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TK-42-1 posted:His whole spiel about preying on their fear and moving like an animal to feel the kill is so good. Like dudes a legit psycho when he gets ramped up and still somehow has a heart of gold. The Scuba bit is still one of my favorite exchanges in the show
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TK-42-1 posted:His whole spiel about preying on their fear and moving like an animal to feel the kill is so good. Like dudes a legit psycho when he gets ramped up and still somehow has a heart of gold. Brock Samson's whole thing is a Race Bannon riff, but feels like the general deal is an exaggeration of a pulp man's man in general, the idea of a Duncan Idaho type badass bodyguard who wrecks generic henchmen all day taken to the point of being a slasher movie monster.
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Sep 11, 2020 02:55
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but still a good dad, even if they aren't his own kids
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Sep 11, 2020 02:56
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Brock Samson's whole thing is a Race Bannon riff, but feels like the general deal is an exaggeration of a pulp man's man in general, the idea of a Duncan Idaho type badass bodyguard who wrecks generic henchmen all day taken to the point of being a slasher movie monster. Now I want endless Brock clones
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Sep 11, 2020 03:10
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:Now I want endless Brock clones It even has precedent! And now I want the series to end on a timeskip to God-Emperor Dean, ruler of the Galactic Guild of Calamitous Intent, activating his thousandth Brock clone.
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Sep 11, 2020 03:19
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It even has precedent! This sounds way more interesting than the actual boring new Dune remake.
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Sep 11, 2020 03:43
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I love how Jonas jr just called him Super Kill Guy
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Sep 11, 2020 03:46
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Slayer of men...slayer of heeench-men......
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Sep 11, 2020 03:52
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What did I do? What did yooooou do?
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Sep 11, 2020 03:54
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This is just... wrong, Doc, even for you! And of course, there's that bit of text beneath my avatar.
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Sep 11, 2020 03:57
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6leisjxacQ
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It even has precedent! 
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Sep 11, 2020 06:09
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I say “mournful” when something looks droopy because of this show
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Brock Samson's whole thing is a Race Bannon riff, but feels like the general deal is an exaggeration of a pulp man's man in general, the idea of a Duncan Idaho type badass bodyguard who wrecks generic henchmen all day taken to the point of being a slasher movie monster. "Agh! It was horrifying! His calf rolled up like a window shade!"
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Sep 11, 2020 07:43
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And I'd completely forgotten about that episode. I love how Doc tries to be dramatic about it but no one is fooled that it's anything but another day at the office.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:51
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"Well fine! Thanks for not helping!" "Uh huh. Is there anything else I can help you with?" "HELP ME FIND DEAD PEOPLE!"
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Sep 11, 2020 09:18
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Eat the pennies quizboy... Just eat the goddammit pennies Billy!
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Sep 11, 2020 09:34
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multijoe posted:Eat the pennies quizboy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34gATGTDp38
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Sep 11, 2020 09:40
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Pete is such a bad friend
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Sep 11, 2020 09:46
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Yeah Pete, like most characters on the show, is a charismatic but horrible person
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Sep 11, 2020 09:50
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Pete is basically Rusty but with less talent and more social skills. And life skills.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Yeah Pete, like most characters on the show, is a charismatic but horrible person I mean who here hasn't volunteered their young friend to an underground quiz off with dog mauling as a penalty for failure? He saw the Bauhaus when he was your age!
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean who here hasn't volunteered their young friend to an underground quiz off with dog mauling as a penalty for failure? I thought White just didn't understand the guy and sold Billie to an underground dog fighting ring proving what a massive rear end in a top hat he was. The only reason White is nice to Billie is he feels bad and responsible for Billie losing the arm. I think White might be one of the worst people in the show, he wipes Billies memory of all the horrible poo poo he's done. At least the OSI is using it to be secretive or something vaguely misguided but intended as noble.
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Sep 11, 2020 14:32
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I love that OSI doesn't even bother wiping Pete's memory because, what is he going to do?
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Sep 11, 2020 15:07
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Doesn't even flush half the time.
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Sep 11, 2020 15:17
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White telling Billy he doesn’t want to see his poop no matter how big it is shines such a great light on that relationship with just one line. “You’re here to steal our great ideas. Jokes on you: we have none.”
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Sep 11, 2020 15:17
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A small but maybe important detail is that Pete is found sitting on his stoop heavily sunburnt when the OSI drops Billy off- implies a suicide attempt for a sunlight-sensitive albino living in New Mexico. He's got just enough of a conscience that he's easy to push around.
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Sep 11, 2020 15:20
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It's like White wants to play the bad guy but can't actually do it.
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Sep 11, 2020 15:23
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I never realized that White was basically just Doc Hammer’s self insert before seeing his avatar on a that Facebook post
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Bust Rodd posted:I never realized that White was basically just Doc Hammer’s self insert before seeing his avatar on a that Facebook post White is Jackson's impression of Doc. Likewise Billie is Doc's impression of Jackson. Similarly Watch and Ward are both them trying to do Megatron.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I love that OSI doesn't even bother wiping Pete's memory because, what is he going to do? "White, you lazy bastard! If you had even an ounce of that little boy's moxie, I'd be cleaning you like a toilet seat!"
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Sep 11, 2020 16:41
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VB had two separate "...is that man dead?" jokes and they're both great, be it Venturestein or The Ghost Pirate Rules.
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Sep 11, 2020 18:15
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I like White and want him to get better. Same - especially - for Rusty. And I like how Rusty has, in bits and pieces, become both a better father and a better person than he was early on. Even if he's still, you know, Rusty. I think the only character they've ever shown - and rightly - to be a complete monster with no redeeming - non-superficial - qualities in Jonas. Jonas is just a complete monster and the depiction of his and Rusty's relationship is really a way more raw and realistic depiction of child abuse and the scars it leaves than a lot more serious shows manage. ..You know, the cartoon comedy show and where the relationship in question is between James Bond by way of Doc Savage and his son who's basically Johnny Quest.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I like White and want him to get better. Same - especially - for Rusty. And I like how Rusty has, in bits and pieces, become both a better father and a better person than he was early on. Even if he's still, you know, Rusty. The thing I enjoy about Jonas is that he seems to really believe he is a good father and goes out of his way to do things that he imagines a good father does despite his general negligence and narcissism. Like in Ghosts of the Sargasso when Rusty wanders up to the deck half-awake and wonders what's going on as he watches an old family friend burn up on reentry and die horribly, Jonas suppresses his sadness and tells him that he's dreaming in what is for the period a fatherly way, even though that obviously is the wrong thing to do and obviously hosed Rusty up. He definitely makes excuses for his negligence and has no idea what a child actually needs or what would harm him, but he would probably say that he loves Rusty and cares what happens to him. EDIT: it's what I like about how Doc and Jackson developed the character, I should say.
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He's a classic narcissistic parent who sees his kid as basically an extension of himself imo
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I still don’t think there’s really any room to paint Jonas as a good or loving father. He’s a serial narcissist and his tending of Rusty is, to me, explicitly shown to be in order to curate how Rusty reflects on Jonas, not out of any paternal drive to develop a relationship with his son. It’s not even a case of “Jonas was a good dad and loved me in his own way”, it’s just an incredibly selfish and self-absorbed person who hires a team of unqualified baby sitters to take care of things for him.
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Yeah. Rusty, for his many, many, many failings as a person and as a father, does clearly genuinely love the boys. Jonas didn't/doesn't love Rusty, and clearly only cared about Rusty insofar as appearances and whatnot. Classic sociopath/narcissist behavior. If he ever did anything genuinely loving for Rusty it would be because he loved how Rusty made him feel, not because he loved Rusty. Rusty's probably still a bad person by most reasonable metrics, even considering the baggage he was saddled with, but Jonas is basically a full on monster.
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Lots of people think they are good parents and are terrible parents that in no way should have been allowed to raise a kid. Jonas just believes he can do no wrong and because he did it it makes it perfect, because he's Jonas! Of course he raised the perfect son! Because Jonas is perfect!
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I dunno, the Jonas stuff is also filtered directly through Rusty's POV. I would have agreed entirely before season 7, except that the way Team Venture talked about Jonas was drastically different and more nuanced than they are all presented getting along with Jonas in previous flashbacks. That being said I definitely think Jonas was massively hosed up and abusive to Rusty and rightfully the key villain of the show, I just feel like there's a 10% that's been withheld from us that explains why the guy was so beloved and why his friends were so loyal despite seeing his hosed up side. This is the last show that would present someone as completely and entirely irredeemable.
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From what little we got of Rusty's musical the drat thing is such an ear worm.
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