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Real hurthling! posted:just only plant those pine trees i guess They should make the homes out of the same stuff the pine trees are made of!
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tater_salad posted:They should make the homes out of the same stuff the pine trees are made of! 
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Sep 11, 2020 19:30
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Lacrosse posted:So when do we switch to building houses with stucco walls and terra cotta tiles for the roof? These timber framed houses are basically made of matchsticks at this point. No half measures. DOME HOUSE:  Fire proof, wind proof monolithic dome house!
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Real hurthling! posted:just only plant those pine trees i guess Yeah no seriously just take cuttings and clone the gently caress outta those bing bong indeed
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Sep 11, 2020 19:31
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Accretionist posted:No half measures.  
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Lacrosse posted:So when do we switch to building houses with stucco walls and terra cotta tiles for the roof? These timber framed houses are basically made of matchsticks at this point. wood houses are the safest for the Big One so lolll
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Sep 11, 2020 19:38
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I wonder how a cob house would handle an earthquake. It would probably crack but would it catastrophically fail?
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Sep 11, 2020 19:42
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No house needs to be flammable or weak to earthquakes or weak to wind. All are victims to capitalism, the only system where being cheap is a virtue.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:45
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Like you'd prefer a stick frame house:  I mean good lord
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Sep 11, 2020 19:46
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Lol, nothing like waking up to find a cool soup of white fog blanketing the city, such aesthetic, wait no thats all loving smoke and my lungs hurt. Shouldnt have slept with the windows open
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Sep 11, 2020 19:47
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silicone thrills posted:I wonder how a cob house would handle an earthquake. It would probably crack but would it catastrophically fail? I saw a tweet thread that I can't find again about a building technique used in some ancient cob structures to make them earthquake resistant. The foundation of these buildings was made of loose rocks stuffed inside woven net bags, which acted as a shock absorber similar to how they build skyscrapers today to resist earthquakes. It was really interesting and I'm upset I can't find it.
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Fuligin posted:Lol, nothing like waking up to find a cool soup of white fog blanketing the city, such aesthetic, wait no thats all loving smoke and my lungs hurt. Shouldnt have slept with the windows open the first night of the fires here in Eugene when they went from .5 to 11 I left all my windows open and there was a fine layer of ash covering everything.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:51
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all house bow before GROVERHAÜS king of houses
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Accretionist posted:Like you'd prefer a stick frame house: No fires in the Great Dismal Swamp. Really makes u think 
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Sep 11, 2020 19:55
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ive been brain storming a solution to our problem here, what if we just destroy the weather?
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Why do people keep trying to live in these investment vehicles?
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Fuligin posted:Lol, nothing like waking up to find a cool soup of white fog blanketing the city, such aesthetic, wait no thats all loving smoke and my lungs hurt. Shouldnt have slept with the windows open Things look so much better today, there's no yellow tint at all! *checks API: 208* well gently caress I remember the first day of the Tubbs fire in 2017, going out for an hour long walk to get a mask despite it looks like the apocalypse and visible particles of ash everywhere, then coming home and being like "Why am I sneezing constantly? Why do I feel like poo poo?" If I get lung cancer any time in the next decade, I'll know exactly why. Giga Gaia posted:ive been brain storming a solution to our problem here, what if we just destroy the weather? *nods sagely* Nature can't kill you if you kill yourself first. Random Asshole has issued a correction as of 20:03 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:01
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https://twitter.com/FBIPortland/status/1304485033210769409?s=19 You know poo poo's crazy when the FBI is trying to calm fears about leftist terrorists. Judging by the comments it's far too late to get a handle on this story though
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HelloSailorSign posted:Yeah I really don’t want to know if it’s got racist undertones or something. It's Tchotchke, coming from a slavic word for trinket and then adopted into yiddish by jews and imported to america starting with new york. So you're probably good on that one.
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Giga Gaia posted:ive been brain storming a solution to our problem here, what if we just destroy the weather? good idea, we can call it climate change 2
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silicone thrills posted:I wonder how a cob house would handle an earthquake. It would probably crack but would it catastrophically fail? Uh, it would depend but it probably wouldn't fai catastrophically. You can have reinforced cob (wood fibers, bamboo, etc) which gives tensile strength and more resistant to straight failure. It's also a fairly light-weight structure so the momentum and natural period of them is fairly favorable, that said you wouldn't want them more than 1-story without better reinforcing material. A Dome-shape is also very favorable to stress distribution which is partly why they're even so stable as it is. So an actual 1story cob-dome building with reinforcing material would be comparable to any regular house seismic-wise. But like I said you really wouldn't want to do more than 1 to 1.5-stories, and ideally keeping a rounded design. Xaris has issued a correction as of 20:39 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:36
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Loving the 581 and 527, taking years off your life every time you open a door or window.
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*AQI scouter explodes* EUGENE, Ore. - An air quality index of 151 or higher for particulate matter is considered Unhealthy. 201 to 300 is Very Unhealthy. From 301 to 500 is considered Hazardous. "Values above 500 are considered Beyond the AQI. Follow recommendations for the Hazardous category," according to the EPA. Air quality measurements in Western Oregon have exceeded the 500 mark often since Labor Day. The primary pollutant from wildfires is particulate matter, measured in micrograms per cubic meter). These are particles 30 times smaller that the diameter of human hair. Air monitors measure how many of these particles are in a cubic meter and convert them to a value on Air Quality Index. Lane County’s air has exceeded the Air Quality Index top value of 500 many times. So how far beyond the AQI have we gone? Thursday night Cottage Grove recorded 807 micrograms per cubic meter, well beyond the upper limits of the AQI. And a particle measurement of nearly 1,000? That's Florence on Wednesday night, as the measure for tiny dangerous bits of pollution known as PM 2.5 - particular matter smaller than 2.5 nanometers - crested 975. By comparison, Eugene and Springfield have seen particulate matter measurements above 500 this week, with the exception of the monitor in the Santa Clara neighborhood. The highest reading there? Still a Hazardous measure just shy of 485, g/m3, which converts to 490 on the Air Quality Index, according to LRAPA. A review of data by LRAPA analysts found that air pollution in Eugene hit its highest levels since nephelometering began in 1985 - and was even worse than 2017, when the Deception Complex of fires polluted the air. And beyond the dramatic spike, Cottage Grove set an all-time high of 516 micrograms per cubic meter for 24-hour measurement of PM 2.5, the hazardous pollutant in wildfire smoke. The data from Lane Regional Air Protection Agency air monitors demonstrates the impact wildfires have had on Western Oregon air quality this week. “These numbers are extreme, but not surprising considering how close and how big the Holiday Farm Fire is," Travis Knudsen with LRAPA said. "With our air as poor as it is, it’s important everyone limit all outdoor exposure as much as possible. Keep windows and doors closed. Seal any place air may be getting into your home. We’re waiting for a major weather pattern shift before we see any relief from the smoke. One may arrive early next week if the forecast doesn’t change, until then our air won’t see much improvement.” Unusual east winds both fanned the flames into conflagrations - and flooded Western Oregon with wildfire smoke. Air quality is expected to remain a problem through at least Monday in Western Oregon, even as a shift in the wind begins to move the smoke. The smoke has pooled over the Pacific Ocean - and will begin to make its way north through Washington. Central and Eastern Oregon are expected to see diminished air quality in the coming days, too.
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aqi here is 318, i've had a headache since wednesday when the smoke first arrived and now i am having horrid allergy problems as well. also last time we had this much smoke was in 2018 and i ended up getting pneumonia, which was a nightmare. i need to get my rear end back to upstate new york asap gently caress this place.
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SpudCat posted:https://twitter.com/FBIPortland/status/1304485033210769409?s=19 This is like the one thing I go to bat to the FBI for but they have actually been decent whenever it comes up in reports that white, right wing militas and extremists are the primary concern. And every time they do this they get yelled at by the right and told to do another report, and they do and either leak the truth or write the same thing lol Other than that they are super garbage.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:If you want to move somewhere cheap with all 4 seasons, good outdoor recreation, and very little exposure to immediate climate devastation West Virginia has everything that the Midwest has and more. you'd better not be comparing minnihopelis to saint perfect
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PawParole posted:you'd better not be comparing minnihopelis to saint perfect I will not say what places I am referring to and will allow the reader to assume I’m insulting their favorite city and praising their rival.
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Xaris posted:Uh, it would depend but it probably wouldn't fai catastrophically. You can have reinforced cob (wood fibers, bamboo, etc) which gives tensile strength and more resistant to straight failure. It's also a fairly light-weight structure so the momentum and natural period of them is fairly favorable, that said you wouldn't want them more than 1-story without better reinforcing material. A Dome-shape is also very favorable to stress distribution which is partly why they're even so stable as it is. So an actual 1story cob-dome building with reinforcing material would be comparable to any regular house seismic-wise. But like I said you really wouldn't want to do more than 1 to 1.5-stories, and ideally keeping a rounded design. There's been a bit of a trend of building cob homes in the PNW on sort of commune style land and doing it pretty traditional with a big group party thing and everyone doing the mud stomping thing. Its pretty neat. They're so temp stable plus they have stood for hundreds of years in places that build them traditionally. Glad to hear they'd probably survive a quake.
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hmm maybe they’re onto something. we should burn new york city to appease the climate gods and save our forests
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buckle up! https://twitter.com/WBRZweather/status/1304525038809382917?s=20
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silicone thrills posted:There's been a bit of a trend of building cob homes in the PNW on sort of commune style land and doing it pretty traditional with a big group party thing and everyone doing the mud stomping thing. Its pretty neat. They're so temp stable plus they have stood for hundreds of years in places that build them traditionally. Glad to hear they'd probably survive a quake. There's a chunk of land on the coast I want to buy and build a cob hut on for use as a camping shelter. I'm legit interested in building one, and I think the building codes in rural areas are pretty lax about letting you use cob.
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Lacrosse posted:There's a chunk of land on the coast I want to buy and build a cob hut on for use as a camping shelter. I'm legit interested in building one, and I think the building codes in rural areas are pretty lax about letting you use cob. hell if you're in a rural area, gently caress it just do it. technically there's a carve out in a lot of code for like <200sq ft buildings that "aren't inhabited" anyways. usually it's a statewide code with local variations (usually stricter). but like I said what I would suggest is reinforcing cob with either heavy outer and inner meshing/geogrids/or bamboo with lapping. depending on the ground conditions, I would also probably recommend removing the first 2-3 ft of subgrade and replacing either with existing or fill with a plate compactor rental and doing it in 6-inch lifts. not sure how crazy you want to get with resilience or how big you want to do it or how much money you want to spend Xaris has issued a correction as of 23:00 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:so exactly how much CO2 are these wildfires giving off and how do they compare to one individual person trying their best to reduce their individual consumption these trees are part of the zero-sum carbon cycle. human consumption is releasing fossil fuel CO2 that was locked away from the carbon cycle.
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