine they're the kind of thing I'd enjoy as an adult, really, but also suspect there probably are some in the X-men universe that might be slightly less generic or whatever? ed: also if anyone has any recommendations for like, cyberpunk stuff in the vein of Dredd or, slightly differently, hard science fiction stuff with Clarke esque vibes, I'd be interested in those too Frog Act fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Oct 7, 2020 17:30
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Frog Act posted:I appreciate all the recommendations! I'm gonna check out Saga, Chew, Global Frequency, and Maximortal and see what I settle on after The Boys. I forgot to add that I actually read Marshal Law awhile ago and absolutely loved it. Stuff from the 80s-90s in particular really seems to do it for me, but my comics experience is really limited so I'm looking forward to reading some of these that I've never heard of. Another title I should mention is Tokyo Ghost which is a cyber punk dystopian book about technology and stuff. It's only 12 issues but should scratch the itch you have. As for X-Men I would recommend Age of Apocalypse as an amazing X-Men event, again with crazy dystopian vibes.
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It's not really similar to The Boys but most of the 90s X-Men cartoons were based on the Claremont run. It's some of my favorite comics and there's no crossovers for the first decade worth of comics. There's a lot of purple prose and sometimes feels dated, but it's probably one of the most influential superhero books post Silver Age. Actually, you might like Grant Morrison's New X-Men run, it's got a sorta cyberpunk vibe and is also crossover free.
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Thanks! I've made a list of everything recommended here and I'm starting in on it with Saga. I just finished The Boys and I actually think the ending was really good, especially that there was no grand confrontation between Butcher and Huey, and it all shook out as a result of their sense of obligation to one another so I'm looking forward to more general good comics. I just finished the first book of Saga and even though some of it felt a little non-sequitor, the giant alligator butler was enough to keep me going to the end and now I think I'm gonna go through this next.
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I'm so glad you liked Saga enough to continue it! Other things you might enjoy: Outer Darkness - a sci-fi/horror book about the dysfunctional crew of a starship powered by an imprisoned demon god, set in a universe full of cosmic horrors. If you like the Alien movies and Event Horizon (and I know Heavy Metal has mashed up plenty of sci-fi and horror), you'll probably like it. Sadly, it was canceled recently, after two TPBs and a crossover miniseries with Chew (John Layman wrote both series). Grendel: War Child - post-apocalyptic action, sci-fi, fantasy, and horror with some Lone Wolf and Cub influence, about a deadly cyborg warrior protecting a child as they travel a dangerous world. Very different from the earlier Grendel stories about Hunter Rose. This should feel like 2000 AD and Heavy Metal too. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Oct 7, 2020 19:34
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Frog Act posted:Stuff from the 80s-90s in particular really seems to do it for me, but my comics experience is really limited so I'm looking forward to reading some of these that I've never heard of. If your okay with goth or horror, I'd recommend Sandman and Swamp Thing, respectively. X-Men: Age of Apocalypse and Morrison's New X-Men are great. There's been a huge status quo change recently and House of X/Powers of X is a great jumping on point for modern stuff.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I'm so glad you liked Saga enough to continue it! Uthor posted:If your okay with goth or horror, I'd recommend Sandman and Swamp Thing, respectively. Very cool, just added this stuff to my list because all of the sound up my alley. It took me about five days on and off reading while working from home to get through The Boys so I'll start exploring these once I finish Saga, which is already grabbing me because I'm a major sucker for a creative but still largely internally consistent universe.
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I'm a fan of Damian Wayne and read a lot of stuff with him before i just fell out of comics to deal with life. Now that i have time I'm not sure what to read next(if anything). I read the following and enjoyed them: Batman by Grant Morrison Batman and Robin (the new 52 run) Robin: Son of Batman Super Sons (Peter J Tomasi) Has there been any good comics with Damian Wayne in them that have been released since these titles? Alternatively is there anything I've missed that's worth going back to? I know he was in the Teen Titans but I've avoided that as the last Titans runs i've read were dire.
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